I think I screwed up.

[Fluidity of Movement]

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I dont see where harm was done. OP replied to me and didn't seem offended. They understood that I misunderstood and simply explained the situation more thoroughly.

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He actually flamed you pretty hard. Saying that he would hate to be your patient.

Perhaps you should swallow your pride and listen to what another human is saying.

 

[Fluidity of Movement]

Yea because an adcom is going to say, in public, that some people just can't make it. Makes sense 👍

In reality there is always someo;e with a better app than you. There's little incentive for schools to take risks on who they matriculate.

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No, they quite clearly said that you will fail to get in without the grades and ECs.
They encouraged those who were lacking to pursue post-bacc and more clinical experience.

 

[MedPR]

You have been posting negative remarks with no real insight or advice, just negative comments and a few bluntly stated facts.

This is evident by several other posters in this forum. I do not think poorly of you, I only ask that you be a little more sensitive when dealing with people on the Internet. I see much disdain towards new SDN members due to their fears of grades.

Just ask yourself, "would I have wanted to be told that when I was having problems?"

I'm not trolling you, and I am not easily offended, I think people sometimes forget that there is a person sitting on the other end of the glass.

I tell people what I would've wanted to be told. Sugar coating doesn't help anyone.

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[MedPR]

He actually flamed you pretty hard. Saying that he would hate to be your patient.

Perhaps you should swallow your pride and listen to what another human is saying.

Where?

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[Geebeejay]

40% every year. The longer you stick with it the higher your chances are each year; that was my point and it is very valid.

Applying only simple statistics would tell you that there is a 60% chance of being rejected each year, which means there is a 21.6% chance of being rejected all 3 years, and therefore a 79.4% chance of getting accepted to medical school!

Obviously, however, simple statistics really don't apply in this situation....ask all of the poor people who took 3 MCATs and never met or exceeded a 30. Or the poor people who had that 3.0 undergrad GPA haunt them for 3 application cycles. Or ask them about all of those nights where they checked their email and saw nothing but cobwebs and rejections.

My only point is that this is a very trying and very difficult process, and to ignore that issue would be a mistake. Even under perfectly ideal circumstances, tens of thousands of applicants fail every year. OP needs to take care of himself, get his depression under control, and get back on his feet if he really wants a shot at medical school. Ignoring his problems and entering the process with an unfounded optimism may only lead to failure and disappointment...let alone many wasted years and dollars.

 

[Fluidity of Movement]

I tell people what I would've wanted to be told. Sugar coating doesn't help anyone.

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I'm sorry sir your philosophy has no merit in a first time encounter with a damaged person. Learn to psychotherapy and then return.

 

[MedPR]

I'm sorry sir your philosophy has no merit in a first time encounter with a damaged person. Learn to psychotherapy and then return.

I'd guess that the first rule of psychotherapy is not calling someone "damaged"

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[Fluidity of Movement]

Applying only simple statistics would tell you that there is a 60% chance of being rejected each year, which means there is a 21.6% chance of being rejected all 3 years, and therefore a 79.4% chance of getting accepted to medical school!

Obviously, however, simple statistics really don't apply in this situation....ask all of the poor people who took 3 MCATs and never met or exceeded a 30. Or the poor people who had that 3.0 undergrad GPA haunt them for 3 application cycles. Or ask them about all of those nights where they checked their email and saw nothing but cobwebs and rejections.

My only point is that this is a very trying and very difficult process, and to ignore that issue would be a mistake. Even under perfectly ideal circumstances, tens of thousands of applicants fail every year. OP needs to take care of himself, get his depression under control, and get back on his feet if he really wants a shot at medical school. Ignoring his problems and entering the process with an unfounded optimism may only lead to failure and disappointment...let alone many wasted years and dollars.

The math would actually be much higher since you would be a much better applicant each year than the standard 40%

Thanks for the support! I applaud you.

 

[Irish Football]

I'm gonna report you all...

 

[MedPR]

The math would actually be much higher since you would be a much better applicant each year than the standard 40%

Thanks for the support! I applaud you.

Much better? Not true, especially when GPA is the problem.

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[MedPR]

I'm gonna report you all...

I reported myself just now

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[Fluidity of Movement]

I'd guess that the first rule of psychotherapy is not calling someone "damaged"

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I wasnt directly referring to anyone. Obviously a client has issues or they would not seek therapy.

Semantics can be a pain.

 

[Geebeejay]

The math would actually be much higher since you would be a much better applicant each year than the standard 40%

Thanks for the support! I applaud you.

Perhaps, but if the foundation (MCAT, undegrad GPA, institutional issues, frequent repeated classes) is broken, the house will never stand.


