if FA memorized what step1 can u expect?

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if one has FA memorized cover to cover and did nothing else to prep, what step1 score can you expect?

 

[DrDre']

Taking the test tomorrow.

Here's my guess...

275 with the background to actually analyse the questions

235 with pure memorization

Let you know tomorrow night.

I memorized it so I am shooting for a 275 (whatever...)

 

[giznut12]

Is it really possible to memorize all of FA? That would be impressive.

 

[flighterdoc]

Taking the test tomorrow.

Here's my guess...

275 with the background to actually analyse the questions

235 with pure memorization

Let you know tomorrow night.

I memorized it so I am shooting for a 275 (whatever...)

Is the median 215 and the SD 20? THen a 275 would be 3 SD's above mean, or 99.7+ percentile.

Good luck!

 

[DrDre']

Hence, my sarcasm

Anyone who can actually memorize all of FA probably is smart enough to not have to.

Plus, I am assuming there will be some analysis or thinking involved on the real test. That can not be memorized.

 

[flighterdoc]

Hence, my sarcasm

Anyone who can actually memorize all of FA probably is smart enough to not have to.

Plus, I am assuming there will be some analysis or thinking involved on the real test. That can not be memorized.

Well, there's a Ross MS-III over on valuemd that claims she got a 265 on the test. That is still a very good score, 98+ percentile.

Of course, she seems to have some .... other..... issues, so ymmv.

 

[BlackPuma]

Well, there's a Ross MS-III over on valuemd that claims she got a 265 on the test. That is still a very good score, 98+ percentile.

Of course, she seems to have some .... other..... issues, so ymmv.

Is Ross, a carribean school?

 

[flighterdoc]

Is Ross, a carribean school?

Yes, one of the big three.

 

[mjl1717]

Yep, its carribean
Think its on the island of Dominica

 

[Stinger86]

I obviously have nothing of substance to support what I'm about to claim, but I think that if you did nothing more than absolutely memorize all of First Aid (and I mean memorize it ALL), and had no real basic science background, you probably wouldn't pass, not even close (unless you're an unimaginably good guesser). If you did the memorization thing but you at least had a semi-decent basic science background, you'd probably at least pass, but not much more than that.

I say this because First Aid is designed to be a review and recall text. It reviews things that are considered to be high yield, but it's also implied that you're going to recall additional facts about an organism, disease, drug, process, etc. when presented with only a few basic "high yield" tid-bits. To do really well on the Step 1, you're going to need to do this recall, because a majority of the questions require "extra" knowledge, and not just a bank of high yield facts (the slight majority of my exam required knowledge of "low yield" facts and/or additional information learned from my courses.)

When I was a first year student, a lot of people told me to study just First Aid, and I'll pass. Maybe not with a good score, but I would pass. I don't think this cuts it today. I really think the NBME is onto this "study one review book and pass" crap and are starting to incorporate either more "thinking" questions, or questions dealing with lesser known but still important topics. Just my feelings on the subject..

 

[tega]

I obviously have nothing of substance to support what I'm about to claim, but I think that if you did nothing more than absolutely memorize all of First Aid (and I mean memorize it ALL), and had no real basic science background, you probably wouldn't pass, not even close (unless you're an unimaginably good guesser). If you did the memorization thing but you at least had a semi-decent basic science background, you'd probably at least pass, but not much more than that.

I say this because First Aid is designed to be a review and recall text. It reviews things that are considered to be high yield, but it's also implied that you're going to recall additional facts about an organism, disease, drug, process, etc. when presented with only a few basic "high yield" tid-bits. To do really well on the Step 1, you're going to need to do this recall, because a majority of the questions require "extra" knowledge, and not just a bank of high yield facts (the slight majority of my exam required knowledge of "low yield" facts and/or additional information learned from my courses.)

When I was a first year student, a lot of people told me to study just First Aid, and I'll pass. Maybe not with a good score, but I would pass. I don't think this cuts it today. I really think the NBME is onto this "study one review book and pass" crap and are starting to incorporate either more "thinking" questions, or questions dealing with lesser known but still important topics. Just my feelings on the subject..

i couldnt agree more..."memorizing first aid" is the most abused phrase in the hx of medicine...

even hypocrates himself said.."above all else...memorizing first aid is futile"

 

[musicman1991]

Sorry to say this question is ridiculous. No one knows for sure, but if you are able to memorize every word in first aid (including the rapid review/zebra section) i'd say your score will be high enough for whatever residency you want.

 

[chandler742]

A fourth year medical student once told me that there seems to be two common complaints about first aid.

Students that score 230+ say, "I wish I studied more First Aid."
Students that fail the exam say, "I wish I studied more than First Aid"

Seems like a paradox doesn't it?

 

[BrooklynDO]

A fourth year medical student once told me that there seems to be two common complaints about first aid.

Students that score 230+ say, "I wish I studied more First Aid."
Students that fail the exam say, "I wish I studied more than First Aid"

Seems like a paradox doesn't it?

probably not
the 230+ wanted a few extra Q's that they could have gotten out of first aid, and the ones that failed know that without actual knowledge, you cant apply those bits of data

 

[chandler742]

probably not
the 230+ wanted a few extra Q's that they could have gotten out of first aid, and the ones that failed know that without actual knowledge, you cant apply those bits of data

I agree with you 100%. It is a paradox.

A reminder, Paradox is a comment that seems to contradict itself but is actually true.

 

[BrooklynDO]

I agree with you 100%. It is a paradox.

A reminder, Paradox is a comment that seems to contradict itself but is actually true.

right , however, since it didnt seem like something that contradicts itself (in my mind) i wont call it a paradox
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