Indian Pre-Meds...

[Theory]

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Really? And how would most Indians afford to pay $16000 for hip replacement?

That's easy. As one of the posters above said, many people in India make around $1 US / day. So, simply don't spend any money for 44 years. Most people don't need hip replacements until they're well older than 44 years old, anyway, so there's no excuse not to plan ahead.

 

[artx2008]

That's easy. As one of the posters above said, many people in India make around $1 US / day. So, simply don't spend any money for 44 years. Most people don't need hip replacements until they're well older than 44 years old, anyway, so there's no excuse not to plan ahead.

Thank you, that makes sense now. And then they wait for the next 44 years to save money for heart surgery.

 

[Charles_Carmichael]

Really? And how would most Indians afford to pay $16000 for hip replacement?

As someone already mentioned, it's very unlikely to see people with hip replacements in India.

And medical care is expensive there (relative to what people generally make there). People can afford some of the expensive care because the entire family (including extended family) generally helps pay the bill, not just the immediate family. It can be extremely expensive to have relatives in the ICU. And you pay out of pocket.

 

[artx2008]

Anyway, India is not the place where to look for clues how to improve healthcare system. Here is some more information.

"The country graduates 27 000 doctors each year but most want to work in major cities. Millions must walk miles to see a physician.
A fee-levying private health care sector comprises 82% of overall health expenditures, while less than 1% of the population is covered by health insurance."(Bagchi)

The link to the source is below.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2276551/

 

[YouNeverKnow22]

i think it's more than that. i think it's a cultural thing. indian immigrants (in my experience) are much more focused on education and becoming professionals than most others. chinese are a close second.

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[scapermoya]

Anyway, India is not the place where to look for clues how to improve healthcare system. Here is some more information.

yeah, it's sort of a loaded comparison. how about comparing our system to, i don't know, a developed nation?

i'm not one of those people who think's europe's health care system is perfect. but at least people don't really die there for being poor. that's the main issue for me.

i lived in denmark for six months. even as a foreigner, I was given a CPR card that gave me unlimited free healthcare. yeah, their taxes are higher than ours. but they are also the happiest people in the world.
never really saw a homeless person there. that could have been the cold though.

 

[artx2008]

yeah, it's sort of a loaded comparison. how about comparing our system to, i don't know, a developed nation?

i'm not one of those people who think's europe's health care system is perfect. but at least people don't really die there for being poor. that's the main issue for me.

i lived in denmark for six months. even as a foreigner, I was given a CPR card that gave me unlimited free healthcare. yeah, their taxes are higher than ours. but they are also the happiest people in the world.
never really saw a homeless person there. that could have been the cold though.

Yes, I agree.

 

[Sed8&Intub8]

This person has officially become one of the most ******ed and idiotic people I have ever had the unpleasant chance to hear.

 

[RogueUnicorn]

lol

 

[scapermoya]

This person has officially become one of the most ******ed and idiotic people I have ever had the unpleasant chance to hear.

just be happy that you've never heard of him before...

 

[Sed8&Intub8]

just be happy that you've never heard of him before...

Oh, I am surely very happy

 

[anonymousername]

What this ******* in the video doesn't realize is the following:

1. What you ultimately learn to do in medicine ultimately comes down to residency training. A person can train at a random foreign school, a US school, etc. but ultimately any doctor in the US is trained in the same residency system.
2. Not every doctor produced from HMS are the greatest. There seems to be a feeling that a lot of people would not rank harvard as number one for residency always because they are more interested in clinical training then research training. And as often is pointed out on SDN by Law2doc, the best residencies for certain fields are not always at harard hospitals. I know one of the best ophtalmology residencies for instance is actually in Miami, Fl. because they have one of the leading Ophtal centers in the nation. So to use the harvard medical graduate example is not completely right.

3. This is not the olden days. These days medical schools and dental schools and medical centers in a lot of other countries are getting access to the technologies present in America and Britain and people trained in America from these countries are going back and bringing back such technologies. I know in Dehli there was a doctor who in the 1980s could have made it big in america but left NY to bring robotic heart surgery to India. And that is just one example. there are other examples too. not every foreign graduate that has come to America has stayed in america post getting the training they've wanted. And more and more people who are foreign and who have studied in europe and america are bringing the western technologies back to India. so to assume that they cannot produce the same results is absurd. If you go to the better hospitals you will get the same access to that which you get in america. But what you won't get is a doctor getting paid the same amount of money in america, drug companies making billions of dollars, and insurance agencies ripping you off to make billions of dollars.

A lot of the reason why doctors leave india is not because of lack of access to the resources but because they know they can make more money here since we charge an arm and a leg here.

PS they get the same drugs and medicines that we have available though use the more generic names.

I agree that India is not the place to look for solving our health care system as there is a lot of corruption and stuff that goes on in my own nation.

however, that guy was the biggest ******* I've seen. and totally discriminatory.

For the poor India is far worse then america. The poor just get poorer while the rich get richer. The cheap healthcare only helps the rich ultimately and not the millions upon millions of beggers and other poor people.

But why it seems so much cheaper is for the following reasons:

1. Dollar to rupee conversion is a different deal. what is 50,000 dollars to us is much more in rupees and everything in an under developed nation is going to be cheaper in the long run due to the inflation issues.

2. More to the point and with regards to what I pointed out earlier, almost every single under developed country has doctors earning much, much less pay then we do but with the education also costing pittance pay compared to the US healthcare situation. We are all going to be in 160,000 grand debt to 300,000+ debt by the time we are done. In India, cost of dental or medical education is expensive to the poor beyond poor but it is a fraction of what we pay and very cheap to an american. So there is no such thing as debt cuz if you go to medical school it means you can afford it over there.

3. In India, the pharmaceutical companies cannot make money off of medications because there are laws against that sort of capitalism on medications.

4. In India, you don't have the issues we have with big insurance companies. But for our insurance company issues, unless you are utterly homeless or an illegal if you work a full time job you qualify for insurance, if you are poor you qualify for medicaid options, if you are old beyond a certain age there is medicare. We don't have a perfect situation and we can see that when we see where california's governor is taking away money from in his budget cuts i.e. welfare and insurance for poor sort of programs. But I can assure you that a larger percentage of people in America can get good healthcare compared to India, seeing as my homeland is one where the poor are one of the largest populations of India and the situation is not improving for the ones who are most desperate for healthcare.

In other words: Glenn is wrong.

 

[scapermoya]

In other words: Glenn is wrong.

it's not even that he's factually wrong (which he is of course). the worst thing about beck is his manner and tone. he's indignant, shrill, and bullies/patronizes those who he disagrees with.

I knew a lot of kids like him in 4th grade.