AND seriously people....there is a great PM system for all of your unrelated bickering....let's give OP something to read that is actually relevant to his problem.

 

[Fluidity of Movement]

Much better? Not true, especially when GPA is the problem.

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Most people do better in school the longer they stay in. It's called "learning" and "experience" . If you failed to get into med school and the pursued a masters degree and achieved good grades and increased your ECs then indeed you will have a higher chance of matriculation.

 

[Irish Football]

I reported myself just now

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👍

Btw, MedPR, we've gone back a while here on SDN and in many common threads, I'm a fan of yours bro.

 

[Bluto385]

Most people do better in school the longer they stay in. It's called "learning" and "experience" . If you failed to get into med school and the pursued a masters degree and achieved good grades and increased your ECs then indeed you will have a higher chance of matriculation.

Not when medical schools are aware that many graduate programs use grade inflation. A solid grad GPA will not replace an abysmal undergrad GPA. Your chances may increase if you do what you mentioned, but not as much if you had done it right the first time around.

 

[Fluidity of Movement]

I tell people what I would've wanted to be told. Sugar coating doesn't help anyone.

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Sugar coating saves lives, actually. What causes suicide? Lack of social integration. Bluntness pushes people away in hopes you will crack them out of their shell. This should be used selectively and not as a first line. What can happen is for people to become further demotivated and depressed, also known as non integrated, and leads to suicide.

The OP clearly had issues, as I discerned from the first posting. You responded with with garbage which prompted him to flame you.

I'm simply trying to help you now. I fear for your future patients as well. I want you to be a kind, compassionate person, as I do everyone. Please understand that being right is not always the best course of action.

 

[flyers]

👍

Btw, MedPR, we've gone back a while here on SDN and in many common threads, I'm a fan of yours bro.

Are you a fan of the "accepted" MedPR or the "pre-med" MedPR? Just curious. It's a sticky situation.

 

[MedPR]

Most people do better in school the longer they stay in. It's called "learning" and "experience" . If you failed to get into med school and the pursued a masters degree and achieved good grades and increased your ECs then indeed you will have a higher chance of matriculation.

Perhaps you are new here, but good grad GPA can't always make up for a poor undergrad.

👍

Btw, MedPR, we've gone back a while here on SDN and in many common threads, I'm a fan of yours bro.

Same 👍

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[MedPR]

Are you a fan of the "accepted" MedPR or the "pre-med" MedPR? Just curious. It's a sticky situation.

I've not changed since being accepted. Anyone who has been here for more than 6 months can vouch for that.

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[MedPR]

Sugar coating saves lives, actually. What causes suicide? Lack of social integration. Bluntness pushes people away in hopes you will crack them out of their shell. This should be used selectively and not as a first line. What can happen is for people to become further demotivated and depressed, also known as non integrated, and leads to suicide.

The OP clearly had issues, as I discerned from the first posting. You responded with with garbage which prompted him to flame you.

I'm simply trying to help you now. I fear for your future patients as well. I want you to be a kind, compassionate person, as I do everyone. Please understand that being right is not always the best course of action.

Yes fear for my future patients because I think that sugar coating the reality of medical school admissions is a terrible idea.

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[Fluidity of Movement]

Perhaps you are new here, but good grad GPA can't always make up for a poor undergrad.





Same 👍

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No, not always, but then again perhaps the sun won't always come up. There are always situations and circumstances that could arise. I feel that when trying to console and provide advice for someone you look towards the more likely reality than the far distant one that could happen.

 

[Fluidity of Movement]

Yes fear for my future patients because I think that sugar coating the reality of medical school admissions is a terrible idea.

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Logical fallacy. I agreed with the OP that your rhetoric was inappropriate considering his circumstances.

The truth of medical school is different from showing compassion. And there is no "truth" to anything, anything can happen. We base our truths on evidence. You are not the only one to decide what the truth is. There is empirical evidence in what I say.

 

[MedPR]

No, not always, but then again perhaps the sun won't always come up. There are always situations and circumstances that could arise. I feel that when trying to console and provide advice for someone you look towards the more likely reality than the far distant one that could happen.

The more likely reality is that they won't be accepted if they don't get their condition under control before taking more classes. The more likely reality is that they need to finish strong (undergrad) to have a chance at matriculating.

The less likely reality is that a graduate program will make up for their undergrad struggles.

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[flyers]

I've not changed since being accepted. Anyone who has been here for more than 6 months can vouch for that.

