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I'm extremely angry right now. I just had a DO student at the school where I'm at right now (I'm a Biomedical sciences masters student) tell me that he would go to an orthopedic surgeon WAAAY before he would go to a podiatrist if he needed foot or ankle work done because they're obviously more qualified. I told him the two schools I'm interviewing at are actually medical schools. My friends and I (they're all DO students and good friends of mine at the school) were out eating sushi and I seriously about jumped across the table and decked this guy.

Please tell me this is a very rare instance of a narcissistic medical student who doesn't have any clue what he was talking about.

I have been intensely researching Podiatry and have shadowed or talked to 5 or 6 podiatrists since I've been considering this route. I know what they do, and I know without a doubt they're just as qualified and arguably more qualified than an orthopedic surgeon to do what they do depending on the residency and school.

I guess like it or not there will be this attitude with idiots like this guy for a long time to come, I will just have to develop thick skin and laugh it off. I'm still very angry because I KNOW this is what I want to do. I'll just have to laugh next time I guess to avoid these pissing matches. :mad::mad::mad:
 

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I guess like it or not there will be this attitude with idiots like this guy for a long time to come, I will just have to develop thick skin and laugh it off. I'm still very angry because I KNOW this is what I want to do. I'll just have to laugh next time I guess to avoid these pissing matches. :mad::mad::mad:
Yea that is pretty much what it is, a pissing match. You will find that there are some people that simply don't know what a podiatrist can do and it's great if you are able to educate them on what they are capable of. However, try as you might there are always people out there that refrain from seeing the light...but with time they should come around! Even here at DMU there are DO students who don't really agree with all that podiatry is...but then again you have MD students that don't agree with what a DO does. It is just something that as a profession we are working on everyday and through better training in school, residencies, and establishment as great physicians of the foot and ankle we will do away with those barriers of thought...after all being close minded doesn't get people very far and especially not in the medical world! Keep up the hard work and best of wishes! Podiatry is a great profession and I cant wait to get out there!!!
 

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but then again you have MD students that don't agree with what a DO does.
then you have MDs who dont consider psychiatrists real doctors and surgeons who think MD FP/IM/etc are wimpy docs (that is actually the word the other doctor used, 'wimpy' haha). and on. and on. and on. i swear if one genious doctor cured aids, cancer, diabetes, and RA someone would still complain that he didnt cure so and so.

as a martial artist if some guy knocked the podiatry field in front of me i would break his ankle with a heal hook and then ask him if he'd like a podiatrist now. ofcourse i'm joking, or am i?! muahahaha. you don't want to know what i'd do if he knocked proctologists..
 

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as a martial artist if some guy knocked the podiatry field in front of me i would break his ankle with a heal hook and then ask him if he'd like a podiatrist now. ofcourse i'm joking, or am i?! muahahaha. you don't want to know what i'd do if he knocked proctologists..
I was thinking more along the lines of inducing diabetes, but that might be *kind of* irreversible, and only a tad immoral. :laugh: what now?!
 
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This guys big argument was that he would go to an opthamologist before an optometrist to get lasik done. This is why he would go to an orthopedic surgeon before he would go to a podiatrist. I told him it was comparing apples to oranges. He never really got it. With AzPod and DMU integrating with med schools, I think it would be a good step for podiatrists to be eligible to take the COMLEX or USMLE exams if they would like to take them. I could care less about the DO or MD behind the name. Taking the med school boards would do a lot for Podiatry as a profession.

Regardless I'm flying out and interviewing with DMU next friday and AzPod the next monday and I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to starting my training to become the best damn DPM I can possibly be. I'm excited about the opportunities in front of me. I could get into a traditional medical school if I wanted to, but I just didn't see podiatry for what it truely was until recently and I'm looking forward to the challenges in front of me. The thick skin some of the podiatrists talked about is going to be a part of the profession though it looks like.
 

