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Well I'll be keeping my fingers crossed for you. I'm kind of a newb to dent field so I can't help out too much. But hopefully my posting will bump this thread back to the top so as to give your thread more exposure.

Good luck man.
 
waltoncj said:
Hey everyone,
Maybe some of you all know someone this happened to. I was fairly sure about my chances of getting into dental school, but now I am very unsure. I have a 3.4 gpa from Vanderbilt Univ. and scored a 22/20 on the DAT. However, I have recently been charged with cheating. I let my roommate copy off my Physical Chemistry Lab Final (1 hour course), and will now recieve a F in the course along with him, which will be on my transcript. How do dental schools look on this and do you know of incidences where they accept students and give them a second chance? I am just wondering whether this scar on my record should stop me from applying after this semester (because I have no shot anymore) or whether or not I still have a chance to get in? My friends told me that I still have a chance because my scores are slightly above average, but they are not as informed as you guys. Any help would be appreciated. I really want to go into dentistry, but am worried that I have no shot anymore.
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First off: Stupid move. 👎 You should have never let your friend cheat off you.

2nd Take the F and repeat the class, Start working on a good explanation.

Will there be an academic notation on your record that you were involved in cheating? If so then it seems pretty grim.
 
I don't think your chances are over, if you really want it bad enough, you will try everything to get it, and I'm sure this includes coming up with a really good explanation for the incident. I say you should apply and see what happens, because you just never know. To sum it up, your chances are not over, I would still apply if in your shoes, and I'm sure someone would understand this...
By the way, nice DAT scores.
 
waltoncj said:
Hey everyone,
Maybe some of you all know someone this happened to. I was fairly sure about my chances of getting into dental school, but now I am very unsure. I have a 3.4 gpa from Vanderbilt Univ. and scored a 22/20 on the DAT. However, I have recently been charged with cheating. I let my roommate copy off my Physical Chemistry Lab Final (1 hour course), and will now recieve a F in the course along with him, which will be on my transcript. How do dental schools look on this and do you know of incidences where they accept students and give them a second chance? I am just wondering whether this scar on my record should stop me from applying after this semester (because I have no shot anymore) or whether or not I still have a chance to get in? My friends told me that I still have a chance because my scores are slightly above average, but they are not as informed as you guys. Any help would be appreciated. I really want to go into dentistry, but am worried that I have no shot anymore.
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Wow I wish you the best of luck but I would like to think that others like us would get preference as we worked hard and didnt do something so stupid as that.

Thats probably going to make others think that you cheated in other classes to get those good grades.

Course you cannot cheat on the DAT so maybe you can find a school that will overlook this.

But then once again, which school is going to accept a cheater into their program????

I do know of an individual that had a drug problem and went to rehab, then later he was accepted into a medical program in my state. Obviously they forgived him since he will now one day be able to prescribe meds!

Good luck !
 
eddiescott said:
Wow I wish you the best of luck but I would like to think that others like us would get preference as we worked hard and didnt do something so stupid as that.

Thats probably going to make others think that you cheated in other classes to get those good grades.

Course you cannot cheat on the DAT so maybe you can find a school that will overlook this.

But then once again, which school is going to accept a cheater into their program????

I do know of an individual that had a drug problem and went to rehab, then later he was accepted into a medical program in my state. Obviously they forgived him since he will now one day be able to prescribe meds!

Good luck !
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I honestly dont think this guy has a chance.

It seems that once you are branded a cheater you will always be known for that.

Also, there are so many great candidates to choose from, I would think he would quickly get the denial.

Sorry. Just my opinion.
 
You better be able to EXPLAIN WHY very very well. I think you still got a shot. Yeah, people make mistakes and what not, but you better be able to prove in an interview what you learned and how you will never do it again. You have a good GPA from a good university and great DAT scores, so I do not see why you would not get invited for interviews. HOWEVER, at that point it is on your shoulders to "show" them your true character and really shine in the interview if you want to be accepted.