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I was just messing with Irish. Personally I was happy for you when you got accepted because of your background and story. But JJR22 has a point. Also, you should probably listen to fluidityt. No point in pushing someone over the edge just to be right. Sometimes it's better to sugar coat things and help people get back on their feet.

 

[Irish Football]

Also, I just have to say that sarcastic remarks and jokes are part of what makes SDN great imo. I've said this before, that if this site was merely just a place with professional advice with all of the fun sucked out of it, then it wouldn't be as entertaining for me or anybody else who browses SDN casually. It can be a place of information as well as entertainment. Now, I'm not picking sides or commenting on what took place in this thread, but more in general I'd say that just because someone responds to an OP with something that isn't positive advice doesn't make it wrong. An insensitive remark can definitely be classified as inappropriate of course, but people should know how to sift through the garbage to get to the gold. You can't be too sensitive when looking for advice from strangers on the internet. Again, I'm not saying anyone was right or wrong in this situation. Just food for thought.

 

[MedPR]

Logical fallacy. I agreed with the OP that your rhetoric was inappropriate considering his circumstances.

The truth of medical school is different from showing compassion. And there is no "truth" to anything, anything can happen. We base our truths on evidence. You are not the only one to decide what the truth is. There is empirical evidence in what I say.

😕 I'm not deciding on what the truth is. I'm deciding that giving someone the facts (reapplicant are disadvantaged, and low GPAs are the most difficult to overcome) is more helpful than saying to keep at it because "if you try hard enough you can get in!"

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[MedPR]

I was just messing with Irish. Personally I was happy for you when you got accepted because of your background and story. But JJR22 has a point. Also, you should probably listen to fluidityt. No point in pushing someone over the edge just to be right. Sometimes it's better to sugar coat things and help people get back on their feet.

I'm not pushing anyone over the edge. I've said a few times now that OP needs to get their depression under control before doing anything else.

The rest of the discussion is directed at an individual(s) thinking that determination is enough to matriculate

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[Fluidity of Movement]

😕 I'm not deciding on what the truth is. I'm deciding that giving someone the facts (reapplicant are disadvantaged, and low GPAs are the most difficult to overcome) is more helpful than saying to keep at it because "if you try hard enough you can get in!"

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Apparently we have very different sources of information. We can argue all day about this and that, but my concern is with your initial comment towards the OP as being incendiary.

 

[MedPR]

Apparently we have very different sources of information. We can argue all day about this and that, but my concern is with your initial comment towards the OP as being incendiary.

My source is the actual experiences of SDNers. Yours is based on what those handful of adcoms told you, correct?



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[Fluidity of Movement]

The more likely reality is that they won't be accepted if they don't get their condition under control before taking more classes. The more likely reality is that they need to finish strong (undergrad) to have a chance at matriculating.

The less likely reality is that a graduate program will make up for their undergrad struggles.

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Again you are trying to argue on a fallacy. I never implied that he should not get his issues under control, or that he should not finish strong.

 

[MedPR]

Again you are trying to argue on a fallacy. I never implied that he should not get his issues under control, or that he should not finish strong.

I'm not arguing on a fallacy. I'm saying that grad programs aren't as significant ad you implied they are.

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[Irish Football]

Again you are trying to argue on a fallacy. I never implied that he should not get his issues under control, or that he should not finish strong.

Looks like someone should be pre-law...


Jk, btw.

Also, I feel like this battle, as entertaining as it is, can be done via PM's, no?

 

[Fluidity of Movement]

My source is the actual experiences of SDNers. Yours is based on what those handful of adcoms told you, correct?



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I will concede from this argument. I have stated my points very clearly. As a final remark, no, that is not my only source. I have attended a few pre med seminars and webinars, and I have been on SDN before this August.

There is always more to a story than what you hear (concerning sdn xp). Speak with adcoms at schools you were rejected from and see what they have to say.

Thank you for the lovely debate. I hope in the future you will add perhaps at least one sentence of compassion towards those who are struggling.

 

[Fluidity of Movement]

Looks like someone should be pre-law...


Jk, btw.

Also, I feel like this battle, as entertaining as it is, can be done via PM's, no?

Indeed this is why have conceded.

 

[911 Turbo]

yeah i reported him ... That kind of remark is completely counterproductive to the sdn website.

Also, starting school over is a really, really bad idea. I've heard countless times that post baccs as well as the med school internship programs are way better options. There are always options and always ways to improve. It just might take a while extra. A great mcat score offsets gpa problems as well.

lol
rofl

 

[Irish Football]

lol
rofl

C'mon man! I'm reporting you for that. Totally uncalled for...

 

[MedPR]

C'mon man! I'm reporting you for that. Totally uncalled for...

