Idaho state residence vs Oregon state residence

[nolando545]

Would I have a better chance at getting accepted as an Oregon resident or an Idaho resident? As far as I know the only schools this really makes a difference for is OHSU, University of Washington, and University of Utah.

I grew up in Oregon, graduated from HS in Oregon, and both of my my parents still live there. After graduating HS, I went to college in Idaho and have been living here since graduation last spring (currently ID resident). From what I understand this means that I am going to be considered an Oregon heritage applicant at OHSU. While this is obviously a plus, I assume in-state residents would have a better chance of acceptance than OOS heritage applicants.

While OHSU is my top choice, there is clearly no guarantee of acceptance. So I'm trying to decide if I want to get Oregon residency again or remain a resident of ID. What is holding me back from switching is Washington and Utah's partnership with Idaho (because Idaho has no medical schools). The number of spots might have changed, but last time I looked into it Utah has 10 spots/year available for ID residents and Washington has 35 spots/year. Information on these programs has been somewhat limited for some reason so please correct me if I'm wrong about any of this!

Simply put, are my chances of acceptance better as an ID resident (OOS heritage to OHSU while applying for Utah and Washington's Idaho spots), or as an Oregon resident to OHSU and OOS for everywhere else?

Another factor could be OHSU's in state residency qualifications. I think I remember someone saying they were an Oregon resident, worked in California, but their application was considered OOS. Is this true? I'm asking because I am living/working in Idaho right now, but it would be fairly easy to get Oregon residency while still working in Idaho.

Any insight would be welcome, thank you!


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[grapples43]

If HopefulPilot is right, and OHSU will treat you as IS, I don't see why it would hurt to keep your Idaho residency and increase your chances at two other schools. By the way, UW currently gives 40 spots to Idaho now, but you are correct about Utah giving 10. When are you planning on applying? It is likely that Idaho will chose not to pay for those seats after the new DO school is built in Meridian. So if you are applying for E2018 or after (which I am guessing you are), you may not really get a great benefit out of Idaho residency. I suspect Utah will drop it's Idaho seats, but UW will keep theirs. They will probably require their Idaho students to pay OOS tuition though since they will not longer get money from the state of Idaho. This is all speculation on my part though.

 

[camtheram1815]

I was in a similar position as you. Grew up in Oregon, moved to a different state during the application cycle, and I was confused on not only which state I was considered a resident of, but which one was preferable.

Turns out, Oregon is a good state to move away from for admissions purposes. I was considered Oregon Heritage, which for admissions purposes is effectively the same as IS, but if I am accepted and decide to matriculate (still waiting to hear back post interview, fingers crossed!), I would be considered OOS for tuition purposes.

If I were you, I'd go with Idaho residence. You would be considered Oregon Heritage, which is an advantage for OHSU, PLUS you'd have the advantages at UW and Utah. For someone on the west coast, these are good things to have, considering your application is competitive.

Hope that helps, good luck!

 

[Endoxifen]

I don't mean to draw away from OP, but I am in a very similar position, but with Pennsylvania. Would the suggestion for switching from Oregon be the same? Thank you!

 

[WedgeDawg]

I don't mean to draw away from OP, but I am in a very similar position, but with Pennsylvania. Would the suggestion for switching from Oregon be the same? Thank you!

Pennsylvania unfortunately doesn't have any in-state schools. Some of their private schools give a little bit of preference to PA residents, but nowhere close to the advantage that other states would give to theirs.

 

[Endoxifen]

Pennsylvania unfortunately doesn't have any in-state schools. Some of their private schools give a little bit of preference to PA residents, but nowhere close to the advantage that other states would give to theirs.

What about Penn State? They have a medical school, don't they?

 

[WedgeDawg]

What about Penn State? They have a medical school, don't they?

For some reason, their med school is private

 

[Endoxifen]

For some reason, their med school is private

That's very odd. Maybe it's because of their affiliation with Hershey? Thank you very much for your help.

 

[vellez]

Stay an Idaho resident. But do be aware that the State of Idaho requirements for being an Idaho resident are very strict, as is the documentation required. (I am from Idaho).

 

[vellez]

If HopefulPilot is right, and OHSU will treat you as IS, I don't see why it would hurt to keep your Idaho residency and increase your chances at two other schools. By the way, UW currently gives 40 spots to Idaho now, but you are correct about Utah giving 10. When are you planning on applying? It is likely that Idaho will chose not to pay for those seats after the new DO school is built in Meridian. So if you are applying for E2018 or after (which I am guessing you are), you may not really get a great benefit out of Idaho residency. I suspect Utah will drop it's Idaho seats, but UW will keep theirs. They will probably require their Idaho students to pay OOS tuition though since they will not longer get money from the state of Idaho. This is all speculation on my part though.

FYI: This is false.

Idaho subsidizes the tuition in advance, so there is AT LEAST 3 years of seats funded for UW and Utah.

