I quit without notice

[The Doom & Gloom]

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Worked for one of the big retail chains.
I quit without notice.
It came to a point where either I get terminated or I quit. So I made the first call and quit.
Luckily, I don't have any loans, and I come from a well-to-do family; I don't have much financial burden.

I had so much anxiety when I put in my 0-day notice that I couldn't sleep until 6 AM.
After I woke from a short 2-hour nap, I thought my phone would be on fire and the world burned down to hell-- but to my surprise, all I got was one text that says "did you find coverage?"

Yea,
I will be doing some part-time gigs for now. But first, leaving to Europe in 3-days and plan on staying there for a couple weeks. I ll think about what I will do with my life after I come back.

I burned all bridges, but I will have no regret. I hated that company so much.

 

[WVUPharm2007]

Cool story, bro.

 

[Rukn]

I quit yesterday as well

 

[deleted820760]

all I got was one text that says "did you find coverage?"

They expected you to get coverage when you quit?

 

[croquemonsieur]

Some rich brat quit his/her job and is taking a trip to Europe to clear their head and figure s&%! out. This is the least sympathetic post ever. Please punch yourself. Thanks.

 

[gwarm01]

They expected you to get coverage when you quit?

They can expect whatever they want 😉

I would have given two weeks, but whatever floats your boat. Enjoy the trip.

 

[SmallCapPharma]

Some rich brat quit his/her job and is taking a trip to Europe to clear their head and figure s&%! out. This is the least sympathetic post ever. Please punch yourself. Thanks.

Lmfao..

Can you imagine someone who grew up with a silver spoon working at cvs? Bahahaha


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[rph3664]

I had to do that with my last (final?) pharmacist job. The job had stressed me out to the point where I had to go to the ER, and lost about 15 pounds in less than a month. I realized that if I worked there one more day, I would be a patient in that hospital, and that wouldn't do anybody any good.

Thinking about it was worse than actually doing it. My manager had no idea that I was that unhappy, although he was there when I found myself having to go to the ER, and he just had the saddest look on his face when I came in to turn in my keys and badge. I found out later that about 2 months later, he left that job; I don't think my departure had anything to do with it, however.

There are a few situation where it's OK to quit without notice, or even advisable to do so:

1. Your physical and/or mental health is in immediate jeopardy. See above.

2. You aren't getting paid.

3. You are expected to violate the law or work without reasonable or mandatory safety accommodations. Sexual and other forms of harassment would fall under this category.

I'm sure there are others; these are the ones that immediately come to mind.

 

[ornithoptor]

Thanks for sharing your story. There are some sarcastic responses, but what they failed to understand is that how much courage it take to make such decision even if you are well off.

Of course, most of us do not have the luxury to follow your path. We likely would have the need to find something first before we leave current job in this economy and market.

However, let this be the inspirations to thousands of pharmacist who need to make a stand. Quitting or not, you need to put your patients first, not corporate bottom line. Yes, they pay your salary, but simply following orders is not the way to go. We are highly educated professional who can think independently, yet some of us are allowing ourselves to be taken advantages or abused especially under retail setting.

Thanks for taking a stand!





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[rph3664]

It was a year and a half before I found myself going to bed and realized that I hadn't thought about it all day. I knew my co-workers had long forgotten me but I hadn't forgotten about it. It was not a decision made lightly; I had moved less than a year earlier for this job, in an area where I knew absolutely nobody, and was starting to make friends in the community (I'm still on Facebook with several of them) and get established there.

Several people told me, in so many words, "I have to work because of my kids." I know that, and if I had children (I don't), I would need to be healthy so I could take care of them.