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Regardless I'm flying out and interviewing with DMU next friday and AzPod the next monday and I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to starting my training to become the best damn DPM I can possibly be. I'm excited about the opportunities in front of me. I could get into a traditional medical school if I wanted to, but I just didn't see podiatry for what it truely was until recently and I'm looking forward to the challenges in front of me. The thick skin some of the podiatrists talked about is going to be a part of the profession though it looks like.

keep up that attitude and you'll go along way my friend :thumbup:
 

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I'm extremely angry right now. I just had a DO student at the school where I'm at right now (I'm a Biomedical sciences masters student) tell me that he would go to an orthopedic surgeon WAAAY before he would go to a podiatrist if he needed foot or ankle work done because they're obviously more qualified. I told him the two schools I'm interviewing at are actually medical schools. My friends and I (they're all DO students and good friends of mine at the school) were out eating sushi and I seriously about jumped across the table and decked this guy.

Please tell me this is a very rare instance of a narcissistic medical student who doesn't have any clue what he was talking about.

I have been intensely researching Podiatry and have shadowed or talked to 5 or 6 podiatrists since I've been considering this route. I know what they do, and I know without a doubt they're just as qualified and arguably more qualified than an orthopedic surgeon to do what they do depending on the residency and school.

I guess like it or not there will be this attitude with idiots like this guy for a long time to come, I will just have to develop thick skin and laugh it off. I'm still very angry because I KNOW this is what I want to do. I'll just have to laugh next time I guess to avoid these pissing matches. :mad::mad::mad:
Hey, I just have a few remarks...
First of all, you need to have thicker skin than that and not take every opinion personally. I don't think its upto your friend to decide whether we are qualified or less qualified to operate on the foot or ankle. He knows that as well. Worry about working hard and matching a good residency that will make you the best foot and ankle surgeon that you can be.

Second, don't say that we're more qualified than orthopaedic surgeons when you're still a pre-pod student. This is the sort of attitude that needs to get abolished completely. Ortho surgeons are great and many of them are excellent foot and ankle surgeons (fellowship trained). Right now we are at an era where othos and pod surgeons work together. I've been to programs where pod surgeons train (yes, train) ortho residents and I've been to programs where ORthos (including Foot and ankle orthos) train pod residents as well as ortho residents. That whole ortho vs pod stigma is really subjective to the individuals involved. Orthos have a right to protect their specialties and maintain high standards and so do we. For that we work side by side to ensure that the patients get the best quality treatments. In fact, its not just orthos that get involved. We typically work with vascular, plasti surgeons, and endocrinologists too. This multidisciplinary approach is what keeps our patients alive and their limbs attached.

You have to recognize that you are entering the medical field - a field filled with Egos no matter what specialty you're at (Podiatry included). This is just a reality that you have to cope with. My advise for you is to not get carried away with that and keep yourself grounded. Always remember why you're making this lifetime committment. People will respect you for the work and services you provide for your patients NOT for the degree you carry or your ego.
 

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I'm extremely angry right now. I just had a DO student at the school where I'm at right now (I'm a Biomedical sciences masters student) tell me that he would go to an orthopedic surgeon WAAAY before he would go to a podiatrist if he needed foot or ankle work done because they're obviously more qualified. I told him the two schools I'm interviewing at are actually medical schools. My friends and I (they're all DO students and good friends of mine at the school) were out eating sushi and I seriously about jumped across the table and decked this guy.

Please tell me this is a very rare instance of a narcissistic medical student who doesn't have any clue what he was talking about.

I have been intensely researching Podiatry and have shadowed or talked to 5 or 6 podiatrists since I've been considering this route. I know what they do, and I know without a doubt they're just as qualified and arguably more qualified than an orthopedic surgeon to do what they do depending on the residency and school.

I guess like it or not there will be this attitude with idiots like this guy for a long time to come, I will just have to develop thick skin and laugh it off. I'm still very angry because I KNOW this is what I want to do. I'll just have to laugh next time I guess to avoid these pissing matches. :mad::mad::mad:
The student is just naive and misinformed because he is just that, A STUDENT! Medicine is all theoretical when you're in the classroom. We're all going to be doctors that can do and fix any/everything!! When you get into the hospitals and see how it all works, you're attitude changes.