Good Luck :luck:
 
waltoncj said:
Hey everyone,
Maybe some of you all know someone this happened to. I was fairly sure about my chances of getting into dental school, but now I am very unsure. I have a 3.4 gpa from Vanderbilt Univ. and scored a 22/20 on the DAT. However, I have recently been charged with cheating. I let my roommate copy off my Physical Chemistry Lab Final (1 hour course), and will now recieve a F in the course along with him, which will be on my transcript. How do dental schools look on this and do you know of incidences where they accept students and give them a second chance? I am just wondering whether this scar on my record should stop me from applying after this semester (because I have no shot anymore) or whether or not I still have a chance to get in? My friends told me that I still have a chance because my scores are slightly above average, but they are not as informed as you guys. Any help would be appreciated. I really want to go into dentistry, but am worried that I have no shot anymore.
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your situation stinks i think if i was your interviewer and you told me that you let your friend cheat off of you i'd think that you cheated off of him...there will always be doubt, but then again you have the good stats going for you so apply and pray that it never comes up i guess... 👎
 
PLAY DUMB. Tell the ad com (ONLY IF THEY BRING IT UP) that you were not doing the cheating (ie. they were copying YOU) and just say you had a feeling they were doing it, but you didn't want to call attention to yourself and talk to the prof about it. When the teacher called you in and said your papers were exactly the same, you got in trouble as well. "The other guy even admitted I didn't know." SAVE YOUR ASS.
 
predentchick said:
PLAY DUMB. Tell the ad com (ONLY IF THEY BRING IT UP) that you were not doing the cheating (ie. they were copying YOU) and just say you had a feeling they were doing it, but you didn't want to call attention to yourself and talk to the prof about it. When the teacher called you in and said your papers were exactly the same, you got in trouble as well. "The other guy even admitted I didn't know." SAVE YOUR ASS.
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sorry, but I don't think you should lie to cover up your cheating. that just proves that you are still shady and didn't change or learn from your mistake. nobody wants to hire someone that doesn't take responsibility when they mess up. your best bet is to come clean to the interviewer, take full responsibility, and then have a few words prepared about what you learned from this and how it won't happen again.
 
airvent said:
First off: Stupid move. 👎 You should have never let your friend cheat off you.

2nd Take the F and repeat the class, Start working on a good explanation.
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I agree with this, however I also think the only good explanation is the truth.

Having said that, I think adcoms could really see this as a benefit, especially if you are able to retake the course and get an A. It could be somewhat of a life-changing experience for you.

In my book there are three types of applicants:

1) Appear to be perfect in every way. Excellent grades, etc. They claim to have never cheated on anything in their lives, nor have they ever been tempted.
2) Average candidate. So-so GPA, not perfect but not horrible. It seems they didn't put in a whole lot of effort. They would never admit to cheating.
3) Good applicant who admits to cheating and realized it was a mistake. Retook the class and got an A. Has seen first-hand what a bad decision it was to take part in cheating.

In my book #3 is a MUCH better candidate than #1. We're all human, including adcoms. It's NICE to see somebody rebound strongly from a mistake and use it as a learning tool.
 
Biogirl361 said:
sorry, but I don't think you should lie to cover up your cheating. that just proves that you are still shady and didn't change or learn from your mistake. nobody wants to hire someone that doesn't take responsibility when they mess up. your best bet is to come clean to the interviewer, take full responsibility, and then have a few words prepared about what you learned from this and how it won't happen again.
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No, seriously. Save your ass. :laugh:
 
predentchick said:
No, seriously. Save your ass. :laugh:
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I ve gotta get mine in. SAVE YOUR ASS. Take matters at hand and lie lie lie