 

[grapples43]

FYI: This is false.

Idaho subsidizes the tuition in advance, so there is AT LEAST 3 years of seats funded for UW and Utah.

This is good to know. I was under the impression that it worked differently (I've read the legislation, but it's pretty much a foreign language to me). I have a question though. Say that Idaho votes not to continue this partnership this next year. Would that mean all students would be covered until 2019, but not beyond? So, Idaho students who are E17s would be covered their first two years, those that are E18s would be covered only one year? Or are you saying that it basically cover all students for all years for three years? So thus far, E16, E17, and E18 are fully covered? I might be confused on what you are saying, but I'm interested in understanding it.

 

[NeuResurgens]

If you want pure probabilities, you're more likely to get an acceptance if you're considered in state for two schools rather than 1 - in that case I'd say keep Idaho. But if your love for OHSU outweighs the greater probability of acceptance you might consider Oregon residency.

 

[flapjack3d]

You might not have to choose. I have a friend who qualifies for two states residency requirements, so he's IS both places.

 

[idontwatchgreysanatomy]

You might not have to choose. I have a friend who qualifies for two states residency requirements, so he's IS both places.

How does that work for AMCAS though? AFAIK, you have to pick a state.

 

[Lost In Transcription]

Would I have a better chance at getting accepted as an Oregon resident or an Idaho resident? As far as I know the only schools this really makes a difference for is OHSU, University of Washington, and University of Utah.

I grew up in Oregon, graduated from HS in Oregon, and both of my my parents still live there. After graduating HS, I went to college in Idaho and have been living here since graduation last spring (currently ID resident). From what I understand this means that I am going to be considered an Oregon heritage applicant at OHSU. While this is obviously a plus, I assume in-state residents would have a better chance of acceptance than OOS heritage applicants.

While OHSU is my top choice, there is clearly no guarantee of acceptance. So I'm trying to decide if I want to get Oregon residency again or remain a resident of ID. What is holding me back from switching is Washington and Utah's partnership with Idaho (because Idaho has no medical schools). The number of spots might have changed, but last time I looked into it Utah has 10 spots/year available for ID residents and Washington has 35 spots/year. Information on these programs has been somewhat limited for some reason so please correct me if I'm wrong about any of this!

Simply put, are my chances of acceptance better as an ID resident (OOS heritage to OHSU while applying for Utah and Washington's Idaho spots), or as an Oregon resident to OHSU and OOS for everywhere else?

Another factor could be OHSU's in state residency qualifications. I think I remember someone saying they were an Oregon resident, worked in California, but their application was considered OOS. Is this true? I'm asking because I am living/working in Idaho right now, but it would be fairly easy to get Oregon residency while still working in Idaho.

Any insight would be welcome, thank you!


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If you went to HS in OR, you will be heritage regardless. If you do Idaho you will be in the Nortwest pact where you will be instate in UWash and UUtah.

I would go with Idaho.

Keep in mind that if you apply to EITHER washington or Utah, you NEED to show you care/have been exposed to rural medicine. That is their mission statement, and while you will be considered in-state, if they see you just went to college and did not engage southernIdaho/rural (I'm assuming you're at UI) then they won't care about you much.

 

[Lost In Transcription]

How does that work for AMCAS though? AFAIK, you have to pick a state.

Because if you pick one, the schools count you as in-state with the Northwest pact.

 

[Lost In Transcription]

If you want pure probabilities, you're more likely to get an acceptance if you're considered in state for two schools rather than 1 - in that case I'd say keep Idaho. But if your love for OHSU outweighs the greater probability of acceptance you might consider Oregon residency.

But OHSU will give him heritage preference regardless.

 

[idontwatchgreysanatomy]

Because if you pick one, the schools count you as in-state with the Northwest pact.

I don't think that is what the quoted post was referring to. They said their friend didn't have to pick one because they magically get to list two states as their residence. Considering you enter your state of residence in AMCAS, I am calling BS.

 

[idontwatchgreysanatomy]

But OHSU will give him heritage preference regardless.

I think that they were saying if OHSU is their top choice between U of Utah and UW, then it would be more advantageous to list Oregon as their state of residence since OHSU's in-state tuition is ridiculous already. Even though the chances are the same as a heritage applicant, you'd still have to pay the OOS tuition

 

[Lost In Transcription]

I don't think that is what the quoted post was referring to. They said their friend didn't have to pick one because they magically get to list two states as their residence. Considering you enter your state of residence in AMCAS, I am calling BS.

That's not true. Post said they qualified. Not anything about listing anything in AMCAS.

 

[Lost In Transcription]

I think that they were saying if OHSU is their top choice between U of Utah and UW, then it would be more advantageous to list Oregon as their state of residence since OHSU's in-state tuition is ridiculous already. Even though the chances are the same as a heritage applicant, you'd still have to pay the OOS tuition

Ah, perhaps, but getting IS tuition is a bit more complicated than just listing it as your most recent/important residence, unfortunately...

