Indiana SD Curriculum -In-depth speculation!!

[visbimmer79]

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Some of u guys have been criticizing on PBL.

1) I really want to hear why u think PBL is stupid.

Btw, Indiana curriculum is not 100% PBL. Yeah, 100% PBL is impossible.
Hm..frankly, I misapprehend the concept of PBL.

Indiana prerequisites include human anatomy/physiology & biochemistry.

I input my thinking in red color.
First-Year Curriculum

T501-T502 Critical Analysis of Clinical Problems (3-6 cr., 3-6 cr.) T520 Critical Thinking and Professional Behavior: An Introduction (3.5 cr.)
T530 Molecular Cell Biology (5-10 cr.)
T540 Dental Sciences I, Part I (7 cr.) T541 Dental Sciences I, Part II (8-15 cr.)
T542 Dental Sciences I, Part III (1-3 cr.)
T551 Systems Approach to Biomedical Sciences I (8-14 cr.)
T561 Orofacial Biology I (5-10 cr.)
T562 Orofacial Biology II (4-6 cr.)


---> No biochemistry ; Maybe, molecular cell bio
---> System based approach ; Cardiovascular, Immune system, organ system, etc is expected
---> No systemic anatomy / no oral anatomy
Second-Year Curriculum

T601-T602 Critical Analysis of Clinical Problems (3-6 cr., 3-6 cr.) T641 Dental Sciences II, Part I (5-15 cr.)
T642 Dental Sciences II, Part II (5-15 cr.)
T643 Dental Sciences II, Part III (5-15 cr.)
T651 Systems Approach to Biomedical Sciences II (5-10 cr.)
T661 Oral Disease and Diagnosis I (6 cr.)
T662 Oral Disease and Diagnosis II (4-6 cr.)
T663 Oral Disease and Diagnosis III—Clinical Pathologic Correlation (1.5 cr.)

-----> No pathology
----> No histology

2) Can anybody find which course is dental anatomy? (Do they cover systemic anatomy, too?)
--->Think maybe that's the reason anatomy is one of their prerequisites.

3) They look not cover much about systemic medicine.
Do u think it's because this curriculum is more focused on dentistry from the beginning? (Compare with the curriculum provided at other institution) Or Just enough with systems approaches to biomedical science in blue color?

Give any feedbacks......Thanks!

 

[DrReo]

Some of u guys have been criticizing on PBL.

1) I really want to hear why u think PBL is stupid.

Btw, Indiana curriculum is not 100% PBL. Yeah, 100% PBL is impossible.
Hm..frankly, I misapprehend the concept of PBL.

Indiana prerequisites include human anatomy/physiology & biochemistry.

I input my thinking in red color.
First-Year Curriculum

T501-T502 Critical Analysis of Clinical Problems (3-6 cr., 3-6 cr.) T520 Critical Thinking and Professional Behavior: An Introduction (3.5 cr.)
T530 Molecular Cell Biology (5-10 cr.)
T540 Dental Sciences I, Part I (7 cr.) T541 Dental Sciences I, Part II (8-15 cr.)
T542 Dental Sciences I, Part III (1-3 cr.)
T551 Systems Approach to Biomedical Sciences I (8-14 cr.)
T561 Orofacial Biology I (5-10 cr.)
T562 Orofacial Biology II (4-6 cr.)


---> No biochemistry ; Maybe, molecular cell bio
---> System based approach ; Cardiovascular, Immune system, organ system, etc is expected
---> No systemic anatomy / no oral anatomy
Second-Year Curriculum

T601-T602 Critical Analysis of Clinical Problems (3-6 cr., 3-6 cr.) T641 Dental Sciences II, Part I (5-15 cr.)
T642 Dental Sciences II, Part II (5-15 cr.)
T643 Dental Sciences II, Part III (5-15 cr.)
T651 Systems Approach to Biomedical Sciences II (5-10 cr.)
T661 Oral Disease and Diagnosis I (6 cr.)
T662 Oral Disease and Diagnosis II (4-6 cr.)
T663 Oral Disease and Diagnosis III—Clinical Pathologic Correlation (1.5 cr.)

-----> No pathology
----> No histology

2) Can anybody find which course is dental anatomy? (Do they cover systemic anatomy, too?)
--->Think maybe that's the reason anatomy is one of their prerequisites.

