If you could pick any state (state residency)

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Well it's interesting to hear that several people think NY is a good state. From looking at the numbers, it seems like NY is a more average state than a bad state, in terms of the % of matriculants who end up going to a state school. So I'll also consider staying put.

Looking the references you guys posted, it does seem like Texas is a lot better though, something like 86% who get in end up going to state school, and pay about $10k per year. I'll call the Texas state schools, and make sure I can residency by next year, as I'm self-employed and plan to be a part-time student up until the point I apply. If Texas doesn't work out, I'll consider the other states you guys mentioned which also look pretty decent.

Thanks

The school thing will work against you, I am fairly certain.

The question will be did you move to Texas to attend school, or for a job. Self-employment, while completely legit, will make your bid for Texas residency even tougher to establish.

 

[morning]

The school thing will work against you, I am fairly certain.

The question will be did you move to Texas to attend school, or for a job. Self-employment, while completely legit, will make your bid for Texas residency even tougher to establish.

That doesn't make any sense to me. Most schools don't like it if it looks like you moved to attend school, NOT work. It's easier to change residencies if you have a job because you have paid taxes in the state and therefore deserve to reap the fruits of your revenue.

 

[Squeal]

Actually, I amend my choice to southeast Arkansas. The acceptance rate there is unbelievably high...but it requires you to live in southeast Arkansas long enough to gain residency. I'm not convinced that's worth it.

I don't think it would be worth it either. I definitely wouldn't live there. I can't think of an upside other that the high acceptance rate, and I don't think it's a good idea to live somewhere just to increase your chances at one state school..

That's why I would move to Texas.

 

[flip26]

That doesn't make any sense to me. Most schools don't like it if it looks like you moved to attend school, NOT work. It's easier to change residencies if you have a job because you have paid taxes in the state and therefore deserve to reap the fruits of your revenue.

Well, that poster will move to Texas in, say, May, and then start an academic program in June...prima facie evidence that the reason for the move was to attend school, not to take a job.

Second, it would sell a whole lot better if he moved and took an actual job, not asserting that he is self-employed. Not denigrating self-employment, but employment, along with a W-2, is a lot more convincing.

Bottom line: moving to another state, and shortly thereafter attending college, will likely cast doubt on any claim of state residency.

 

[LRAccord624]

Solution: buy a house/condo/land

Even if for some reason the OP wasn't able to claim residency the first year, many Texas schools (I know UTH for sure) will work with students on claiming residency starting their second year. Plus, OOS in Texas is STILL pretty cheap.

 

[Practitioner]

Solution: buy a house/condo/land

Would this help even if not living in Texas?

I spent half a year applying frantically for jobs before the last application cycle to try and get some offer somewhere. I doubt I'd get an offer into med school with my stats otherwise, which is fine, but certainly I'd try again for residency positions in the future.

 

[7starmantis]

Word, all hail the mighty Texas babay!

I dont think intent can really be considered in determining Texas residency. Its pretty clearly laid out, if you meet the qualification (regardless of intent or reason) you are a resident. TMDSAS doesn't care to argue that with you. I think moving before school, and especially working in the state, and even better if purchasing house/land, etc.

Don't go to Florida a hurricane will eat you.

This actually made me laugh out loud. That doesn't happen often, kudos.

Surfing in hurricanes is where its at!

Absolutely! I've been through so many I can't count them, and growing up by Galveston, I surfed many of them! So that brings up a good point, its not just Florida that has to contend with hurricanes.

On a side note, Hurricane Ike ate all my childhood vaccination records so I'm probably going to have to get like 86,754 shots before starting med school!

 

[krem1234]

Well I called the Texas schools and TMDSAS and getting residency sounds somewhat sketchy:


Texas A & M University System Health Science Center
Can't be attending school - must have a job for 12 months and own property - could work FT in Texas OR own property - not sure about self-employment
call TMDSAS - thinks house + educ would be OK

Texas Tech University
Live over 1 year, get driver's lic, can't be a student -- owning property won't work, but you can be a student if you also have a FT job

University of Texas, Galveston
1 year in Texas - not sure if being a student is OK - check w/ TMDSAS - Said the requirements were the same for schools under TMDSAS

University of Texas, Houston
call TMDSAS

University of Texas, San Antonio
1 year - person in charge of residency rules was out, call back tomorrow

University of Texas, Southwestern
Take orders from TMDSAS, generally 12 months plus a job or not a dependent - student also is OK - diff ways around holding a job, etc.

TMDSAS
Usually a 12-month rule, come in June 2010 - residency by June 2011 - need drivers lic, rental, a job (can be PT), can be a student
Said that TMDSAS determines residency for all state schools, but state schools can have their own requirements as well


So I'm less keen on the plan just due to the sketchiness - it appears that almost every school has their own unique set of requirements.


