If doctors are so miserable & burnt out, why do so many of their kids still want to go to medical school?

[Splenda88]

Monday- Friday 9-5???? Yes there are a few specialties that do that... but most do not. Not everyone going to med school will be a dermatologist.

Even better... Mon-Thurs then, while having the ability to make 200k+... Most specialties in medicine (except for surgical) offer that.

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[Sleepingdoc]

Even better... Mon-Thurs then, while having the ability to make 200k+... Most specialties in medicine (except for surgical) offer that.

People think its just a 9-5 jobs... but after seeing 30 patients a day, there are other aspects of clinic you have to do too.... like charting, calling for consults, follow up.. Not sure if you are considering just the office time.

 

[Splenda88]

People think its just a 9-5 jobs... but after seeing 30 patients a day, there are other aspects of clinic you have to do too.... like charting, calling for consults, follow up.. Not sure if you are considering just the office time.

Yes... A few companies give you support staff (aka NP, MA etc...) to deal with some of these things. I know a few on the FM side of my GME program who got 4 1/2 days/wk for 200k+ (20 k sign on bonus) with good support staff.

The good thing about most of the specialties in medicine (mainly primary care), there are thousand jobs out there to choose from.

 

[ToothJockey]

Even better... Mon-Thurs then, while having the ability to make 200k+... Most specialties in medicine (except for surgical) offer that.

Dentistry too.

Healthcare is honestly a pretty good profession for high salary and good work life balance. Many people out there work 60+ hrs a week to just squeak 6 figures, lawyers, finance dudes etc. are all working big hours. Almost everyone making 200k+ is working hard for it.

In healthcare you can consistently make a mid 6 figure income working relatively fewer hours than most other people. Long training, but it pays off in the end.


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[sargon2123]

Kids of Doctor literally have such a leg up in the process. High socioeconomic standing, can afford that trip to learn Spanish get great shadowing and research opportunities etc.

Lol that's nothing. People can ask around for shadowing and research. The ones who truly have a leg up are relatives of program directors

 

[sargon2123]

Dentistry too.

Healthcare is honestly a pretty good profession for high salary and good work life balance. Many people out there work 60+ hrs a week to just squeak 6 figures, lawyers, finance dudes etc. are all working big hours. Almost everyone making 200k+ is working hard for it.

In healthcare you can consistently make a mid 6 figure income working relatively fewer hours than most other people. Long training, but it pays off in the end.


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Not instagram influencers.

To be fair though, preclinical years and 7-on-7-off work schedules are pretty conducive to (partial) laptop lifestyles

 

[FutureInternist]

Kids of Doctor literally have such a leg up in the process. High socioeconomic standing, can afford that trip to learn Spanish get great shadowing and research opportunities etc.

Plus our kids have a fighting chance of coming out of med school with minimal debt.... yea for 529s

 

[ToothJockey]

Not instagram influencers.

To be fair though, preclinical years and 7-on-7-off work schedules are pretty conducive to (partial) laptop lifestyles

The funny thing is even though on the outside it seems Youtubers and Instagrammers never work, it’s actually quite the opposite, they work a ton to produce new content every day. It’s much more behind the scenes than just playing fortnite for 10 hrs a day. They constantly have to be working with companies to secure sponsorships and all that.

And another thing is that our income is mostly guaranteed as long as we are competent and still breathing. Not the same for all these social media people. What if they become irrelevant one day? There goes their career...


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[NeuResurgens]

Can't say for sure as I'm the first one to go into medicine in my family, but I've noticed a similar trend as many of my classmates have physician parents too. Now having worked around many other doctors and having had my own experiences in medicine - we often complain about government encroachment, administrative BS, the EMR, patients doing dumb things, etc. and while these are all legitimate gripes, I think a lot of us overstate the extent to which those things outweigh the benefits of this career in the moment we're complaining about them. And complaining is very cathartic when it comes to these, while also directing attention and efforts towards hopefully changing some of them. Every doctor I've worked with has complained about this stuff, but very few of them have given me the impression that they're so severely dissatisfied that they'd rather be doing anything else (especially anything like law, finance, etc). It's possible that kids pick up on some of this despite their parents complaining. At the end of the day it's still an intellectually stimulating career in which someone can make a big difference in the lives of a lot of people, drawbacks notwithstanding.

 

[SLC]

where do you live ? in a metro area?

About 45mins to an hour outside of a major metro area. Considered rural, but close enough to go into town to catch a movie and dinner or what not when I want to.