3) They look not cover much about systemic medicine.
Do u think it's because this curriculum is more focused on dentistry from the beginning? (Compare with the curriculum provided at other institution) Or Just enough with systems approaches to biomedical science in blue color?

Give any feedbacks......Thanks!

http://www.indiana.edu/~bulletin/iupui/dentistry/2007-2009/courses.shtml

 

[visbimmer79]

that's their curriculum.

Sounds like they cover oral, head & neck anatomy only.😛

 

[Lopyswine]

dude, you need to relax. You start way too many threads. Ease up on the colors. Its seems like you are yelling your questions at us.

I have several friends at IUSD. They were my first choice. In the end I turned them down because I wanted to live in Chicago rather than Indianapolis.

Ok, the curriculum. You take only head and neck anatomy, not whole body. You do this in the summer. Then in the Fall you are in mainly PBL curriculum. According to my friends the PBL setup has some major pros and cons. They really dont like it for the basic science classes, however they say its great for pathology and when you get to clinic. They really really really hate the triple jump exams. They say sometimes they get sick of "teaching themselves." However overall they are happy with the curriculum because they feel they are getting better training for patient care.

 

[visbimmer79]

dude, you need to relax. You start way too many threads. Ease up on the colors. Its seems like you are yelling your questions at us.

I have several friends at IUSD. They were my first choice. In the end I turned them down because I wanted to live in Chicago rather than Indianapolis.

Ok, the curriculum. You take only head and neck anatomy, not whole body. You do this in the summer. Then in the Fall you are in mainly PBL curriculum. According to my friends the PBL setup has some major pros and cons. They really dont like it for the basic science classes, however they say its great for pathology and when you get to clinic. They really really really hate the triple jump exams. They say sometimes they get sick of "teaching themselves." However overall they are happy with the curriculum because they feel they are getting better training for patient care.

and too many posts?

Dude~ I only have average 1.7posts yet! And, total of approximately 300 posts.

Anyway, it's interesting to hear they have summer head & neck anatomy class ahead.

Does it mean they start earlier than other schools?

Btw, I think they don't learn basic core curriculum thru PBL. They just use PBL to supplement their basic science courses. (Maybe, there must be sucessive progress in depth year after year!!)

What I have misapprehended is I thought their curriculum is entirely PBL.

And, this PBL course is only for two years. That's what their website is saying.

Basically, it's nothing more than case studies.

 

[Lopyswine]

and too many posts?

Dude~ I only have average 1.7posts yet! And, total of approximately 300 posts.

Anyway, it's interesting to hear they have summer head & neck anatomy class ahead.

Does it mean they start earlier than other schools?

Btw, I think they don't learn basic core curriculum thru PBL. They just use PBL to supplement their basic science courses. (Maybe, there must be sucessive progress in depth year after year!!)

What I have misapprehended is I thought their curriculum is entirely PBL.

And, this PBL course is only for two years. That's what their website is saying.

Basically, it's nothing more than case studies.

yep you're right. my friends are liars.

 

[visbimmer79]

Almost all schools provide case study learning.

However, some schools are emphasizing they have PBL curriculum.

So, I believe there is just difference in its relative importance in their curriculum. And, those PBL schools including Indiana have triple jump exam, which implies PBL makes up siginificant portion of their curriculum. (Maybe not)

Hey, understand me. This school is the only so called PBL-oriented D-school at which I have interview.

But, if u are right, all of thier basic science courses should be learned via PBL. But, it doens't make sense to learn biochemistry thru biochem-oriented PBL. Instead, I guess they will have chance to integrate what they have learned so far, what they are learning right at the moment, and what they will learn in a future thru PBL.

If anything is wrong, correct me! 🙂

 

[mep771]

and too many posts?

Dude~ I only have average 1.7posts yet!

You are hilarious. I just checked your stats and you already have 14 posts today and the day still isn't over yet.

 

[visbimmer79]

You are hilarious. I just checked your stats and you already have 14 posts today and the day still isn't over yet.

all of my interviews are almost done

My stress level is in the peak now. Man~ Got a SERIOUS COLD!

Always the last moment (and section ) is the most difficult.