After I quit and before I moved back to my hometown, one of the maintenance guys for the housing complex where I was living told me that he'd had to do something similar a few years earlier. He had a job that paid $90K a year (don't know what) and after his 3rd heart attack, the doctors all said, "You will not be going back to that job." He replied, "How am I supposed to support my kids?" and they told him, "You can't support your kids if you're dead." That made sense, and he did not return to that job. Eventually, he moved to this small town (IIRC, his wife was from the area) and even though his wife had to go back to work because he didn't make enough money to support them on his own, they were much happier and he was healthier too.

 

[Lnsean]

Thanks for sharing your story. There are some sarcastic responses, but what they failed to understand is that how much courage it take to make such decision even if you are well off.

Of course, most of us do not have the luxury to follow your path. We likely would have the need to find something first before we leave current job in this economy and market.

However, let this be the inspirations to thousands of pharmacist who need to make a stand. Quitting or not, you need to put your patients first, not corporate bottom line. Yes, they pay your salary, but simply following orders is not the way to go. We are highly educated professional who can think independently, yet some of us are allowing ourselves to be taken advantages or abused especially under retail setting.

Thanks for taking a stand!





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many are chained by their mortgages, high student debt, etc.

 

[VA77]

It was a year and a half before I found myself going to bed and realized that I hadn't thought about it all day. I knew my co-workers had long forgotten me but I hadn't forgotten about it. It was not a decision made lightly; I had moved less than a year earlier for this job, in an area where I knew absolutely nobody, and was starting to make friends in the community (I'm still on Facebook with several of them) and get established there.

Several people told me, in so many words, "I have to work because of my kids." I know that, and if I had children (I don't), I would need to be healthy so I could take care of them.

After I quit and before I moved back to my hometown, one of the maintenance guys for the housing complex where I was living told me that he'd had to do something similar a few years earlier. He had a job that paid $90K a year (don't know what) and after his 3rd heart attack, the doctors all said, "You will not be going back to that job." He replied, "How am I supposed to support my kids?" and they told him, "You can't support your kids if you're dead." That made sense, and he did not return to that job. Eventually, he moved to this small town (IIRC, his wife was from the area) and even though his wife had to go back to work because he didn't make enough money to support them on his own, they were much happier and he was healthier too.

 

[VA77]

Congrats to you. Nothing is worse than losing your health. I think a lot of people get caught up with the dollar but you can't make money if you not at your best

 

[ornithoptor]

many are chained by their mortgages, high student debt, etc.

Absolutely!

Then again, that is why sometimes people committing crimes. The pharmacist who dilute chemo drugs probably did so to "maintain his living standards".

For people who hate their jobs but could not walk away; others may say they don't hate your job enough. However, only the they can be the judge of that.

There are so many factors, and no right or wrong answers here. Sometimes we are lucky that we never have to make such a decisions. Other times, we will face decisions when we have to draw a line somewhere. Your job, paycheck or your license. I only urge us all to think twice then some more on how your answer may hold up in criminal, civil or divorce court.




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[rph3664]

When I told my parents what I was planning to do, it was actually my mother who suggested that I not work as a pharmacist any more, something that would NOT have gone over well a year earlier, believe me. I replied, "That's what I was thinking myself." They're still surprised that I've renewed my licenses anyway.

 

[rph3664]

Absolutely!

Then again, that is why sometimes people committing crimes. The pharmacist who dilute chemo drugs probably did so to "maintain his living standards".

If you're referring to Robert Courtney, his reason was even worse.

He had made a huge pledge to his church. How Christian of him.

My BFF had a distant relative whose doctors were puzzled as to why her cancer was progressing so rapidly in spite of "treatment", and there's a regular poster on a non-medical board who says her mother was one of Courtney's patients. She's admitted that maybe her mother would have died 4 months after her diagnosis anyway, but this didn't help matters in any way. The poster was still in high school at the time on top of it.

 

[lord999]

I'm glad you have the means through your family (and possibly fiance) that you could walk away from a bad job. Most literally can't afford to. I would keep your license if I were in your position, even if you never practice again. There are certain doors that open/close based on having one, and there are jobs that need a license initially to qualify but don't use them in practice.