 

[SLC]

People think its just a 9-5 jobs... but after seeing 30 patients a day, there are other aspects of clinic you have to do too.... like charting, calling for consults, follow up.. Not sure if you are considering just the office time.

not if you’re doing it right and have some skills. I chart in real time, I don’t “call” consultants. And so I work an average of 24-28 patient contact hours per week, and maybe 1-4 admin hours total. I made damn near $300k this year, in primary care. And I’m only 1.5 years in.

I work 8-5 M-Th. I take 2hrs mid-day for lunch and go home to spend tome with my wife and kid.

it’s a cushy lifestyle, and I’m perfectly content with it.

 

[DJay4534533]

Lol that's nothing. People can ask around for shadowing and research. The ones who truly have a leg up are relatives of program directors

I found getting shadowing really hard to come by. Most (paid) research positions also are linked to who you know on the inside.

 

[BigPikachu]

Meh. I had stereotypical Asian parents. They wanted me to do medicine and did as I was told. I had the grades to get in and I didn't feel strongly about anything else. So here I am. I'm happy in my job; it pays well and enjoy the work. Hard to say what I would have done in hindsight. But I've gotten what I want out of my career; and, funnily enough, the longer you work, the more you come to realise that your work isn't life, your work just pays for you to have a life -- that is, it really doesn't really matter what specialty or career track you choose, as long as it has a stable income and you enjoy it, and more importantly, you come home and spend it with your family and friends. If this job has taught me anything: life is short.

 

[OntologicalDamnation]

Kids of Doctor literally have such a leg up in the process. High socioeconomic standing, can afford that trip to learn Spanish get great shadowing and research opportunities etc.

That's true, but do they have drive and intellectual curiosity? Nietzsche stated that the number 1 driving force among humans is the will to power, but when you already have that much power, what are you fighting for? Personally, I think that drive is significantly important than any sort of connections. I know a lot of kids of doctors who didn't have grit in them despite all the connections they had. The kid who is fighting for power will have a leg up over the kid who is trying to maintain power.

Also, look at some of the most famous scientists, mathematicians ( Ramanujan), and athletes (LBJ, MJ) and check out their socioeconomic backgrounds.

 

[OntologicalDamnation]

Personally, one of the reasons I chose medicine is because it involves life long learning. In other careers, your education significantly stops as soon as you leave a college campus and I'm not sure if I can tolerate a lack of mental stimulation for that long. I never want to leave an academic setting. It keeps you young.

 

[Slavic Scot]

Keep it real, no other career has an easy path to 300k/year.

Imma disagree with you there. If you go to a top college, like my friends and I did, without exception the ones in CS were offered >100k straight out of undergrad. Several years later, all are either making >200k (including benefits) or pursuing PhDs at other top engineering programs. Several had GPAs less than 3.

Same story with consulting/investment banking.

 

[CidHighwind]

Imma disagree with you there. If you go to a top college, like my friends and I did, without exception the ones in CS were offered >100k straight out of undergrad. Several years later, all are either making >200k (including benefits) or pursuing PhDs at other top engineering programs. Several had GPAs less than 3.

Same story with consulting/investment banking.

Most people here couldn’t get into a top tier undergrad. Medicine you can get from a decent undergrad

 

[deleted1011020]

Personally, one of the reasons I chose medicine is because it involves life long learning. In other careers, your education significantly stops as soon as you leave a college campus and I'm not sure if I can tolerate a lack of mental stimulation for that long. I never want to leave an academic setting. It keeps you young.

This x10000. I love school and honestly cant imagine a life where im not perpetually improving and learning

 

[Dracula5000]

There is no other profession that offers the kind of salary that a physician receives (period). Sure there will always be outliers in other professions, however there is no disputing that vast majority of folks will barely break six figures, may get laid off or even be forced to change careers. People don’t go into medicine because it improves their HEALTH, they go into simply because it improves their personal bank account. They may say things like I want to help others, or they experienced a personal medical tragedy or major illness. While that may be true, most of the times it’s all Nonsense, given the fact of how much you sacrifice.
The fact of the matter is no other profession offers the prestige, respect and guaranteed monetary outcome as being a doctor.

 

[Postictal Raiden]

Thing is, even that can be done. My W2 says that I’ve made $280,350 so far this year, I have loans but they’re being paid for me by my employer, and I’ve not had to fork over a cent for them yet. I work 26clinical hours per week, and have 3 day weekends nearly every week (I sometimes take a very light weekend of inpatient medicine call). I’m less than 2 years out of residency, don’t even have a full sized patient panel established yet.

