If you are one of the 1-2% who don't match

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You're informed on Monday of match week that you didn't match, and start working to find a spot in the SOAP. If all goes well you attend and are given your results of the SOAP match, and no one is the wiser.
 
Are you in attendance at the matching ceremony at your school, but they don't hand you an envelope??
Or are you notified much beforehand?
Our program gives unmatched/unSOAPed students the option of not attending or attending. If they attend, they participate in the ceremony and get an envelope just as everyone else in an effort to conceal that they didn't match.
 
Our program gives unmatched/unSOAPed students the option of not attending or attending. If they attend, they participate in the ceremony and get an envelope just as everyone else in an effort to conceal that they didn't match.

What do the empty envelope people say when others start asking them where they matched?

Lies upon lies.
 
I'm not going to my match day thing anyway. I don't think its professional at all, for the very reasons brought up in this thread. The fact that a school is going to outwardly lie to everyone and give the kids a false envelope just shows what a stupid tradition it is. I'd rather spend a relaxing day finding where I matched on my own.
 
I'm not going to my match day thing anyway. I don't think its professional at all, for the very reasons brought up in this thread. The fact that a school is going to outwardly lie to everyone and give the kids a false envelope just shows what a stupid tradition it is. I'd rather spend a relaxing day finding where I matched on my own.

I agree that the theatrics of it are a bit ridiculous, but I would still encourage you to go if only to get a sense of camaraderie. There were a bunch of events that happened after the ceremony, but I pretty much got my envelope, opened it, asked where my good friends matched, and left. I thought it was a fun, if somewhat self-important, experience.
 
Our program gives unmatched/unSOAPed students the option of not attending or attending. If they attend, they participate in the ceremony and get an envelope just as everyone else in an effort to conceal that they didn't match.

Until the match list comes out and their name is conspicuously absent...
 
What do the empty envelope people say when others start asking them where they matched?

Lies upon lies.

thats pretty pathetic

Until the match list comes out and their name is conspicuously absent...

It's up to the students. The school is not coercing them or 'lying' about it. They are simply offering them an option. Some people are really embarrassed not to match and will do it just to save face while others will stay home for the same reason. Most of us that matched are so ecstatic that we're not going to scour through the match list to figure out who's not on it. Our class is 230 students, our list says 8 didn't match. Who has the time to go through that list to figure out who's not on it?
 
I'm not going to my match day thing anyway. I don't think its professional at all, for the very reasons brought up in this thread. The fact that a school is going to outwardly lie to everyone and give the kids a false envelope just shows what a stupid tradition it is. I'd rather spend a relaxing day finding where I matched on my own.
I agree that it's a silly tradition. I am happy that I matched my number 2 but I resent that I had to find that out in a public forum. My initial gut reaction was sadness because number 1 is where my entire family resides. But I had to suck it up and smile because we were at the ceremony. . Of course I got over it and am now ecstatic about going to one of my top choices.
 
It isn't nearly the same, but I had to take a short leave of absence at my nursing school in order to resolve a family crisis... and that put me off track to graduate with my class. I wasn't permitted to participate in the graduation ceremony with my classmates, but I went as a guest in order to watch them. I had made a lot of friends, and had personally carried a few of them through A&P via my study guides and sessions, so it meant a lot to me to see them have their special moments.

I don't like all that drama for myself, and I'd probably be with @NickNaylor on this. It would be worth it to me to go to support friends and see them enjoy their triumph (or be there to comfort them if they found themselves going to their rank 16).
 
It really isn't pathetic. Kudos to the school for allowing their students to save face if they want to show up to find out where their friends matched and enjoy some refreshments.
lol if you did not match, you would have to be a very shallow/emotionally blunted person to care 1% about "refreshments".
 
It really is an incredibly pretentious ceremony. Matched or not, I have no plans to attend.
I just find the whole process pretty sickening myself. You have to pay the exorbitant vigorish to the corrupt Guild to have your name placed into the hat, spend another fortune traipsing around the country, and then wait for the slime balls to hand you a piece of paper with your marching orders from the Sorting Hat.
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I don't get the whole " finding out where your friends matched" angle either. I can find that out on the press release, or I can just talk to them.... I don't think most people know the programs in other specialties so I have no idea how you could have any feelings about someone matching at xyz program in portland besides " cool."