Also, if you are going to do a no-notice quit, please don't do so in the middle of a shift. Most care facilities and state boards would consider that patient abandonment, and would hit you with a revoke charge.

 

[Prepharm1214]

I have never heard of a pharmacist getting their license revoked for this. Do you have an example with the name blacked out from a Board of Pharmacy? I'm curious which states do that. The different states I'm licensed with make that info public and I've never seen it while just glancing over their reports. I usually see action taken against someone due to controlled substances. In Texas, they get a lot of people for not counseling on medications. You're on the regulatory side of things, so I'm sure you know things we don't. I'm just curious to know how common that is because although I would not quit mid-shift, it's crazy to think people lose their license over it. Employers can fire you mid-shift so what's the difference?

Difference being when employers fire a pharmacist they have another pharmacist on site to finish out the day so as to still take care of the patients.

 

[owlegrad]

No they don't.

You seriously know of a chain Pharmacy closing the pharmacy for a day to fire someone? I have never seen or heard of that. In fact I have seen pharmacist called in to finish shifts for pharmacist that are fired.

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[Prepharm1214]

I've been the 'other pharmacist' on two occasions in our district when the pdm fired a pharmacist. I finished out the day while the fired pharmacist was supervised collecting their belongings. This may not be how every chain handles such a situation but this has been my experience.

 

[owlegrad]

First of all, the pharmacy would not have to close for the day if someone quits mid-shift. The supervisors are licensed pharmacists and they could work the store. I have seen this happen. Someone resigning mid-shift is no different than someone leaving due to family emergency or because they are sick and can't finish their shift. Either the store closes or someone comes as soon as they can.

I've only worked in "at will" states and people can quit whenever they want for any reason. There is nothing in the pharmacy laws of my state saying someone can have their license revoked. Also, it always says in the employment contracts that people can quit whenever they want.

I've worked at crappy places in the past and people were constantly quitting, many mid-shift. No one got their license revoked.

Nice evasion. You claimed pharmacies do not replace a pharmacist or have someome on site to keep the pharmacy open if they fire one midshift. Now you seem to be saying the pharmacy supervisor finishes the shift. That is the same thing. Care to do anymore back peddling?

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[rph3664]

Also, if you are going to do a no-notice quit, please don't do so in the middle of a shift. Most care facilities and state boards would consider that patient abandonment, and would hit you with a revoke charge.

That's true for nurses. I've never heard of this happening to a pharmacist, although that doesn't mean it hasn't.

I definitely heard a few stories about pharmacists doing this when CVS acquired Osco a few years ago, and they were people nobody would otherwise have expected to do this.

 

[rph3664]

My professor from pharmacy school actually encouraged us to take our license and leave right in the middle of our shift! Lol. He would do it, too, if he worked retail. He does not bluff. He has zero tolerance for bs.

Under what circumstances?

 

[MrBonita]

I know several people who have a 600,000 mortgage, 200,000 student loan and 50,000 car loan who did the same you did but regretted it and ask desperately if I knew anyone who is hiring. Unfortunately, I do know people who are hiring but why in the world would I help them get a job when they gave up so easily without a back up plan. Go find a job then quit, that is what a smart person would do.

 

[trailerpark]

I know several people who have a 600,000 mortgage, 200,000 student loan and 50,000 car loan who did the same you did but regretted it and ask desperately if I knew anyone who is hiring. Unfortunately, I do know people who are hiring but why in the world would I help them get a job when they gave up so easily without a back up plan. Go find a job then quit, that is what a smart person would do.

You seriously know many people with 850K worth of debt on a 130K salary!? C'mon now


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[gwarm01]

I know several people who have a 600,000 mortgage, 200,000 student loan and 50,000 car loan who did the same you did but regretted it and ask desperately if I knew anyone who is hiring. Unfortunately, I do know people who are hiring but why in the world would I help them get a job when they gave up so easily without a back up plan. Go find a job then quit, that is what a smart person would do.