And I’m a primary care doc, in a field that usually trades places with peds for being the lowest paid in the country.

I love my job, independent of the pay. But they pay and benefits certainly help.

That’s a pretty good deal. Is this a subsidized position or are you generating enough revenue to cover for all this plus overhead?

 

[libertyyne]

Because young people don't listen and old people are full of ****

 

[SLC]

That’s a pretty good deal. Is this a subsidized position or are you generating enough revenue to cover for all this plus overhead?

I’m employed, so I don’t deal directly with overhead. And this is salary. I’m very close to the production hurdle, at which point my salary is set to go up sharply (likely to the $330-350k range all else being equal). They want me to be averaging a certain number of RVU’s consistently before they move me to productIon model, and I’ve been meeting or exceeding that hurdle for the past 3 months.

 

[ToothJockey]

Imma disagree with you there. If you go to a top college, like my friends and I did, without exception the ones in CS were offered >100k straight out of undergrad. Several years later, all are either making >200k (including benefits) or pursuing PhDs at other top engineering programs. Several had GPAs less than 3.

Same story with consulting/investment banking.

That’s still not 300k+. A specialist could double or triple their CS or PhD income. Not to mention a lot of these tech folks are forced to live in HCOL areas, where 200k doesn’t go that far...


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[DJay4534533]

dentist.Anesthetist. Podiatrist. Vet.

Most Vets feel under appreciated, and if I’m not mistaken, I think their median salary is below $100K.

Idk much about the anesthetists & podiatrists, but I assume there’s a reason people don’t immediately go for those careers.

Dentists have nice lifestyles, but how many people really want to look at teeth for their whole career?

 

[ToothJockey]

Dentists have nice lifestyles, but how many people really want to look at teeth for their whole career?

Ay man chill lmao, work to live not live to work


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[DJay4534533]

Ay man chill lmao, work to live not live to work


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Yea, but...at some point if you really hate the field you’re in, the lifestyle doesn’t matter. Like Dermatology offers one of the best lifestyles in the medical field, but I honestly think I would cry (into my benjamins) after work everyday because I can’t imagine having to look at skin boils all day.

 

[ToothJockey]

Yea, but...at some point if you really hate the field you’re in, the lifestyle doesn’t matter. Like Dermatology offers one of the best lifestyles in the medical field, but I honestly think I would cry (into my benjamins) after work everyday because I can’t imagine having to look at skin boils all day.

True, I agree with that, but some people don’t mind teeth. Just like some people don’t mind skin (derms) or some people dont mind butt stuff (GI). I personally wanna be an oral surgeon, so I can expand my scope of practice beyond only teeth, but I don’t mind teeth. I don’t have a tooth fetish or anything haha.

If you wanna have a 30 year career though, its important to do what you like. I could never work in finance, or tech, or law or anything else. But I could definitely work in medicine or dentistry.


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[nimbus]

Meh. I had stereotypical Asian parents. They wanted me to do medicine and did as I was told. I had the grades to get in and I didn't feel strongly about anything else. So here I am. I'm happy in my job; it pays well and enjoy the work. Hard to say what I would have done in hindsight. But I've gotten what I want out of my career; and, funnily enough, the longer you work, the more you come to realise that your work isn't life, your work just pays for you to have a life -- that is, it really doesn't really matter what specialty or career track you choose, as long as it has a stable income and you enjoy it, and more importantly, you come home and spend it with your family and friends. If this job has taught me anything: life is short.

Same story. Asian parents told me what to do. I had good grades/test scores and I couldn’t think of anything better to do with my life so I didn’t object. It turned out better than my dreams. Enjoy the work very much and I get a daily reminder that many people, i.e. patients, have MUCH harder lives than me. I still got both legs and both kidneys. Feels like I won the lotto.

 

[NeuResurgens]

Yea, but...at some point if you really hate the field you’re in, the lifestyle doesn’t matter. Like Dermatology offers one of the best lifestyles in the medical field, but I honestly think I would cry (into my benjamins) after work everyday because I can’t imagine having to look at skin boils all day.

I'm the same about derm. Great lifestyle and the people in it seem to love it, but you've gotta like skin to some degree and I think it's just gross

 

[iqe2010]

There’s a cardiology group not far from me that had both father and son working there. They had the same name too, dad was Jr. and son was the 3rd. Jr worked into his 80s and is now retired and the son still works.

Definitely an interesting dynamic. Working with your dad and you guys are both cardiologists. Since the names are the same I always wondered if there was confusion on the administrative stuff.