SINK OR SWIM
 
predentchick said:
PLAY DUMB. Tell the ad com (ONLY IF THEY BRING IT UP) that you were not doing the cheating (ie. they were copying YOU) and just say you had a feeling they were doing it, but you didn't want to call attention to yourself and talk to the prof about it. When the teacher called you in and said your papers were exactly the same, you got in trouble as well. "The other guy even admitted I didn't know." SAVE YOUR ASS.
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If you use the above excuse, any adcom w/ half a brain will be able to see in a second that it's a total lie. Being honest and sincere is the best way to show that you have learned from your mistakes. (And who of us hasn't made mistakes?) Explain why you let your roommate copy off of you and then explain you've learned that you should have helped him by tutoring him, not by letting him cheat off of you. If you get an interview, then that means they are probably willing to overlook your mistake with a good and honest explanation. Don't throw away your remaining chances by lying in the interview.

Do the right thing. Rectify your mistake by being honest and sincere. Your scores do look good, but your scores mean nothing if the school can't even trust that you earned them yourself.
 
hey hold up man. u guys, he didnt get a FF (failure for cheating) he just got an F. more than likely that means its NOT going to show up on his record that he failed for cheating. listen, i know i'm going to get flamed for this, but everyone here would do this. dont bring it up at all. re-take the course, pass it, and just tell them that u were stupid that semester and messed around and failed it by accident. make up some stupid excuse. the odds of u getting in if u tell them u cheated are slim to none, considering that have many good candidates to choose from. ur entire future is riding on this. some ppl will tell u to tell the truth no matter what, but if something small and stupid like this keeps u from achieving ur dream of becoming a dentist, i'd do whatever is necessary to get in. good luck.

omar
 
omaralt said:
hey hold up man. u guys, he didnt get a FF (failure for cheating) he just got an F.
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waltoncj, I think we are all making a sincere effort to help you, but we're all running on different assumptions about whether or not the adcoms will know about your 'mistake.' We need to know exactly what the adcoms will be seeing. Request a copy of your official transcript and see for yourself if it is noted on there that you cheated.

If it is on your record, then maybe we can brainstorm and devise some damage control techniques.

If it's not on your record and you just got an F, then consider yourself very lucky.

Either way, I hope it turns out for the best. Good luck to you.
 
One thing that I would be worried about is when you take your state licensing exam and if they ask if you have cheated, etc. They might not admit you for moral turpitude.
 
nomorelaw said:
One thing that I would be worried about is when you take your state licensing exam and if they ask if you have cheated, etc. They might not admit you for moral turpitude.
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umm the let person get into dental school first.


also i wouldn't lie but i would bend the truth. the people on here that say lying is wrong it is, but bending it like every freaking human being that does is not.
 
dentaldaddy said:
I ve gotta get mine in. SAVE YOUR ASS. Take matters at hand and lie lie lie

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I was just kidding.

Seriously, you HAVE to tell the truth no matter what!

Truth is always the best road because when you lie THEY WILL FIND OUT>

Lies always come out in the end.

You have no choice but to be honest!
 
Either way, you should apply and see how far you get. Don't give up on your dream. Assuming you get far enough to get an interview and it comes up (and they know you cheated) try to put a positive spin on things. If you cared enough about your roommate's grade that you were willing to risk so much that you had invested in yourself just to help him out, that shows that your motivation is in the right place, although your morals may not be. The adcoms do value the willingness to help others as a great attribute for a dentist.
 
Wait a minute here, You did not specify if your F is in the transcript or if you also have the thing saying You cheated on your transcript as well. If only the F shows up then your good to go. If it says you have cheated then your kinda screwed being honest here. I know a lot of people rejected for having that in their transcript, but who knows time will tell. Some teachers are nice and just give only the F in the class or the test, and not tell the admissions. So once a gain it all depends on if it says you cheated on ur transcript.
 
Just say I was having personal issues with the class plus some issues of my own that I don't feel comfortable explaining, that's not lying.
 