Concerning foot surgery, there are some orthopods out there that are very good at it. The difference is that most choose to focus on other areas and do no foot surgery. Podiatry has evolved into a surgical sub-specialty for a reason. Remember, there are still quite a few pods out there that do little or no surgery and your DO "friend" was probably thinking of them and equating them to every podiatrist. When he gets out into the hospitals and sees what we do, the attitude will change. Tell him to come spend a month with me :love:
 

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I actually hear that attitude from time to time. When I encounter someone who adamantly believes that he'd rather see an orthopedic surgeon, I give him the names of a couple of guys in town. The last thing I want to do is talk someone into seeing me instead then end up with a complication.

Then I smirk and wish him luck with his surgery. J/K.
 

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You have to recognize that you are entering the medical field - a field filled with Egos no matter what specialty you're at (Podiatry included). This is just a reality that you have to cope with. My advise for you is to not get carried away with that and keep yourself grounded. Always remember why you're making this lifetime committment. People will respect you for the work and services you provide for your patients NOT for the degree you carry or your ego.
Well Stated!
 

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I work at a hospital and I've had MD's, DO's, and RN's tell me that I am making a very wise decision in choosing to be a DPM. One DO was even telling me that DPM's make more money than they do. On the other hand, I also had physicians tell me not to go into medicine at all. If you are happy in your chosen profession it really shouldn't matter what other say. Whether good/bad people are always going to have something to say about the profession.
 

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Through my experiences as a pre-med shadowing many different types of specialties and career options, I never have once heard a DPM complain about their chosen profession. I am really not sure why, but it was always the MD's that complained the most. Anyone have any ideas on this? I guess in the end I couldn't be happier than the position I am in right now! :D
 

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Tell him that if his hand is as big as his face, then that means he has cancer
 

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I work at a hospital and I've had MD's, DO's, and RN's tell me that I am making a very wise decision in choosing to be a DPM. One DO was even telling me that DPM's make more money than they do. On the other hand, I also had physicians tell me not to go into medicine at all. If you are happy in your chosen profession it really shouldn't matter what other say. Whether good/bad people are always going to have something to say about the profession.
My urologist also recommened me to look in to podiatry. Great money, great work hours. More well rounded life

My best friend friend knew someone who was a Pod, and he said he he makes good money has a great life, yada yada yada.
 

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Through my experiences as a pre-med shadowing many different types of specialties and career options, I never have once heard a DPM complain about their chosen profession. I am really not sure why, but it was always the MD's that complained the most. Anyone have any ideas on this? I guess in the end I couldn't be happier than the position I am in right now! :D

I don't feel comfortable hypothesizing as to why this is, but I've heard quite a few MDs give warnings about choosing their profession as well. I'm just glad everyone I've talked to has been so candid with me. It really makes me confident that I've made the right choice in pusuing podiatry. That being said, things could change at any time, for better or worse, so I'm glad I found a profession that I feel will allow me to accomplish the things I want to in life, and be fulfilled.
 
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Johnblake, jonwill and the bee - I am a potential pre-pod. I have been very interested in the occupation and the opportunities. I am aware of the 'stereotypes' but have seen this in every field.... i agree with you 100% that the health field has some ego-centric types that will always compare/contrast others to prove their self worth. That being said I am very interested in podiatry and will be conducting my first job shadowing experience this week. I appreciate you thread contributions
 

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Through my experiences as a pre-med shadowing many different types of specialties and career options, I never have once heard a DPM complain about their chosen profession. I am really not sure why, but it was always the MD's that complained the most. Anyone have any ideas on this? I guess in the end I couldn't be happier than the position I am in right now! :D
Because most patients that come in get some sort of procedure and instant gratification of relief of pain.

What other specialty offers that?
 