Curious if anyone has gotten TX residency for med school after moving from out-of-state?

Dave

 

[Mast Cell]

Go Texas or Ohio! A lot of other states have better in-state acceptance rates but they don't have as many schools.

I'm from Pennsylvania...it sucks when it comes to favoring it's residents - I still haven't heard from Temple! There aren't enough state schools here (just Penn State & the new one, TCMC).

 

[DocMcCoy]

Well I called the Texas schools and TMDSAS and getting residency sounds somewhat sketchy:


Texas A & M University System Health Science Center
Can't be attending school - must have a job for 12 months and own property - could work FT in Texas OR own property - not sure about self-employment
call TMDSAS - thinks house + educ would be OK

Texas Tech University
Live over 1 year, get driver's lic, can't be a student -- owning property won't work, but you can be a student if you also have a FT job

University of Texas, Galveston
1 year in Texas - not sure if being a student is OK - check w/ TMDSAS - Said the requirements were the same for schools under TMDSAS

University of Texas, Houston
call TMDSAS

University of Texas, San Antonio
1 year - person in charge of residency rules was out, call back tomorrow

University of Texas, Southwestern
Take orders from TMDSAS, generally 12 months plus a job or not a dependent - student also is OK - diff ways around holding a job, etc.

TMDSAS
Usually a 12-month rule, come in June 2010 - residency by June 2011 - need drivers lic, rental, a job (can be PT), can be a student
Said that TMDSAS determines residency for all state schools, but state schools can have their own requirements as well


So I'm less keen on the plan just due to the sketchiness - it appears that almost every school has their own unique set of requirements.


Curious if anyone has gotten TX residency for med school after moving from out-of-state?

Dave

Yes, I moved to Texas and got permanent residency through the National Guard. It is a long uninteresting story but I know a lot of people that have done it this way.

I don't know what you mean by sketchy. The requirements are similar for all of the Texas schools. One year living in state, have to work and or own property. As for having a drivers license that is something you do when you move to a new state regardless. How does it seem sketchy to you?

 

[krem1234]

Yes, I moved to Texas and got permanent residency through the National Guard. It is a long uninteresting story but I know a lot of people that have done it this way.

I don't know what you mean by sketchy. The requirements are similar for all of the Texas schools. One year living in state, have to work and or own property. As for having a drivers license that is something you do when you move to a new state regardless. How does it seem sketchy to you?

Sketchy in the sense that for the first two schools listed, you can't be a student, FT or PT, during those first 12 months. The rest of the schools, it's OK. Some you also need a FT job in Texas, some PT. I figured the reqs would be standardized but they're not, and based on what I planned to do, some schools - the UT schools - would consider me a resident (assuming I was also working PT), the others would not.

 

[DocMcCoy]

Sketchy in the sense that for the first two schools listed, you can't be a student, FT or PT, during those first 12 months. The rest of the schools, it's OK. Some you also need a FT job in Texas, some PT. I figured the reqs would be standardized but they're not, and based on what I planned to do, some schools - the UT schools - would consider me a resident (assuming I was also working PT), the others would not.

Okay, I see where you are coming from. I really don't know how this compares to other states. You may be right, it may be more uniform elsewhere. I assumed falsely that you would pick up and move then start a full-time job for a year. I don't know why I made that assumption. So it looks like you would have to jump through some hoops, I admit I am not familiar with those specific school requirements and I wonder if any of them are waiverable.

 

[Medgirl55]

For Gods sake NOT California unless you have a 35+ GPA and 3.9 and extensive research! (and even then it might not help)

Stay in NY. The schools are great. I'm from california and got invites from 3 NY schools and 0 california ones.

 

[Howisbabbyformd]

Come to Michigan!!!

Your chances will be great because we have Wayne State's med school, U of M's med school, Michigan State's med school, Oakland University's med school, and Central Michigan University is in the process of opening up a medical school. We also have a DO school in the state.

In state tuition for U of M is like $24,000 a year. Wayne State's is like $26,000. MSU and Oakland are a bit higher, but still. Your chances are great. Especially if you consider Wayne State has a class of 300 medical students!!!

Realistically Florida is your best shot because they take mainly Florida residents in their schools and it's a beautiful state and everything that was said above basically.

And they have an open season for pythons. Also, WMU is starting an allopathic school.

 

[Infinitydrop]

Massachusetts 👍

MA also have less seats per resident than california and one of the highest mean GPA/MCAT to get accepted.I think its near a 32 in MA,compare that to a 28 in some other states.

 

[Mike7704]

Does renting an apartment qualify as "owning property" or do you need to actually buy/mortgage a house or condo?

 

[morning]

Come to Michigan!!!