It's kinda hilarious how there's all this talk of "unprofessionalism" meanwhile schools are basically parading around where their kids matched and shaming the ones that didn't, along with asking me to be there another day I wouldn't otherwise have to be. No thanks.
 
There should be a national conference/meeting held for those that did not match in order to find opportunities for them. Forget the ones who did match, they are fine. How about we help those that didn't match?

I'm being quarantined with a zombie with no protective gear. I want to work!
 
I'm sure these are the same people who were complaining about white coat ceremonies four years ago.

Those evil schools having a celebration of the culmination of four years of hard work. Who could possibly enjoy celebrating a major milestone with their colleagues, friends and families?
 
I'm sure these are the same people who were complaining about white coat ceremonies four years ago.

Those evil schools having a celebration of the culmination of four years of hard work. Who could possibly enjoy celebrating a major milestone with their colleagues, friends and families?
To first part:
Or post-match blues
Or relationships
Or everything else relating to medical school.

Second part: I know I enjoy celebrating milestones with my colleagues/friends Johnnie Walker, Laphroaig, Yamazaki and MaCallan.
 
I'm sure these are the same people who were complaining about white coat ceremonies four years ago.

Those evil schools having a celebration of the culmination of four years of hard work. Who could possibly enjoy celebrating a major milestone with their colleagues, friends and families?
It's one thing for a school to celebrate a match, the culmination of a students hard work. The white coat ceremony felt like a 'welcome to med school, have a derpy little coat you'll not see again for two years'.
 
I'm sure these are the same people who were complaining about white coat ceremonies four years ago.

Those evil schools having a celebration of the culmination of four years of hard work. Who could possibly enjoy celebrating a major milestone with their colleagues, friends and families?
You have to admit white coat ceremonies are incredibly stupid and a complete waste of time. It's literally a celebration over NOTHING. It's a very recent addition to medical school, and I think it has a lot to do with the declining quality of education. I've noticed an inverse correlation between quality of curriculum and administrative ceremonializing. This is not unique to medical education at all, it is simply another form of bread and circuses appeasement.
 
You have to admit white coat ceremonies are incredibly stupid and a complete waste of time. It's literally a celebration over NOTHING. It's a very recent addition to medical school, and I think it has a lot to do with the declining quality of education. I've noticed an inverse correlation between quality of curriculum and administrative ceremonializing. This is not unique to medical education at all, it is simply another form of bread and circuses appeasement.

No, I don't have to admit that. Starting medical school is a major milestone and an achievement in and of itself. I see no problem having a small celebratory ceremony to welcome you to the profession.
 
yeah, at my school you probably would just not show up. Because we have to put where we matched on a map. kinda hard to put nothing on the map and show a blank page to everyone....
I think if I didn't match, "refreshments" and my friends are exactly what I'd want.
What do the empty envelope people say when others start asking them where they matched?
Lies upon lies.

Not matching does not equal not having a residency spot. With almost zero exceptions, the unmatched students have found spots before the ceremony.

One guy my year showed up to the ceremony in a jersey from the place he scrambled into.
 
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You have to admit white coat ceremonies are incredibly stupid and a complete waste of time. It's literally a celebration over NOTHING. It's a very recent addition to medical school, and I think it has a lot to do with the declining quality of education. I've noticed an inverse correlation between quality of curriculum and administrative ceremonializing. This is not unique to medical education at all, it is simply another form of bread and circuses appeasement.

or if you're gonna do white coat, why not do it before 3rd year, to like celebrate half the journey being over and moving into the hospital setting? I don't know of any other education platforms that celebrate the first month of the program starting, seeing as there's no logical reason to.
 
I just find the whole process pretty sickening myself. You have to pay the exorbitant vigorish to the corrupt Guild to have your name placed into the hat, spend another fortune traipsing around the country, and then wait for the slime balls to hand you a piece of paper with your marching orders from the Sorting Hat.
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Believe it or not, it was actually much worse for everyone involved (and most so for students) before the Match. It exists for a reason.
 