 

[Meerkatology]

I'm currently in medical school right now, and I would guesstimate that literally about half of my class has a parent whose a doctor. Of that percentage, I would say about 10% of them have two parents that are doctors.

So, just curious...and I'd love to hear from people who have parents that are doctors..but what REALLY made you go into medicine despite knowing the long, hard road that lies ahead of you? You were never scared away from being a doctor, after seeing all the hours mom/dad puts in and how rarely they are home? Also, I imagine most doctor parents would steer their children away from medicine (at least thats what I've always heard)? What made you do it anyway?

i went into medicine because im asian... no really that was kind of the thing to do.

i don't feel burnt out, but i've only worked for 5 years as a nocturnist so my volume isn't high and i dont deal with alot of the annoying social stuff.

i'm glad i went into medicine, but the whole helping people thing isn't the reason, although sometimes i feel good about doing so. other times its just a job, lets face it, im an internal med hospitalist, and a large portion of my patients are: demented/90+yrs old/have 100 medical problems/no quality of life. my job is to do what they wish, if they/their family wants them to live, then i try to make it happen, but i don't feel like im actually helping them in anyway.

so yes, sometimes its rewarding, sometimes it kinda sux, but i'd still take medicine over any other job. it pays well, hours are good, and i dont dislike it, isn't that enough of a dream job? after all, a job is a job, even if its your dream job, you probably enjoy 10% of it and the other 90% are still chores.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

i went into medicine because im asian... no really that was kind of the thing to do.

i don't feel burnt out, but i've only worked for 5 years as a nocturnist so my volume isn't high and i dont deal with alot of the annoying social stuff.

i'm glad i went into medicine, but the whole helping people thing isn't the reason, although sometimes i feel good about doing so. other times its just a job, lets face it, im an internal med hospitalist, and a large portion of my patients are: demented/90+yrs old/have 100 medical problems/no quality of life. my job is to do what they wish, if they/their family wants them to live, then i try to make it happen, but i don't feel like im actually helping them in anyway.

so yes, sometimes its rewarding, sometimes it kinda sux, but i'd still take medicine over any other job. it pays well, hours are good, and i dont dislike it, isn't that enough of a dream job? after all, a job is a job, even if its your dream job, you probably enjoy 10% of it and the other 90% are still chores.

I think going in with too much idealism can actually be a problem for those exact reasons you've mentioned.

 

[managedcarefin]

Because it's a job that pays a lot of money, all things being relative.

 

[NITRAS]

The f!?@....

I didn’t know that was an option...

For a bit I used to watch bowling on television. Never played it myself. But those guys are machines. You can get a real appreciation for the difficulty of 300 games on multiple lanes.

If I was to pick a random career, profession Starcraft player. I’m sure Maru or Serral make bank. At least a couple others make good money too.

 

[BigPikachu]

i went into medicine because im asian... no really that was kind of the thing to do.

i don't feel burnt out, but i've only worked for 5 years as a nocturnist so my volume isn't high and i dont deal with alot of the annoying social stuff.

i'm glad i went into medicine, but the whole helping people thing isn't the reason, although sometimes i feel good about doing so. other times its just a job, lets face it, im an internal med hospitalist, and a large portion of my patients are: demented/90+yrs old/have 100 medical problems/no quality of life. my job is to do what they wish, if they/their family wants them to live, then i try to make it happen, but i don't feel like im actually helping them in anyway.

so yes, sometimes its rewarding, sometimes it kinda sux, but i'd still take medicine over any other job. it pays well, hours are good, and i dont dislike it, isn't that enough of a dream job? after all, a job is a job, even if its your dream job, you probably enjoy 10% of it and the other 90% are still chores.

Take the good with the bad. Every job has its upsides and downsides; boredoms and excitement. Between the Family Med and Hospitalist workl, I've seen most of the same patients for the last couple decades in my small town, and despite the repetitive boredom trance I find myself in some days, I usually wake up to the humbling thought that it's a privelege to be able to grow old with my patients and their families; to manage the palliative cares of the grandad one day, and then do the routine vaccinations of the grandchild the next day. It's a stable job that pays well, but I do genuinely enjoy it.

... well, except maybe the PapSmears.

 

[Cornfed101]

The f!?@....

I didn’t know that was an option...

My 23 year old brother-in-law was just drafted to the NFL in the 6th round and is making $650k a year... “hey bro, wanna fund my med school??”