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Stuck up MD/DO's are just trying to compensate for something....:smuggrin:
 

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I had a F&A orthopedic surgeon tell me that F&A ortho is a dying breed because podiatry training has far eclipsed what his training was. He also told me about how much better of a quality of life it entailed. I think he might have been kinda jealous??
 

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I had a F&A orthopedic surgeon tell me that F&A ortho is a dying breed because podiatry training has far eclipsed what his training was. He also told me about how much better of a quality of life it entailed. I think he might have been kinda jealous??
...we take classes with Chicago Medical School students and some of them are borderline ******ed. Not just social ineptitude, but like completely clueless with pod students running circles around them...
...I would go head to head with any orthopedist about metabolic disorders :cool:
Would you tell these things to the face of an attending - pod or ortho? If not, then why post it here?

Orthopedists, especially recently trained ones, were at or near the top of their class and scored great on USMLE to match ortho. It's a competitive specialty with a lot of smart smart people. If you haven't yet, you could try reading PMSIII's comment above (post #8). There are really a lot of great foot and ankle specialists who hold DPM degrees as well as many with MD degrees. Personally, I'm happy to learn from either. Everyone knows different things and has different strengths, but doesn't have to be a cut throat competition. You may come to realize that making inflammatory blanket statments is not always advisable.
 

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If I took pills to help me concentrate during my undergrad, I could have a 3.9
I get easily distracted, but I feel I am pretty smart. Those with good grades aren't necessarily smarter than people like me, rather more focused and less distracted. I have seen many students do poorly in college then finally focus and end up top in their med school, dental school, and pod classes. What do you guys think?
 

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If I took pills to help me concentrate during my undergrad, I could have a 3.9
I get easily distracted, but I feel I am pretty smart. Those with good grades aren't necessarily smarter than people like me, rather more focused and less distracted. I have seen many students do poorly in college then finally focus and end up top in their med school, dental school, and pod classes. What do you guys think?
I agree! I used to be the worst high school student with barely a 2.0 GPA because I couldn't study for nothing. However, once on track in college I got a 4.0 GPA for two consecutive years and only received 4 B's out of my 150 total credits when I graduated. Now in Podiatry school, its the same story with only 1 B the first year and hopefully only 1 B the second year. (hence it can take weeks to get grades back)

I may be a bit obsessive when it comes to studying but the formula is:
1) Motivation to learn everything that comes your way.
2) Plan weeks in advance of how to get yourself a high grade and STICK to the schedule.
3) Use consistent studying area's: library, coffee table at home, desk, ect... So say after school you study at your favorite spot in a library for 6 hrs(preferrebly a different library than at school) then go home and study for another 6 hrs. You need to mix it up and reward yourself after.
 

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Would you tell these things to the face of an attending - pod or ortho? If not, then why post it here?

Orthopedists, especially recently trained ones, were at or near the top of their class and scored great on USMLE to match ortho. It's a competitive specialty with a lot of smart smart people. If you haven't yet, you could try reading PMSIII's comment above (post #8). There are really a lot of great foot and ankle specialists who hold DPM degrees as well as many with MD degrees. Personally, I'm happy to learn from either. Everyone knows different things and has different strengths, but doesn't have to be a cut throat competition. You may come to realize that making inflammatory blanket statments is not always advisable.
thanks feli, i appreciate your objectivity and maturity
 

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Would you tell these things to the face of an attending - pod or ortho? If not, then why post it here?

Orthopedists, especially recently trained ones, were at or near the top of their class and scored great on USMLE to match ortho. It's a competitive specialty with a lot of smart smart people. If you haven't yet, you could try reading PMSIII's comment above (post #8). There are really a lot of great foot and ankle specialists who hold DPM degrees as well as many with MD degrees. Personally, I'm happy to learn from either. Everyone knows different things and has different strengths, but doesn't have to be a cut throat competition.You may come to realize that making inflammatory blanket statments is not always advisable.
Unfortunately sometimes it is cutthroat, but there's an art to advertising one's talents without coincidentally trash-talking your competitor. Talking smack makes no one look good, and making inflammatory blanket statements is a very good way to make oneself look bad (especially since it's prejudicial and most likely untrue).

