Discussion in 'Canada' started by Aria2012, Nov 19, 2007.

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  1. dixon476

    dixon476 2+ Year Member

    Jun 3, 2009
    thanks for the detailed guidence Monterey MD.
    Last edited: Oct 11, 2010
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  3. PacificBlue2012

    PacificBlue2012 Banned

    Aug 27, 2010
    I am an Australian-US citizen, and I was merely asking just out of curiosity. I know that Canadian MDs often have difficulties practicing in Australia mostly due to limits on where IMGs can be employed, the dreaded 10 year rule which restricts them to rural areas. So I guess Canada is a closed door as well. One doctor I know returned to Canada because of this rule, I guess every country is restrictive. Britain used to welcome Australian trained doctors as equals to theirs, until they became part of the EU, now EU doctors take precedent over Australian physicians, despite the fact that our education systems are nearly identical.

    The US takes foreign trained doctors but they tend to wind up in less desirable (Primary Care or Inner City hospital) locales.
  4. babra


    Jul 14, 2012
    Dear Dr.,
    I read tour letter.Is absolutely true,realistic.
    Unfortunately I myself immigrated to Canada passed MCCEE with a very low score.
    Just passed.What are my chances if I apply in Carms.
  5. sgogeta4


    Aug 30, 2011
    Start a new thread, don't resurrect old ones. While I don't know if the first post was completely accurate 5 years ago, many things have changed (while I'll accede that many more have not). Still, with your scores and non-native English, I'd realistically say your chances are almost nil unless your application has outstanding merits in almost every other category.
  6. Ghani2004


    Dec 30, 2012
    i am new in this forum, i am new immigrant in canada, just arrived,i am MD(physician) from india, working since 5 yrs as private practitioner, now i am looking for option in my field, i read all your post and confuse weather i did good step? so need your advise, 1) i read and heard that to practice in canada i need to go through all exam, and residency, which is quite difficult, and statistic also proving it. while US EXAM and residency little bit easier as i read in forum. so what is good US or canada exam. 2) if i decide for US,than how, because i just became CANADIAN PR.
    your any answer will appreciate.
    P.S-my wife is M PHARM.
  7. aProgDirector

    aProgDirector Pastafarians Unite! SDN Advisor SDN Moderator 10+ Year Member

    Oct 11, 2006
    You've got a long road ahead of you, if you plan to practice medicine in either the US or Canada. It's going to be long, expensive, and difficult -- and not guaranteed.

    This thread is a good summary of the process in Canada, so I won't rehash that.

    In the US, you'd need to pass the USMLE exams. Each step is about $1500, and there are 4 of them. Just "passing" them isn't advisable, you'd want to score as well on them as is possible, as poor scores may limit your choices, or keep you out of a residency at all. Then you'd apply for a residency position. Unfortunately, many places want US clinical experience, which you won't have (and will have difficulty getting) Perhaps you can get some Canadian medical experience, but that is likely very difficult also. When you apply for a spot in the US, you'll be much more than 5 years out from your graduation, which is often a cutoff for some (but not all) programs. You'd also need a visa in the US, which makes it more difficult to get a spot. From your English in this post, you may have some difficulties around that. And, if your school isn't well known in the US, that can also be a problem.

    If you are able to get a training spot in the US, it will likely be in family medicine. You might be able to get a spot in other fields, depending upon your background, how ell you did on the steps, etc. If you do complete FM training in the US, it's 3 years long. IN Canada, I believe you need 4 years of training, so you'd need to find some way of getting one more year.

    All in all, your chances of making this all work are not great. It's going to be expensive and time consuming. You honestly might be better off thinking about what else you can do with your prior training -- but I totally understand if you want to pursue being a physician.
  8. septoplasty

    septoplasty Exceptional 5+ Year Member

    Nov 10, 2010
    Call Room
    2 years!