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[911 Turbo]

C'mon man! I'm reporting you for that. Totally uncalled for...

reported for being a notre dame fan.


but seriously why do people report posts for trivial things?? its something thats unique to SDN... buncha premeds

 

[Fluidity of Movement]

reported for being a notre dame fan.


but seriously why do people report posts for trivial things?? its something thats unique to SDN... buncha premeds

Read the OPs response and call it trivial.

Troll me if you wish. I was completely edified in my response after the OP responded.

 

[Fivo]

Read the OPs response and call it trivial.

Troll me if you wish. I was completely edified in my response after the OP responded.

Seems like you care more about proving yourself right than you do about the OP's situation. If you really cared about the OP, then you wouldn't have let this thread become about you. You're trying way too hard. If OP is that depressed or hurt, then he needs to get off these forums and seek medical help. You going on and on and on is not doing anyone any favors.

 

[Fluidity of Movement]

Seems like you care more about proving yourself right than you do about the OP's situation. If you really cared about the OP, then you wouldn't have let this thread become about you. You're trying way too hard. If OP is that depressed or hurt, then he needs to get off these forums and seek medical help. You going on and on and on is not doing anyone any favors.

I disagree. I actually mentioned earlier that it's not best to always prove ones self right. By letting these people belittle the OP and undermining what I said... Why would I have bothered to respond in the first place?

I do not like bullies, and at no point was this about me. I ended the argument regarding acceptance rates and redirected the conversation back towards the OP.

The OP came to this forum for help. And that is what I am doing. Everyone else is more interested in shoving their version of truth and facts down someone's throat, instead of providing the support that the OP needed.

 

[Belle Melodie]

Looking from the outside in, you guys really just took over the thread. Its like OP is in between u two, looking at each of you while you argue. Its becoming extremely childish. Please focus on the main issue or dont post at all. No one cares about the bickering or whos right or wrong.

 

[deleted393595]

Long story short: I am a Junior, messed up a class freshman year, panicked, changed my major sophomore year, hated it, changed back to premed junior year and royally screwed up. I took Organic over the summer and got a C, but I expected more from myself than that and then I got a D. My school keeps the most recent grade so I am stuck with the D. Now I am going to have to take it again but probably can't get in the class until the Fall.

I finally came to terms with the fact that I am extremely depressed, and it is really affecting my abilities to concentrate. I am working on getting that under control, but I am worried that I am screwed with school. All I have ever wanted is to be a doctor and I am freaking out that I ruined it. Would I be better off just starting over at a different school? I don't know what to do. Has anyone been in this situation? I am not looking for any "you can never be a doctor". I know it looks that way, but I finally got myself figured out and I am fixing my problems. I will become a doctor, I am just lost on what to do right now. Thanks for the help.

If you think you've got depression, go seek help as soon as you can. There are resources available.

 

[Fluidity of Movement]

Looking from the outside in, you guys really just took over the thread. Its like OP is in between u two, looking at each of you while you argue. Its becoming extremely childish. Please focus on the main issue or dont post at all. No one cares about the bickering or whos right or wrong.

I agree, except I was not arguing as much as trying to ward off a bully.

The OP stated that he refuses to go on medication. Perhaps we should encourage him to see a therapist?

There is no shame in going on medication, as a future doctor you should know this OP =] if you can find someone to be your sponsor, or if you can find a support group that would be your best bet.

But don't give up faith. All you can do is your best, and stressing over the past will not help you move forward.

 

[487806]

I've not changed since being accepted. Anyone who has been here for more than 6 months can vouch for that.

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I haven't been here that long but I agree with you

 

[487806]

I agree, except I was not arguing as much as trying to ward off a bully.

The OP stated that he refuses to go on medication. Perhaps we should encourage him to see a therapist?

There is no shame in going on medication, as a future doctor you should know this OP =] if you can find someone to be your sponsor, or if you can find a support group that would be your best bet.

But don't give up faith. All you can do is your best, and stressing over the past will not help you move forward.

OP should visit his doctor. Depression is a medical concern. This is for his safety.

 

[eggs13]

I think some people in this thread need to read "How to win friends and influence people" by Dale Carnegie.

 

[VisionaryTics]

reported for being a notre dame fan.


but seriously why do people report posts for trivial things?? its something thats unique to SDN... buncha premeds

Reported for hatin'.

 

[IslandStyle808]

OP should visit his doctor. Depression is a medical concern. This is for his safety.

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OP should also try to see the university psychologist as well. The psychologist will help OP understand how to manage the condition and also how to keep up with his course work.