You are a fool if you admit to cheating on your application! Explain the situation to your prof and ask him straight up if he has told other profs. Make sure you ask all letter writers to only write if they feel comfortable writing a positive letter of recomendation. If they cant write such a letter they will tell you. Unless you have some real enemies out there you have nothing to worry about.
 
waltoncj said:
Sorry, I would like to give you all some backround on how it is going to look. I found that it will only say F on my transcript. It will not cite that it is due to a cheating violation. However, they might call the school and try to find out why I did get an F to make sure or somehow my health professions advisor might know about it and state it in my recommendation (which I can not read). Therefore, although I could lie and they possibly will not find out, it would be a big risk because if they did find out then I would definately have no shot at getting in for lying. Maybe you guys can help as far as specifically talking about UT-Memphis dental school.
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If it only says "F" then go ahead and apply but don't mention anything about the cheating violation. Why are you afraid a dental school will call your university about one bad grade? There are lots of applicants with bad grades on their transcripts - do they really have time to call each university and find out why the student failed? However, if your health professions recommendation says something about it, then it's a different story. In that case, you can't do anything except wait and see if the dental school acts on it or not or if you get an interview. If you do make it to the interview stage, then only talk about it if the interviewers bring it up.

We all know cheating is wrong and it sounds like you were being the nice guy and unfortunately got caught in the wrong end of things. However, having finished dental school, I have to say there are some shady people out there practicing dentistry who know how to pull the wool over people's eyes and have done far worse that what you described to make it into dental school and get through dental school - but they still graduated out of dental school and are now practicing.

The three scenarios ItsGavinC described are good examples, and if Gavin was on the admissions committee, you'd be in. But IMO, I think an admissions committee would be more likely to pick candidate #1 - the one with the perfect record who claims to have never cheated or been tempted. I would think that an adcom would see admitting to cheating as bad - you've done it once, what would stop you from doing it again? How do I know you're being sincere in saying "I learned my lesson" or if you're completely lying about that? Many dental schools have huge ethics committees with faculty and students set up to deal with cheating in dental school because it can be a big problem, so I don't think they'd be likely to let an admitted cheater in because of the potential problems that the student might create later. However, I would do as suggested and retake the class if you're allowed and raise the grade; heck, I'd even retake it even if you can't raise the grade, as long as it shows up on your transcript in someway that you retook it. That way, if the cheating incident ever does come up in an interview, you have one more piece of evidence to show you're serious about having learned about your mistakes.

Honesty is a good policy but I think there are cases where it might not always be the best policy. I'm sure those of us who have been through dental school can attest to knowing classmates who have been in the scenario waltoncj described to us. How many of those people do you think actually let it bother their conscience and would actually go to the professor and admit to cheating because "it's always best to tell the truth?" Think about it...
 
ItsGavinC said:
I agree with this, however I also think the only good explanation is the truth.

Having said that, I think adcoms could really see this as a benefit, especially if you are able to retake the course and get an A. It could be somewhat of a life-changing experience for you.

In my book there are three types of applicants:

1) Appear to be perfect in every way. Excellent grades, etc. They claim to have never cheated on anything in their lives, nor have they ever been tempted.
2) Average candidate. So-so GPA, not perfect but not horrible. It seems they didn't put in a whole lot of effort. They would never admit to cheating.
3) Good applicant who admits to cheating and realized it was a mistake. Retook the class and got an A. Has seen first-hand what a bad decision it was to take part in cheating.