    Yea, totally weird. FM is 2, IM is 4 in Canada.
  9. lungdocCA

    lungdocCA 5+ Year Member

    May 5, 2011
    Northern California
    I have become tired with medical practice in the United States. I have relatives in Canada and my grown children live in Northern Washington.
    I graduated from medical school in the US and completed all my training and am board certified in my specialty (Pulmonary and Critical Care Medicine). Also, my mother was a Canadian citizen when I was born which according to my understanding of Canadian Citizenship Law would enable me to apply for dual Canadian Citizenship.
    I wonder how hard it would be for me to enter Canada and practice as a specialist? Impossible?
  10. psychR1

    psychR1 7+ Year Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    It depends on the availability in your specialty. There's more opportunity to cross the border now, mainly due to physician shortages. Google the province you're interested in, and look for their physician recruitment programs. Good luck.
  11. Shakira88


    May 17, 2014
    Chicago, IL
    Hello there,

    I am new to this forum like many others. After reading countless threads in regards to IMGs' possibilities to practice medicine in Canada, I must admit that I do feel anxious and slightly discouraged, but I still would like to try and apply through the CARMS Program when the time arrives (+ the US Residency Program of course).

    I am a Canadian citizen (originally from Romania), went to University of Toronto, class of 2010, but ended up in a Caribbean medical school (International American University) mostly because it is so difficult to be accepted into a Canadian medical school. I took my USMLE Step I this past February, and now I am doing my first clinical rotation in surgery in Chicago, IL. Just like many other Canadian students who are now studying as IMGs, I would absolutely love to be able to become a practicing physician in Canada, but I am aware of the many obstacles that I have to face. I am planning to take USMLE Step II CS before next year as long as I would have finished both my internal medicine and family medicine rotations. After I tackle that, USMLE Step II CK will be next on the list.

    In addition to taking the MCCEE exams (all three), it would look much better on my application if I would complete my elective rotations in Canada. Unfortunately, my medical school does not approve of that and thus, I must complete all my core and elective rotations in the US. My family doctor has made it clear to me that he would be happy to offer me an observership at his fast-growing medical clinic, which would definitely give me some exposure to the Canadian medical healthcare system. I guess my question is whether or not this would allow my application to stand out in comparison to others? Is there anything else that I could do to possibly improve the application?

    I also have some questions in regards to the MCCEE exams themselves: are they written in a similar fashion to the USMLE Step I and II and would I have to use different or additional books to prepare for them? I am now using Master The Boards, Step Up To Medicine, First Aid Step 2 CK and CS and occasionally Step 1 for review.

    I appreciate the time you will take to reply and I apologize about the length of the thread! Thanks :) .
  12. bearded frog

    bearded frog 2+ Year Member

    Feb 24, 2014

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  13. Medstart108

    Medstart108 5+ Year Member

    Mar 24, 2012
    Regarding the observership with your family doctor it won't help you stand out. What really counts are electives, which unfortunately you already said you can't get. If you have the free time to do an observership by all means go for it because it can't hurt and at least it demonstrates interest in Canada, but it won't improve your application and you won't be able to get a good reference from it. The one thing about family doctors is that most residencies don't trust their reference. They don't know if your family doctor is just writing something good because you know them well and unless you are applying to family medicine it won't help you much.

    Just ace your rotations in the US, people from the Caribbean make it back to Canada, you just need to be really good.

    I would focus my efforts on the US, if you finish your residency in the US you can still come back to Canada with just a brief 1 year probation period which isn't bad at all.
  14. Shakira88


    May 17, 2014
    Chicago, IL
    Thank you very much for your replies! I have a connection at McMaster University, where I did an undergrad project. I have always been interested in the Children's Hospital there, so I'll look for more information into that as well.
  15. Shakira88


    May 17, 2014
    Chicago, IL
    Thanks for the info!
  16. Shakira88


    May 17, 2014
    Chicago, IL
    Thanks for letting me know!
  17. thsc

    thsc 2+ Year Member

    Mar 11, 2012
    Hey All!

