Indiana IM programs?

[APACHE3]

Any input on the 3 IM programs in Indiana? Thanks

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[Hoosierdaddy]

Here are my general thoughts on the three IM programs in Indiana:

1. IU - IU is the typical academic medicine program. As a resident there, you rotate through Wishard (the county hospital for Indianapolis), Methodist (a large community "private" hospital), and the VA. All three hospitals are within 2 miles of each other. The training there is excellent. Residents have huge amounts of autonomy at Wishard and the VA. IU also offers every fellowship available through IM and tends to take there own residents for the more competitive fellowships (GI, Cards, etc). The only drawback to the program is that it's in Indiana, which makes it a little difficult to attract top medical students from outside the state. But if you're from Indiana and don't mind staying, IU is a great place to train for medicine.

2. St. Vincent's - This program is based at a large private community hospital on the north end of Indianapolis. Patients tend to have insurance, and the degree of autonomy afforded the residents is much smaller than at a a county hospital. The training is probably above average, although most of their residents intend to do primary care. They tend to take their own residents for their only fellowship (Cardiology). Most residents are from Indiana and intend to stay there for their careers.

3. Ball Memorial - This program doesn't have a great reputation from what I've heard through word of mouth. They have to recruit very hard to fill every year (mostly because they're in Muncie, which is a dinky little college town). Nearly all of their residents end up doing primary care medicine. I know the least about since I didn't rotate through that hospital as a med student.

If you're considering IU or St. V's, Indianapolis is a great city to live in (if you can tolerate cold weather for 6 months a year). It is VERY affordable and there are plenty of things to do. Let me know if you have any specific questions about any of the programs and I'll try to answer what I can.

 

[APACHE3]

nice post

 

[RuralMedicine]

Here are my general thoughts on the three IM programs in Indiana:

1. IU - IU is the typical academic medicine program. As a resident there, you rotate through Wishard (the county hospital for Indianapolis), Methodist (a large community "private" hospital), and the VA. All three hospitals are within 2 miles of each other. The training there is excellent. Residents have huge amounts of autonomy at Wishard and the VA. IU also offers every fellowship available through IM and tends to take there own residents for the more competitive fellowships (GI, Cards, etc). The only drawback to the program is that it's in Indiana, which makes it a little difficult to attract top medical students from outside the state. But if you're from Indiana and don't mind staying, IU is a great place to train for medicine.

The IU medicine program actually consists of 4 hospitals: IU Medical Center, Methodist Hospital, Wishard Memorial Hospital, and Roudebush VAMC. When I was interviewing IUMC was the Cardiology/CV hub for the system but from what I understand that has all moved to Methodist Hospital (one of the later aspects of the IU-Riley-Methodist Merger which founded Clarian Health Partners). IUMC is subspecialty driven (ie pts get admitted to the GI service, liver service, pulmonary service, etc rather than admitting to a Medicine team and consulting subspecialists this has advantages and disadvantages).

I'm not from Indiana and didn't have qualms applying, interviewing,or ranking the program for Med-Peds. The group I interviewed with appeared rather diverse, I actually don't think there was anyone in my group from Indiana (and we had roughly 12-16---I really can't recall exactly in our group) but I suspect like at most programs that the categorical programs may be a little more "inbred" than the combined programs.