In my book #3 is a MUCH better candidate than #1. We're all human, including adcoms. It's NICE to see somebody rebound strongly from a mistake and use it as a learning tool.
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so you would put #1 lower on your list for being smart enough and ethical enough in the first place to not need to ever make that mistake? i guess i could see how you would be able to forgive 3 and put 1 and 3 back on the same playing field, but saying 3 is a MUCH better applicant? i respectfully disagree. everyone knows cheating is wrong, you shouldn't have to get caught and punished before you learn that
 
I think you should be honest about it and turn it into a positive experience. You can even write about it in your personal essay. Turn it into something like you were dumb before but now see the important of honesty in academics as well as dentistry. Build a new life motto around honesty, integrity, etc. Sometimes only through the bad can we see the good. Maybe now you will have an even stronger committment to honesty and as a dentist and dental student, understanding how hurtful cutting corners or lying can be, you would never treat a patient or anyone else like that again. They like to see you learn from mistakes, and esp if you are honest and open about it I dont see how they couldn't respect that. They may question you but if you are sincere, you can say, "You know, I realize I made a really foolish and bad mistake. I am willing to accept responsibility for my mistakes and I understand why my previous experiences would be a risk in accepting me to your school but I am hoping you will see my honesty now and have faith that it is a manifestation of my commitment to be honest from here on out."

Whatever the case, it's worth a try.
 
reLAXgirl said:
I think you should be honest about it and turn it into a positive experience. You can even write about it in your personal essay. Turn it into something like you were dumb before but now see the important of honesty in academics as well as dentistry. Build a new life motto around honesty, integrity, etc.
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No offense reLAXgirl, but this is too naive. Don't get me wrong, I'm all about honesty and doing your own work. However, I used to think the way many of the pre-dents here do - that honesty is the best policy, hard work is the answer, the good always shines through the bad, we should always confess up to our weaknesses because people will trust us that we have seen the light and changed our ways. Now I realize that maybe I was jaded and many colleagues in dentistry have a different interpretation of "honesty" than mine. As an undergrad, cheating is pretty clear cut - cheat on an exam, copy somebody's lab results or homework problem. Now, having finished through the academic and clinical trials of dental school, the temptation of cheating is present at all sorts of places - take a short cut in lab even though it is clearly expressed by the instructor to do it the long way, but it's Saturday afternoon so no one is around to see you, and "everyone" is doing it as well. Book "fake patients" to guarantee you get to work with the popular clinical instructors. All of a sudden, things that would clearly be considered cheating and dishonest by predents aren't considered to be so bad anymore; it's merely "playing the game" to get ahead.

I've seen some serious cheaters get away with a mere slap on the wrist or a "we'll look the other way and pretend it didn't happen" in dental school. It doesn't make it any less bad, I just want to point out to waltoncj that although this is a terrible place for him/her to be in right now and it seems like waltoncj has a conscience to even be debating the consequences and asking for advice, in the context of gaining admission to dental school, it might not be as bad as he might think. Or it could be awful and make or break his admission, although I hope for you waltoncj, it doesn't come down to this.

Here's an ethical dilemma for all of you to consider. It's 4:30pm on Wednesday, most students are wrapping up their stuff in the pre-clinic lab class, to go home and study because there is a huge Anatomy exam on Friday. Pre-clinic lab is a Pass/Fail course, if you fail, you still get to move on to next year, you just have to do some remediation at some point. Anatomy is a 5 credit hour course, if you fail, you get held back a year. There is a project that was assigned during the start of the class Wednesday afternoon that has to be "checked off" by an instructor by 12pm Thursday. Just about everyone finished it Wednesday afternoon. But for some reason, bad luck has struck you and your project didn't work out and now you have to spend a good 3 hours trying to get it in passable shape by the 12pm deadline. And you have to go home and cram for the anatomy exam as well. Do you slave away till 7pm finish your project and lose out on valuable study time for anatomy? Or how about just borrowing a friend's project to get "checked off" as your own and head home at 4:45 with everyone else to study?

The answer I'd expect to hear in an interview is "I'd do my own work because I value hard work and take pride in my own work and learning my own lessons. It would be wrong to take credit for someone else's work."

OK, that's a good answer, definitely interview material.

But don't worry, at some point in your dental school years, you'll come across many similar scenarios yourself. Make your own decision then as to what you'd do - is it really the right thing to do, or the "right" thing to do for now?
 