 

[PieOHmy]

Take the good with the bad. Every job has its upsides and downsides; boredoms and excitement. Between the Family Med and Hospitalist workl, I've seen most of the same patients for the last couple decades in my small town, and despite the repetitive boredom trance I find myself in some days, I usually wake up to the humbling thought that it's a privelege to be able to grow old with my patients and their families; to manage the palliative cares of the grandad one day, and then do the routine vaccinations of the grandchild the next day. It's a stable job that pays well, but I do genuinely enjoy it.

... well, except maybe the PapSmears.

Youre in ****ing australia... WHole diff ballgame over there mate

 

[PieOHmy]

it pays well, hours are good, and i dont dislike it, isn't that enough of a dream job? after all, a job is a job, even if its your dream job, you probably enjoy 10% of it and the other 90% are still chores.

Oh yea, great sell to train 12 years at a job.. "i dont dislike it" ....

 

[nimbus]

There’s a cardiology group not far from me that had both father and son working there. They had the same name too, dad was Jr. and son was the 3rd. Jr worked into his 80s and is now retired and the son still works.

Definitely an interesting dynamic. Working with your dad and you guys are both cardiologists. Since the names are the same I always wondered if there was confusion on the administrative stuff.

We have several families like that on staff where I work. It’s actually very cool to be working with the dad (bariatrics) for years and hear all the stories, then one day the son (Ortho/hand) shows up out of fellowship and starts booking his own cases. Especially since they are both very good guys. We’ve had others 2 sets of father/son GS/GS, and a father/daughter also GS/GS.

 

[nimbus]

Imma disagree with you there. If you go to a top college, like my friends and I did, without exception the ones in CS were offered >100k straight out of undergrad. Several years later, all are either making >200k (including benefits) or pursuing PhDs at other top engineering programs. Several had GPAs less than 3.

Same story with consulting/investment banking.

I started out as a biomedical engineer and my GPA would definitely have been under 3.0 if I stuck with it. That major was a s***-ton of work. I switched to biology and had >3.8. Engineering is harder than the vast majority of majors that premeds do.

 

[Meerkatology]

Imma disagree with you there. If you go to a top college, like my friends and I did, without exception the ones in CS were offered >100k straight out of undergrad. Several years later, all are either making >200k (including benefits) or pursuing PhDs at other top engineering programs. Several had GPAs less than 3.

Same story with consulting/investment banking.

i highly doubt CS majors can get >100k straight out of undergrad anywhere outside of the silicon valley.
and 200k in the silicon valley doesn't mean u make a good living. 100k in the silicon valley means food stamps after ur 6k monthly rent.

the whole investment banking thing... again likely geographically limited, wall street cost of living? they also work extremely hard. there is no job security like medicine, u cant just graduate and know u have job, u have to get lucky and find a good one, have connections etc. and most importantly - work your way up. u don't just start at the top , like u do after residency. it doenst feel that much different tbh.

the point is not every finance major is raking in 300k in wallstreet, probably a very small%. while every med school graduate is more or less guarenteed to have a job with a good , stable income barring extenuating circumstances

 

[Cornfed101]

i highly doubt CS majors can get >100k straight out of undergrad anywhere outside of the silicon valley.
and 200k in the silicon valley doesn't mean u make a good living. 100k in the silicon valley means food stamps after ur 6k monthly rent.

I worked for Epic in Wisconsin and many of the programmers made $100k to start right out of undergrad. You are working like a dog there, but it is good pay.

 

[Meerkatology]

I worked for Epic in Wisconsin and many of the programmers made $100k to start right out of undergrad. You are working like a dog there, but it is good pay.

ya i mean how much u work matters, if ur doing 60+ hrs a week for 100k thats not a good gig.

as a IM hospitalist with only a 3yr residency, if u are willing to work nights, and work hard, u can easily go up to 400k+
most of us are on 7 on 7 off schedules. and generally have more vacation/flexiblity than the average job.
like i can literally take a vacation every month without using any vacation days just by arranging shifts together

from a pure monetary perspective, the extra years of school are still worth it imo.

 

[Cornfed101]

ya i mean how much u work matters, if ur doing 60+ hrs a week for 100k thats not a good gig.

as a IM hospitalist with only a 3yr residency, if u are willing to work nights, and work hard, u can easily go up to 400k+
most of us are on 7 on 7 off schedules. and generally have more vacation/flexiblity than the average job.
like i can literally take a vacation every month without using any vacation days just by arranging shifts together

from a pure monetary perspective, the extra years of school are still worth it imo.