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

That is their mission statement

The U is full of poo with their mission statements. They recruit a ton of students who they know will go on to be sub-specialists and have no intention of staying in Utah. There is a reason Utah has one of the worst PCP per capita ratios in the country and it's because the U does a horrible job of fulfilling their mission statement. Hence why RVU was able to pitch their campus in southern Utah with such success.

/off topic rant


OP I would do Idaho because you will get better consideration from all 3 schools that way, seeing as Oregon will see you as an IS applicant regardless. Oh and the Utah a good school, it just frustrates the medical community in Utah to no end how they run their program, mainly admissions.

 

[vellez]

This is good to know. I was under the impression that it worked differently (I've read the legislation, but it's pretty much a foreign language to me). I have a question though. Say that Idaho votes not to continue this partnership this next year. Would that mean all students would be covered until 2019, but not beyond? So, Idaho students who are E17s would be covered their first two years, those that are E18s would be covered only one year? Or are you saying that it basically cover all students for all years for three years? So thus far, E16, E17, and E18 are fully covered? I might be confused on what you are saying, but I'm interested in understanding it.

As Utah and UW are currently interviewing Idaho students for Class of 2021, it would include funding THROUGH the class of 2021. But Gov Otter and the legislature both expanded UW and Utah programs this year, so I highly doubt they have any intentions of scaling it back, despite ICOM. I can't see Idaho cutting these programs in the somewhat distant future. The Idaho legislature looks very kindly upon WWAMI and Utah, to be real.

When Idaho funds the seats, the money for every class is allocated up front. Thus, the Idaho budget has already "paid" for all four years for the class of 2019 (my class), class of 2020 and 2021. Also, Idaho is in a contract with UW and Utah; UW and Utah have to plan around these agreements, and Idaho cannot just leave it.

 

[grapples43]

As Utah and UW are currently interviewing Idaho students for Class of 2021, it would include funding THROUGH the class of 2021. But Gov Otter and the legislature both expanded UW and Utah programs this year, so I highly doubt they have any intentions of scaling it back, despite ICOM. I can't see Idaho cutting these programs in the somewhat distant future. The Idaho legislature looks very kindly upon WWAMI and Utah, to be real.

When Idaho funds the seats, the money for every class is allocated up front. Thus, the Idaho budget has already "paid" for all four years for the class of 2019 (my class), class of 2020 and 2021. Also, Idaho is in a contract with UW and Utah; UW and Utah have to plan around these agreements, and Idaho cannot just leave it.

Actually, I guess I did understand it correctly. Maybe the way I said it was confusing or misleading. I was cautioning this person on cost because if they end up being an E2018 student, the state has not yet voted to fund them (class of 2022). While the legislature did expand both programs this year, that was before ICOM was a fully realized idea. While you can't see Idaho cutting these programs, I most certainly can. I agree that the legislature looks kindly upon WWAMI and Utah, but it is also expensive for them, and I'm think they would rather spend money on other programs if they view ICOM as giving similar benefits without the cost.

OP, I think if you are looking primarily at trying to increase your chances of acceptance, staying as an Idaho resident could definitely do this. Just understand that the tuition break from Idaho isn't a guarantee until it's been voted upon, and it technically never has been (Alaska considered pulling it's WWAMI funding a couple years ago despite any contract). It would likely be beneficial for you either way though, as far as increasing your chances of acceptance.

 

[vellez]

Actually, I guess I did understand it correctly. Maybe the way I said it was confusing or misleading. I was cautioning this person on cost because if they end up being an E2018 student, the state has not yet voted to fund them (class of 2022). While the legislature did expand both programs this year, that was before ICOM was a fully realized idea. While you can't see Idaho cutting these programs, I most certainly can. I agree that the legislature looks kindly upon WWAMI and Utah, but it is also expensive for them, and I'm think they would rather spend money on other programs if they view ICOM as giving similar benefits without the cost.

OP, I think if you are looking primarily at trying to increase your chances of acceptance, staying as an Idaho resident could definitely do this. Just understand that the tuition break from Idaho isn't a guarantee until it's been voted upon, and it technically never has been (Alaska considered pulling it's WWAMI funding a couple years ago despite any contract). It would likely be beneficial for you either way though, as far as increasing your chances of acceptance.

My understanding is that the ICOM ppl contacted Governor otter before he proposed to add 5+2 seats. Maybe in distant future, but yeah, you're right who knows. Just given the way med school works, I think Idaho would give notice to WWAMI/Utah that they were thinking of cutting the funding, so UW and Utah could plan accordingly (I know the 10 seats reserved for Idaho ppl come directly out of Utah's OOS pool, so Utah would like know in advance, probably)