I don't think it is naive to think honesty is the best policy. What is the point of being honest if you are only honest when it benefits you? That is being self serving. I would rather not get into school than sacrifice my own standards of right and wrong. And besides, if they find out he lied than he'll be even worse off than before. I just hope I am not the patient sitting in your chair when you accidently mess up and don't want me to know about it so I'll be upset. I guess it would be right for YOU then but then again, as long as it is right for you, who cares if I have to pay later to have it fixed! Or, like my mom, get an implant (and lose the tooth) becasue the dentist messed up.
 
reLAXgirl said:
I don't think it is naive to think honesty is the best policy. What is the point of being honest if you are only honest when it benefits you? That is being self serving. I would rather not get into school than sacrifice my own standards of right and wrong. And besides, if they find out he lied than he'll be even worse off than before. I just hope I am not the patient sitting in your chair when you accidently mess up and don't want me to know about it so I'll be upset. I guess it would be right for YOU then but then again, as long as it is right for you, who cares if I have to pay later to have it fixed! Or, like my mom, get an implant (and lose the tooth) becasue the dentist messed up.
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reLAXgirl, it would be wonderful if all of my dental colleagues had an attitude like yours. But unfortunately, many of them don't.

I'll PM you so this thread can stay on topic.
 
griffin04 said:
The answer I'd expect to hear in an interview is "I'd do my own work because I value hard work and take pride in my own work and learning my own lessons. It would be wrong to take credit for someone else's work."

OK, that's a good answer, definitely interview material.
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haha, this is kind of off subject but I couldn't help thinking of this when I read this. at one of my interviews, one of the questions an interviewer asked was, "what would you do if someone wanted to copy off of your class notes/tests/etc." Of course this being an interview, I was like "I wouldn't let them copy my notes unless I know they have a good reason for missing the class. Why should they get to slack off and then get a good grade while I was in class and working hard." something like that. The interviewer glared angrily at me and said "do you think you'll make a lot of friends that way? do you think you will fit in well here?" I was really taken by surprise by that... I mean he was basically saying you will not fit in at our school unless you condone cheating. 😕 my point is unfortunately you can't assume that telling the interviewer how honest you are is always the best... even if it's true. some people apparently look down on honesty.
 
omaralt said:
hey hold up man. u guys, he didnt get a FF (failure for cheating) he just got an F. more than likely that means its NOT going to show up on his record that he failed for cheating. listen, i know i'm going to get flamed for this, but everyone here would do this. dont bring it up at all. re-take the course, pass it, and just tell them that u were stupid that semester and messed around and failed it by accident. make up some stupid excuse. the odds of u getting in if u tell them u cheated are slim to none, considering that have many good candidates to choose from. ur entire future is riding on this. some ppl will tell u to tell the truth no matter what, but if something small and stupid like this keeps u from achieving ur dream of becoming a dentist, i'd do whatever is necessary to get in. good luck.

omar
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i think you may get a some type of mark in your Transcript saying like (Warning Warning Warning or something like that)i remember a kid in high school got caught cheating and he had to get a lawyer(his dad) to get that Warning label out of his transcript. If i were you i would still try to do something to Prof that caught you and beg for forgiveness or more like mercy, i am sure that there are other ways out. Good luck... my only advice is to be Honest and maybe some people that have an eye on you will give you a second chance.
 
Biogirl361 said:
haha, this is kind of off subject but I couldn't help thinking of this when I read this. at one of my interviews, one of the questions an interviewer asked was, "what would you do if someone wanted to copy off of your class notes/tests/etc." Of course this being an interview, I was like "I wouldn't let them copy my notes unless I know they have a good reason for missing the class. Why should they get to slack off and then get a good grade while I was in class and working hard." something like that. The interviewer glared angrily at me and said "do you think you'll make a lot of friends that way? do you think you will fit in well here?" I was really taken by surprise by that... I mean he was basically saying you will not fit in at our school unless you condone cheating. 😕 my point is unfortunately you can't assume that telling the interviewer how honest you are is always the best... even if it's true. some people apparently look down on honesty.
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Is borrowing class notes cheating? I never really thought it was.
 
no but, he was asking about cheating in general, not just notes. my answer was I wouldn't allow cheating and also wouldn't let someone copy my notes if i thought they were trying to shortcut going to class. They seemed to really hate that answer, i'm still trying to figure out what was so bad about it, because it seemed like something they would want to hear (and it also happened to be true).
 