It is very difficult to make as much per hour as physicians are able to make, and it is basically guaranteed if can make it through med school and residency. That guarantee is very uncommon outside of medicine.

 

[NITRAS]

To be fair, median hospitalist makes just shy of $300k ($294k based on my paycheck, I have base comp that is based on % of median of 3 national averages). Makes it really hard to want to specialize. I'd lose out in like a million bucks in compensation in you include the whole package, with a good chunk in retirement accounts.

A few in our group also cover a SNF for an extra $100k+.

I know you can work hard and get to $400k-$500k, but all seem like those jobs are a lot of work.

 

[hallowmann]

i highly doubt CS majors can get >100k straight out of undergrad anywhere outside of the silicon valley.
and 200k in the silicon valley doesn't mean u make a good living. 100k in the silicon valley means food stamps after ur 6k monthly rent.

the whole investment banking thing... again likely geographically limited, wall street cost of living? they also work extremely hard. there is no job security like medicine, u cant just graduate and know u have job, u have to get lucky and find a good one, have connections etc. and most importantly - work your way up. u don't just start at the top , like u do after residency. it doenst feel that much different tbh.

the point is not every finance major is raking in 300k in wallstreet, probably a very small%. while every med school graduate is more or less guarenteed to have a job with a good , stable income barring extenuating circumstances

My undergrad was a top 5 CS school not in silicon valley. People made at least $85k out of undergrad in industry. Many made $100k+, but they were working for big companies (ones with base campuses in Silicon Valley, although their workplace was not in Silicon Valley). Many of those jobs were technically 9-5, but that's kind of meaningless, because as programmers, their schedule was project/product driven. They worked hard closer to deadlines and much less after them.

In any case, its apples and oranges. To actually be good at programming you have to enjoy it and want to put in thousands of hours doing it. Sure, there's some overlap with people with those interests in medicine, but not a lot.

 

[ToothJockey]

This thread itself shows why so many doctors are miserable. They’re too busy sizing up to other professions to validate their choice of becoming a doctor. Fact: there will always be someone who has a cushier job than you, more $/hr than you. It doesn’t matter if you’re a neurosurgeon making $2.5 mil a year, there’s an 8 year old kid who makes $26 million a year uploading toy videos to youtube.

My point: Who cares? That’s not what happiness is about. You still have it better than 99.99999% of humans to have ever lived on this planet. Focus on living your life to the fullest.

I can’t believe this thread is still going on lmao. Physicians are no more miserable than your average person. It’s up to the individual to decide whether they want to be miserable or not.


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[PieOHmy]

This thread itself shows why so many doctors are miserable. They’re too busy sizing up to other professions to validate their choice of becoming a doctor. Fact: there will always be someone who has a cushier job than you, more $/hr than you. It doesn’t matter if you’re a neurosurgeon making $2.5 mil a year, there’s an 8 year old kid who makes $26 million a year uploading toy videos to youtube.

My point: Who cares? That’s not what happiness is about. You still have it better than 99.99999% of humans to have ever lived on this planet. Focus on living your life to the fullest.

I can’t believe this thread is still going on lmao. Physicians are no more miserable than your average person. It’s up to the individual to decide whether they want to be miserable or not.


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Dude, I don't think you can weigh in about the state of miserable doctors without even spent 1 min in any of our shoes.
That's the problem with SDN people weigh in on things they have zero idea or facts about.

 

[ToothJockey]

Dude, I don't think you can weigh in about the state of miserable doctors without even spent 1 min in any of our shoes.
That's the problem with SDN people weigh in on things they have zero idea or facts about.

Look sorry man, I don't mean to downplay the real problems (mental/physical) doctors have to deal with which can make them miserable, I'm just saying EVERYONE is capable of being miserable. Being miserable is not exclusive to physicians. If you're so miserable as a doctor, then you can always stop being a doctor and pursue some of these other careers in which you believe nobody is miserable. Best case- you end up happy. Worse case- you're still miserable and you gain a new perspective on life.

 

[PieOHmy]

Look sorry man, I don't mean to downplay the real problems (mental/physical) doctors have to deal with which can make them miserable, I'm just saying EVERYONE is capable of being miserable. Being miserable is not exclusive to physicians. If you're so miserable as a doctor, then you can always stop being a doctor and pursue some of these other careers in which you believe nobody is miserable. Best case- you end up happy. Worse case- you're still miserable and you gain a new perspective on life.

Again, you should just stop now..
".....and just purseue some of these other carreers"..
WHy didnt i think of that? Thanks.