I'm sure these are the same people who were complaining about white coat ceremonies four years ago.

Those evil schools having a celebration of the culmination of four years of hard work. Who could possibly enjoy celebrating a major milestone with their colleagues, friends and families?
I just kind of see it as a pointless additional ceremony. I'll go to graduation, but I'm not going to some Match ceremony.
 
or if you're gonna do white coat, why not do it before 3rd year, to like celebrate half the journey being over and moving into the hospital setting? I don't know of any other education platforms that celebrate the first month of the program starting, seeing as there's no logical reason to.
We did white coat after the first block, so it kind of felt like surviving the initial transition to medical school. We lost a few people in those days, and it felt good to be the survivors. I went, but mostly for my family rather than myself, as it was a really big event for my mother and I'm the first person in my family to go to graduate school of any sort.
 
Match day was better attended than graduation at my school. Many people commented that graduation felt like an afterthought in comparison.
Interesting. I feel like Match Day is just so fraught with disappointment and feels that it's just not a great day for a celebration. Even the people who match are often crushed and have to hide it. I'd much rather do a graduation thing, where everyone has kind of dealt with their fate and just wants to enjoy surviving.
 
Interesting. I feel like Match Day is just so fraught with disappointment and feels that it's just not a great day for a celebration. Even the people who match are often crushed and have to hide it. I'd much rather do a graduation thing, where everyone has kind of dealt with their fate and just wants to enjoy surviving.

Different ceremonies for different people. Graduation was a time for the family, grandparents, etc to show up, and eat at a nice resturant together, go thru the formal stuff...

Match day was the kickoff of a 4 day bender.
 
No, I don't have to admit that. Starting medical school is a major milestone and an achievement in and of itself. I see no problem having a small celebratory ceremony to welcome you to the profession.
You aren't actually being welcomed to the profession, though. You have 0 credentials and have yet to prove you are worthy of actually entering the guild. One school nearby this year just added another party for 1st years - "A pinning ceremony.." Apparently the M1s get a special pin placed on there white coats by M2s. And then M2 year they have another white coat ceremony. It's a pattern of completely idiotic ceremony to celebrate achieving absolutely nothing yet.
 
Believe it or not, it was actually much worse for everyone involved (and most so for students) before the Match. It exists for a reason.
Not really, it was mostly better for the students because they could independently contract their services with hospitals on their own time, no need for a million new fees to participate in a centralized system.
 
Not really, it was mostly better for the students because they could independently contract their services with hospitals on their own time, no need for a million new fees to participate in a centralized system.
The problem for students was mostly that without a centralized system, they would get strung along by residencies. Low-ranking residencies would hardball students with a "Well, if you want to be a surgeon, you can sign this contract now, but if you leave this room, the deal is off the table" while high-ranking residencies would interview long and late, forcing people to gamble on not taking the hardball offers if they wanted someplace prestigious. Institutions would often end up with unmatched spots, due to indecision and a lack of coordination provided by a central matching system. It was a mess.
 
Some people just like to complain and will find anything to pick on and shoehorn into their preconceived negative framework.

The match is bad, the schools are bad, the white coat ceremony is bad. We get it, med schools are all evil.

Head and neck anatomy would have been better served if Mr. Mackey taught it.

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A somewhat recent paper about pressures on out-of-match applicants. I couldn't access the data but the abstract describes some of the tensions that the applicants felt.

Not really, it was mostly better for the students because they could independently contract their services with hospitals on their own time, no need for a million new fees to participate in a centralized system.
 
To first part:
Or post-match blues
Or relationships
Or everything else relating to medical school.

Second part: I know I enjoy celebrating milestones with my colleagues/friends Johnnie Walker, Laphroaig, Yamazaki and MaCallan.

:vomit:
 
You aren't actually being welcomed to the profession, though. You have 0 credentials and have yet to prove you are worthy of actually entering the guild. One school nearby this year just added another party for 1st years - "A pinning ceremony.." Apparently the M1s get a special pin placed on there white coats by M2s. And then M2 year they have another white coat ceremony. It's a pattern of completely idiotic ceremony to celebrate achieving absolutely nothing yet.


AAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

No way

no way

M2's get a pin on them by M1's? HAHAHAHAHHAA

I've never heard of this. I thought ~my~ school had my head up its own ass...we weren't even near the gluteal fold

Seriously though I bet the same people that get real excited over this stuff are the same people that go to parties and steer the conversation toward them being a doctor. Or somehow bring it up wherever they go. You're not better than anyone else just because you're a doctor. Don't talk about it every chance you get. Don't celebrate every six weeks what you accomplished in the last month. That's something I do for my nephew when he could walk 10 steps without falling instead of 5. The crap we do just amazes me.

I don't mind graduation. I'll go to that. Then I'll get a nice big steak. That's the only celebration 4 years of medical school needs.

oh man..."pinning ceremony"....lol....
 
AAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

No way

no way

M2's get a pin on them by M1's? HAHAHAHAHHAA

I've never heard of this. I thought ~my~ school had my head up its own ass...we weren't even near the gluteal fold

Seriously though I bet the same people that get real excited over this stuff are the same people that go to parties and steer the conversation toward them being a doctor. Or somehow bring it up wherever they go. You're not better than anyone else just because you're a doctor. Don't talk about it every chance you get. Don't celebrate every six weeks what you accomplished in the last month. That's something I do for my nephew when he could walk 10 steps without falling instead of 5. The crap we do just amazes me.

I don't mind graduation. I'll go to that. Then I'll get a nice big steak. That's the only celebration 4 years of medical school needs.

oh man..."pinning ceremony"....lol....

Sounds like something sororities do when they bring in new members...
 
AAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

No way

no way

M2's get a pin on them by M1's? HAHAHAHAHHAA

I've never heard of this. I thought ~my~ school had my head up its own ass...we weren't even near the gluteal fold

Seriously though I bet the same people that get real excited over this stuff are the same people that go to parties and steer the conversation toward them being a doctor. Or somehow bring it up wherever they go. You're not better than anyone else just because you're a doctor. Don't talk about it every chance you get. Don't celebrate every six weeks what you accomplished in the last month. That's something I do for my nephew when he could walk 10 steps without falling instead of 5. The crap we do just amazes me.

I don't mind graduation. I'll go to that. Then I'll get a nice big steak. That's the only celebration 4 years of medical school needs.

oh man..."pinning ceremony"....lol....
"ZOMG! 4/15ths done with medical school!11!"
 
No, I don't have to admit that. Starting medical school is a major milestone and an achievement in and of itself. I see no problem having a small celebratory ceremony to welcome you to the profession.

A white coat ceremony is kind of like a wedding ceremony, in the grand scheme of things it may not seem much but you are responsible to support either the patient or the spouse. Both require heck of a lot of money to get one though haha.
 
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AAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

No way

no way

M2's get a pin on them by M1's? HAHAHAHAHHAA

I've never heard of this. I thought ~my~ school had my head up its own ass...we weren't even near the gluteal fold

Seriously though I bet the same people that get real excited over this stuff are the same people that go to parties and steer the conversation toward them being a doctor. Or somehow bring it up wherever they go. You're not better than anyone else just because you're a doctor. Don't talk about it every chance you get. Don't celebrate every six weeks what you accomplished in the last month. That's something I do for my nephew when he could walk 10 steps without falling instead of 5. The crap we do just amazes me.

I don't mind graduation. I'll go to that. Then I'll get a nice big steak. That's the only celebration 4 years of medical school needs.

oh man..."pinning ceremony"....lol....

lmao I am laughing too with you buddy. I would just add match day to celebration worthy days, and I agree. Match day/graduation. Pinning ceremony. What a ****ing joke. Almost as bad as democrats wanting no winners or losers in kids' sports.
 
I just find the whole process pretty sickening myself. You have to pay the exorbitant vigorish to the corrupt Guild to have your name placed into the hat, spend another fortune traipsing around the country, and then wait for the slime balls to hand you a piece of paper with your marching orders from the Sorting Hat.
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I wish there a sorting hat for med school that determined what specialty is perfect for you.

Hmmm, yess, interesting. You could be great in general surgery, yessss, oh what is this? You don't want surgery ehh? Radiology!!
 
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