Biogirl361 said:
no but, he was asking about cheating in general, not just notes. my answer was I wouldn't allow cheating and also wouldn't let someone copy my notes if i thought they were trying to shortcut going to class. They seemed to really hate that answer, i'm still trying to figure out what was so bad about it, because it seemed like something they would want to hear (and it also happened to be true).
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I guess they are looking for a teamwork environment. I know in one particular place I went, they prided themselves in having students share notes and be in a team environment. Just my opinion...
 
Now the question is, if you cheat once and you're caught are yah gonna do it again? An F on the transcript that hurts, but nothing else that states a stipulation on why you got the F, that doesn't hurt that bad. Anybody can get an F, not trying, not showing up for class, blah, blah? If you ask me thats a leniant punishment if all you get is an F, with nothing else.

That also brings me to another point, what if you got a record, jail time, misadmeanor, does that totally bar you from getting admission into dental school or any professional school for that matter, due to licensing requirements (no record in order to recieve a license to practice).

All I can say is that you put you're self in an upward climb, and it's only going to get tougher.

I would rather take a C student, who didn't cheat than an A student who cheated to get where there at.

HD
 
wimmcs said:
I guess they are looking for a teamwork environment. I know in one particular place I went, they prided themselves in having students share notes and be in a team environment. Just my opinion...
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i guess i don't consider one person not trying/ not going to class and one person working hard and then giving it away to the other person "teamwork". If I thought that both parties were trying equally hard then yes I am all for helping each other out, for example many times last semester I gave notes to and recieved notes from other pre-dents when we all had to miss a couple days for interviews. I guess it's possible I didn't make that distinction clear at the interview and they took it wrong, like I was all about NEVER giving notes or something... all i meant was that (and i've had this happen) if you go to 1/2 the classes and then ask for photocopies of the notes from the other half, I would be like um no...
 
Biogirl361 said:
i guess i don't consider one person not trying/ not going to class and one person working hard and then giving it away to the other person "teamwork". If I thought that both parties were trying equally hard then yes I am all for helping each other out, for example many times last semester I gave notes to and recieved notes from other pre-dents when we all had to miss a couple days for interviews. I guess it's possible I didn't make that distinction clear at the interview and they took it wrong, like I was all about NEVER giving notes or something... all i meant was that (and i've had this happen) if you go to 1/2 the classes and then ask for photocopies of the notes from the other half, I would be like um no...
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I totally understand what you're saying, and its funny how the team work thing gets brought up during the interview. Both interviews I went on, the interviewer expressed being able to work together on a team.

HD
 
Biogirl361 said:
all i meant was that (and i've had this happen) if you go to 1/2 the classes and then ask for photocopies of the notes from the other half, I would be like um no...
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I lost track of the number of times I had this happen to me in dental school.
 
Biogirl361 said:
haha, this is kind of off subject but I couldn't help thinking of this when I read this. at one of my interviews, one of the questions an interviewer asked was, "what would you do if someone wanted to copy off of your class notes/tests/etc." Of course this being an interview, I was like "I wouldn't let them copy my notes unless I know they have a good reason for missing the class. Why should they get to slack off and then get a good grade while I was in class and working hard." something like that. The interviewer glared angrily at me and said "do you think you'll make a lot of friends that way? do you think you will fit in well here?" I was really taken by surprise by that... I mean he was basically saying you will not fit in at our school unless you condone cheating. 😕 my point is unfortunately you can't assume that telling the interviewer how honest you are is always the best... even if it's true. some people apparently look down on honesty.
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Thanks God you are not in my class at Case. Many of my classmates and I do not care at all. If someone wanted to copy our notes, we would just let them. If they make better grade than mine, good for them. I just have to work harder and admit that I'm not smart enough. I hope your situation was not at U mich's interview.
 