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Just tell the DO student you would go to an MD before EVER going to a DO... afterall, everyone knows DO students are the ones who couldn't get into an MD program :p At'll shut em up, true or not.
 

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Just tell the DO student you would go to an MD before EVER going to a DO... afterall, everyone knows DO students are the ones who couldn't get into an MD program :p At'll shut em up, true or not.
OK, so pods deal with this all day


And dentist look in this all day



Id rather clean the stalls at adult theaters then go into either of your professions
 

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I was about to post pictures of what an OB/GYN and a gastroenterologist sees everyday but I didn't think it was appropriate. I would take the foot over what these people see. Good try!
 

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I was about to post pictures of what an OB/GYN and a gastroenterologist sees everyday but I didn't think it was appropriate. I would take the foot over what these people see. Good try!
:laugh: Good point, paulywog.

Dude, athlete's foot (pictured) isn't that big of a deal unless it isn't treated properly. And the picture of that mouth isn't what you see daily at a dentist's office.

:idea: Here's an idea, do some research into a profession before you completely disregard it instead of googling "foot fungus" or "bad teeth".
 

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:laugh: Good point, paulywog.

Dude, athlete's foot (pictured) isn't that big of a deal unless it isn't treated properly. And the picture of that mouth isn't what you see daily at a dentist's office.
Of course they dont but it is still the foot and mouth.

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:idea: Here's an idea, do some research into a profession before you completely disregard it instead of googling "foot fungus" or "bad teeth".
Here's an idea Mr.Pre-pod, how about you google DMU, and youll find that I currently attend a program that interacts with arguably the best pod program in the country. Although Im not a footsie, I have been lectured to various times by the best. And the slides theyshow us are no milder then what I posted here.
 

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Yeah man, I understand you're a D.O. student at DMU, and thats cool I wasn't knocking it. But for you to say that this is what pods and dents deal with all day is wrong. Sure they learn about a lot of extreme cases in case they have to deal with it, but I think the pictures you showed were kind of misleading.

Why not just show pictures of a foot and mouth (without some extreme deformity)?

But what do I know, I'm just a pre-pod.
 

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I not sure about the mouth, but nasty feet are commonly seen because they are usually neglected to where a simple case gets out of control.
 

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Tone is difficult to pick up on when reading on the net, but in this case, I'm sure that Toohotinvegas was being just a little facetious.

Why is everyone so defensive?
 

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I read sarcasm from the pictures he wrote. I joke with the pre-dents and pre-meds at my university like this too. I would honestly be down with working on weird complicated cases like those in the picture. To see a patient come in looking absolutely nasty and then after a long treatment plan, return to being healthy. I have seen mouths and feet that looked a lot worse than this in the Philippines. I thought those pictures were from a few people I knew. Anyways...some people might get defensive of the comments because they might not be secure with their profession choice. Stand up ye prepods and brush off these sarcastic (if not sarcastic, then uneducated) comments. We are willing to help out people with problems of the foot no matter the severity. We are podiatrists! back on up!
 

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SERIOUSLY! This pod student was expressing his feelings... I apologize if I harmed your fragile ego Mr. DO student. I have friends that are in DO school. I was just kidding. I didn't mean to insult your academic ability. You get into any sort of doctorate program, you are intelligent...bottom line.

Anyway, didn't mean to cause hard feelings. Didn't know any DOs would be looking at the pre pod forum but since I'm a dental student spending time here, I guess I should be more sensitive.
 

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Podiatrists will have INCREDIBLY important work to do as both the incidence and prevalence of diabetes continues to increase.

DOs will also have important work to do as they become more mainstreamed in the future and people have a better understanding of what a DO degree is all about. Sadly, we aren't there yet and it is causing many DOs a LOT of grief.
 