600k mortgage. Yikes. I may have student loans and a decent car, but I'm ever so glad that I just kept my old house. It's small, it's in a lower class neighborhood miles from downtown, and it's cheap.

 

[ChalupaBatman86]

First of all, the pharmacy would not have to close for the day if someone quits mid-shift. The supervisors are licensed pharmacists and they could work the store. I have seen this happen.

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Umm no. They might stand inside the pharmacy to keep it open until a real pharmacist arrives. That's about it.

 

[lord999]

I can't remember the name, but the incident happened in Yuma sometime in 2002 at RiteAid. Our experiential education Dean just happened to be on the state board at the time (and is still there, the longest serving member in AZ, ever), and this was commented on as the state board convened at the pharmacy school that particular time. If you search every disciplinary record in AZ, you'll come across it.

Last I checked, most pharmacy companies have some sort of standing policy that terminations were supposed to be handled outside of shifts if at all possible, but when they have to be done, the DM/RxS is supposed to locate help prior to the shift unless this is for an imminent reason. I probably wouldn't fire anyone without your equivalent of Loss Prevention being in the same room as you want someone beefy in case the terminated become emotional enough to take a swing. I've never heard of a situation where the DM or RxS literally took over the shift when firing, it just makes that DM/RxS person look like an idiot as unplanned terminations are exceptionally rare and that the DM and RxS are rarely onsite.

 

[lord999]

Interesting. Did they actually revoke that pharmacist's license or just attempt to? I would imagine that pharmacist got a lawyer to fight it.

Yes, the lawyer was Roger Morris of Quarles and Brady, and he's unmistakable in AZ. In this case, the pharmacist lost and the license was revoked. The reason I remember that incident at all is that Roger losing on any professional matter is really, really rare for him; he'd easily be the go-to guy I'd hire if I were in major hot water professionally.

Again, I'd urge to angry quits to just wait until you're off shift before quitting. Walking out of a licensed job while on duty is never taken lightly even if there isn't an explicit regulation on the matter. If you didn't give two weeks, don't expect to be ever hired back again, and word may get around.

Then again, the last two retirements in one particular VA pharmacy, the pharmacy never knew until the Monday after retirement, because it is procedurally possible to retire without ever informing the Pharmacy Administration due to the way OPM Iron Mountain works. The pharmacists had such a low regard for that particular pharmacy that is was both of their parting screw you to the administration (which all of them were AIB'ed to resign).

 

[BenJammin]

Reminds me of this video. Guys got laid off at a call center but were told to finish out the day. This is exactly why fired employees are asked to leave immediately. LOL @ 1:05

 

[lord999]

Wow. I cannot believe it! That seriously sucks! I know you're in management so you're likely to side with corporate and the Board on this, but do you really think revocation of his license was the right call here? I mean, all the pharmacist did was quit.

I am, but I don't side with corporate or the Board on this one. In this case, I don't think so as there are other pharmacies in the city. It would be a hassle for the patients, but the only reason where I would have agreed with a revocation was if significant harm occurred (as in someone gets hospitalized over it) that the pharmacist knew about at the time of the walkout.

There are situations where it's just intolerable, that's why I expressed sympathy for the OP (although remarking that most of us are not in that sort of position to have a fallback, he/she should appreciate that people are out there for that person).

That's not including the civil service though. As far as the VA is concerned, so long as it's on your own personal time, you can play a real-life version of Payday 2 as a getaway driver and not get fired:

Employees Can Be Involved in Armed Robberies as Long as It's On Their Own Time, VA Says

The above IS NOT an Onion article or a parody. It takes especially egregious behavior (more so than being an accessory to a felony) to get fired around here.

 

[Kobethegoat24]

Good for you, I work at cvs and it's the cheapest company on this planet.


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