    Since I'm a pre-med, forgive me if this question seems a little ignorant; I read most of the posts and the return of service agreement got me all IMG positions have such a contract associated with them?
  18. Ultramarathoner

    Ultramarathoner 2+ Year Member

    Aug 2, 2012
    This original poster Aria2012 is very negative.

    I am Canadian, did all my medical education in the USA along with 2 fellowships. I passed all the USA and Canadian (yes i did all the LMCC and Royal College) exams and now happily working in western Canada. So it can be done. You just have to work hard and want it bad.
  19. MissHP


    Dec 8, 2014
    Hi everyone,
    I'm about to start my 4th year of my 5-year undergrad med degree in Australia. I'd really like to do my residency in Canada (Alberta if possible) with the future intention of migrating there.
    Is it a lost hope, is it worth the huge investment of time and money for what seems like an impossible chance for IMGs when I have a pretty straightforward path through to a fellowship training program set out for me here at home in Australia?
    I do have a few small advantages (well, hopefully), would any of the following count for much?
    1. About 5 years ago I did 6 months of secondary schooling in Newfoundland
    2. I have family there who would be willing to support me in any way
    3. I'm incredibly young, I started med school straight after high school and will be 21 when I graduate as a doctor
    4. In my fifth year of med school I can do an elective overseas and I can complete this in Canada
    5. My long distance partner (we don't quite qualify as common law partners) was born in and has never left Alberta
    6. I am quite good at French

    Other than this, I realise that even taking the time to do the MCCEE, the NAC etc, it's a pretty hopeless case for me to dream of getting permanent residency to even apply for a residency postgrad training anywhere in Canada, isn't it?
  20. AStark

    AStark 5+ Year Member

    Dec 9, 2011
    To confirm, you are an Australian citizen and do not have either Canadian citizenship or permanent residency?

    If this is the case, your prospect of obtaining a residency position in Canada is zero, as I can't imagine that Australia would sponsor you as a visa trainee.

    Now, depending on the specialty you enter, you may be able to do a post-residency fellowship in Canada. Certainly if by that time you have obtained permanent residency then it will be easier. But you are not eligible to enter CaRMS as it stands and it's unlikely (or impossible) you'd be able to establish permanent residency in the time available.
  21. caribbbeanboy


    Jan 3, 2015
    HI i am a Foreign Medical Graduate (maybe not IMG but FMG)

    I have graduated from the University of The West Indies and have 4 years of training post medical degree. With the MRCP (uk )qualification I am qualified as an Internal Medicine specialist at home.

    I have been seeking a postgraduate fellowship position in Canada and have spoken to and met with many program directors. I being a foreigner am not able to apply through the match - CARMS and hence I have not written the MCCEE, MCQEE exams.

    Most of the responses have been an outright "NO" or that the additional positions are kept for Middle Eastern/Gulf State graduates as they have funding and give additional stipends to certain faculty members. Unless you personally know the directors, It would seem virtually impossible to get into a 2 year fellowship in Canada. I am still trying and one last University is attempting to give me a position , however fitting me in to their program is difficult as they have 3 residents/fellows and space is a major problem for most Universities.

    I would like to know as Foreign Graduates how we can help each other and even appeal to these Universities that we do need help as not everyone has the same opportunities where they live.

    Please comment, Thanks
  22. Medstart108

    Medstart108 5+ Year Member

    Mar 24, 2012
    double post
  23. amr elfiky

    amr elfiky

    Mar 24, 2015
    hi , i'm a new IMG .i read your post and did some googling about the residency in Canada for IMGs .it looks like it's close o impossible .but i heard that this was a couple of years ago and things now are different .and that IMGs now have a reasonable chance of a residency in Canada , not like the US of course .is that true ?
  24. ConfusedChemist

    ConfusedChemist 2+ Year Member

    Aug 5, 2014
    Not even close
    its worse

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