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I love how everyone's response to potentially attacking (jokingly or not) another degree/profession is to say they have some friends that have earned that degree or are earning it....

e.g. - DO's are punks! --- oh but its ok ...I know one suhhh.......

:thumbup:

[I don't really "love" that...it's sarcasm...funny....laugh....good]
 

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I love how everyone's response to potentially attacking (jokingly or not) another degree/profession is to say they have some friends that have earned that degree or are earning it....

e.g. - DO's are punks! --- oh but its ok ...I know one suhhh.......

:thumbup:

[I don't really "love" that...it's sarcasm...funny....laugh....good]
I was trying to be nice. This is seriously one bitter forum. I should probably stick to the dental forums... there is no redemption here... and I do have a friend that went to LECOM with a 2.9 uGPA. I'm sure she will make a fine physician. I'd trust her or I wouldn't be friends with her.
 

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SugarNaCl,
This is the most bitter forum. For one reason or another, most of the posters here lack the ability to decipher the main idea in a response. So, they assume it was an attack and respond accordingly. I understood what you were getting at, people just want to whine. Alot.

Good luck in d school.
 

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Although I don't wish ill on anyone and wish everyone could have perfect foot health...

That foot picture is fierce! I want to be on that case!
 

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I would much rather look at diseased feet all day rather than:

A. What a proctologist looks at every day.
B. What a urologist looks at everyday.
C. What a GYN looks at everyday.
D. What a DMD looks at everyday.

But, it's just my 2 cents...
 

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maybe you have a secret affection for semen? just sayin

i don't judge
There is big money in reproductive endocrinology and invitro fertilization, people pay like 10 grand to get pregos
 

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There is big money in reproductive endocrinology and invitro fertilization, people pay like 10 grand to get pregos
There are a lot of big words in that phrase that describes a doctor....probably means it's a competitive residency...*sigh* and your a D.O. Shucks.

You can always write referrals, right?

:laugh:

DISCLAIMER!!!!!

-Just Joshin' All You D.O.'s, so don't start a pissing contest with me...you'll lose.-
 

spo01

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those photos above aren't bad, geez. i'll never forget my ob/gyn rotation (during BSN days) when i saw episiotomy's and women defecating giving birth then a placenta comes popping out. my sex life was never the same after that moment.

how about colostomy bags? take the worst smell you've ever experienced, multiply it by 1000, add infinite, mix in every fart produced from eating eggs and peanut butter, and put all this in some type of gas compressing chamber that super concentrates it into a small volume that could be put into a vial. hello colostomy bags.

i'm glad i'm in podiatry.
 

Paulywog

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That description of the colostomy bag was pretty good. So good that I almost could smell it. Thanks for making me laugh...and puke. These recent posts have proven why we all were drawn to the careers that we chose. people have different likes and dislikes. I hope we are all the best at what we decide to specialize in so our patients will receive amazing health care.
 

Toohotinvegas33

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I think there is an alternate path thru IM to Endo fellowship to REI sub fellow.
 

cool_vkb

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how about colostomy bags? take the worst smell you've ever experienced, multiply it by 1000, add infinite, mix in every fart produced from eating eggs and peanut butter, and put all this in some type of gas compressing chamber that super concentrates it into a small volume that could be put into a vial. hello colostomy bags.

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Oh dood! Was this even necessary! yuk! now i cant my eat Peanut butter & Jelly sandwich:(
 

box29

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I think there is an alternate path thru IM to Endo fellowship to REI sub fellow.
Yeah, thought about that too but wasn't sure...all I know is that REI docs make good $ with nice hours.

I was on rehab med rotation and met Dr. Jodi Politz (http://mountainpodiatry.com/)
who went to Scholl and did postgrad training at a Yale affiliate. She was way cool. Everytime I passed her clinic, we'd smell the incense from Futzpah. She totally remembered Dr. Bariether, Dr. Becker, and Dr. Manion.