Your chances will be great because we have Wayne State's med school, U of M's med school, Michigan State's med school, Oakland University's med school, and Central Michigan University is in the process of opening up a medical school. We also have a DO school in the state.

In state tuition for U of M is like $24,000 a year. Wayne State's is like $26,000. MSU and Oakland are a bit higher, but still. Your chances are great. Especially if you consider Wayne State has a class of 300 medical students!!!

Realistically Florida is your best shot because they take mainly Florida residents in their schools and it's a beautiful state and everything that was said above basically.

I'm pretty sure CMU, WMU and OU's medical schools are all going to be privately funded, and there's no mandate that MI schools take mainly MI residents, so they won't have in-state preference. MSU definitely has in-state preference, I'm not sure about WSU (but who wants to live in D-town?) and U of M does not. In fact, U of M proudly states that they try to take at least 50% OOS every year.

So all in all...it's a crapshoot.

Does renting an apartment qualify as "owning property" or do you need to actually buy/mortgage a house or condo?

No, and owning a house or condo won't help AFAIK. You need to change your driver's license address and voter registration and hopefully get a job/pay taxes. It also helps if an election comes up and you vote in it.

 

[sustentacular]

Does renting an apartment qualify as "owning property" or do you need to actually buy/mortgage a house or condo?

Not at all.

Listen kids, it's all about taxes! If you (or your parents if you're a dependent) pay income/property taxes to a state you are in theory providing financial support to state schools and therefore get preferential treatment if you apply to said schools. This is why private schools don't have as high percentages of instate students, because they're not mandated to accept X% of instate applicants (read: taxpayers) if they're not receiving funding from the state.

 

[Howisbabbyformd]

I'm pretty sure CMU, WMU and OU's medical schools are all going to be privately funded, and there's no mandate that MI schools take mainly MI residents, so they won't have in-state preference. MSU definitely has in-state preference, I'm not sure about WSU (but who wants to live in D-town?) and U of M does not. In fact, U of M proudly states that they try to take at least 50% OOS every year.

Perhaps not in terms of where those in their M1 class come from, but they certainly do show IS preference when it comes time to hand out final interview offers. Just read their twitter page. Also, I was interviewed at UM with a sub 30 MCAT (my GPA isn't close to 4.0 either) and I'm non-URM, non-disadvantaged, so I think they do give Michigan residents a bit of a break when it comes to interviews. BTW, I'm mid-tier waitlist, but with my stats, I'm surprised they even wanted to interview me.

Also, Wayne State probably has the highest IS preference out of the 3 MD schools in MI taking about 15% OOS each year. Last year, however, they had a 75%/25% split.

 

[kami333]

Does renting an apartment qualify as "owning property" or do you need to actually buy/mortgage a house or condo?

Third no.

However, property doesn't necessarily have to be a house or condo. It might not work for Texas, but I know a guy who bought some cheap land in an unincorporated area and was able to claim "ties" to the state that way (but not residency since he didn't move his DL, etc).

I just moved to Ohio partly for medical school reasons, but jumping through all the hoops sucks.

 

[krem1234]

Well, I wish I was going there for a FT job for a year - would make things so much easier. I'm going to check with TMDSAS again tomorrow, but so far it sounds like residency would require at least a part-time job that isn't self-employment. I'm not averse to the idea, but it's kind of a PITA - I need to find something part-time, as I need to focus on coursework (I need to take the 2 bio and 4 chem courses, and sit in on physics for the MCAT as I took those classes maybe 7 years ago), and also need to find something that works with my schedule, and need to find something by this May/June, as that's when I'd apply using TMDSAS next summer (12 month req). I hardly care about the in-state vs. out-of-state tuition (Texas OOS ~ NY in-state, anyway), I just want to relocate to Texas and get the heck out of NY.

Okay, I see where you are coming from. I really don't know how this compares to other states. You may be right, it may be more uniform elsewhere. I assumed falsely that you would pick up and move then start a full-time job for a year. I don't know why I made that assumption. So it looks like you would have to jump through some hoops, I admit I am not familiar with those specific school requirements and I wonder if any of them are waiverable.

 

[Davydude7]

I am from CA and applied as CA last app cycle, only had one in-state interview. This app cycle I applied as an OH resident and was accepted after my first interview to an in-state school.

 

[rbg2662]

Milkman is right about AR. The state has 4 congressional districts and the law requires that 70% of the 1st 150 in the class must be an equal number from each district. That means that each district must accept 27 students. Therefore someone from SE AR might get in with a lower MCAT and GPA than an applicant from Little Rock or NW AR. This was was put into place decades ago because there weren't enough drs going to these small towns and they figured there was a better chance of someone returning home to practice.

The great thing is sometimes there are only 30-35 applicants from the eastern AR district so anyone with a good application has a great chance at acceptance.

Tuition also runs about 17K/year for in states. Hope this helps.