HuyetKiem said:
Thanks God you are not in my class at Case. Many of my classmates and I do not care at all. If someone wanted to copy our notes, we would just let them. If they make better grade than mine, good for them. I just have to work harder and admit that I'm not smart enough. I hope your situation was not at U mich's interview.
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it wasn't.

i guess it's everyone's decision about who they see fit to give their notes out to, If you don't care who uses them then fine but I personally don't see a problem with not giving them out to the whole class, which should be fine too. I don't see any call for people to get angry over that.

alright, I'm stepping out of this thread now because everyone's getting the wrong idea and getting upset. sorry for stirring things up.
 
Good luck with everything, just to say I know a friend that got a question about cheating. she was given a mock situation and asked if she would cheat. I was asked if integrity or being intellectual was better.

So like someone said before you never really know what the adcoms see. if you applied this year and got interviews go for it, and hope for the best and defend yourself. if you get rejected try again. if you are applying next year take over the class and apply at the same time and be prepared to defend yourself again.
 
Biogirl361 said:
it wasn't.

i guess it's everyone's decision about who they see fit to give their notes out to, If you don't care who uses them then fine but I personally don't see a problem with not giving them out to the whole class, which should be fine too. I don't see any call for people to get angry over that.

alright, I'm stepping out of this thread now because everyone's getting the wrong idea and getting upset. sorry for stirring things up.
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Didn't mean to offend you. 🙂 🙂
 
Biogirl361 said:
i guess i don't consider one person not trying/ not going to class and one person working hard and then giving it away to the other person "teamwork". If I thought that both parties were trying equally hard then yes I am all for helping each other out, for example many times last semester I gave notes to and recieved notes from other pre-dents when we all had to miss a couple days for interviews. I guess it's possible I didn't make that distinction clear at the interview and they took it wrong, like I was all about NEVER giving notes or something... all i meant was that (and i've had this happen) if you go to 1/2 the classes and then ask for photocopies of the notes from the other half, I would be like um no...
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Some schools have a note service, where one person takes really good notes and sells them to students who weren't there or who want to supplement their own notes.
 
HuyetKiem said:
Didn't mean to offend you. 🙂 🙂
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oh, okay.. i thought you meant you are glad i'm not in your class b/c i'm a mean person or something... maybe you meant b/c I wouldn't like being asked to share notes... can never tell on the boards how people meant things to sound. seriously i am all for teamwork as long as everyone's in it together and it doesn't get one-sided or it's the same people asking all the time or something.

hey denty, i got that exact same question at one of my interviews, i bet it was at the same place.

note service - that's cool, i guess that pretty much solves the problem for everyone 🙂
 
Listen up, pinnacle of wisdom speaking here. You cannot let this incident affect the rest of your life. You have to apply ... and you have to get in. Everybody makes mistakes. I'm sure there are tons of people who have been involved in worse incidents that have gotten into great med/dental/law/whatever school.

How to handle it? If the cheating thing is a question on the application, you have to admit to it. First off, it's the right thing to do. Second, you'll feel better and perform better at the interview knowing that there's not this big secret. Third, if they did find out that you lied about it - you will then have zero chance of getting accepted.

Then, I dunno. I would try to add a little statement about the incident. That it was a stupid thing to do, and that you completely regret it. Not because you got caught, but because you've realized what you did was wrong. Be completely open and transparent, and I think you'll be okay. You've got to realize that the adcom is made up of people, people who I'm sure have made mistakes of their own.

Good luck bud. :luck: My heart goes out to you.
 
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