Indiana to open new Osteopathic Medical School

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http://www.thestarpress.com/article...15004/Indy+college+to+open+new+medical+school

Saw this on tv today and wanted to post the good news for Indiana residents! It appears that the AOA was looking for an Indianapolis school to open a D.O. school and settled on Marion College. They just received a $30 million grant and will go ahead with development! I was always upset that every state surrounding us had a D.O. school and I was forced out of state.

Maybe I can do some rotations back home if the school gets off the ground in 2012 like they stated.

Way to go Indiana!
 
Yay, another school and no new residency slots.
 
I'm glad they kept my 30 mil donation anonymous like I asked. +1 for the new school with no residencies sentiment.
 
+1 on the interesting school choice, for whatever reason I was actually expecting to see U of I go with 2 med schools. +2 boo for no residencies.
 
I mean, I guess to be fair they can open residencies later, it would have just been cool to see a hospital affiliation, residencies, etc, with the announcement.
 
The AOA's POV: If you have the cart, you can always find starry-eyed, naive individuals to pull it later.

I wish the Wal-mart philosophy would die down. How many schools are planned right now, 20?
 
I mean, I guess to be fair they can open residencies later, it would have just been cool to see a hospital affiliation, residencies, etc, with the announcement.
In the school's defense, if you have the residency spots and then don't fill them for 2 years you lose them. That's why new schools work on establishing residencies in the 3rd and 4th years of their first class, rather than 1st. Why open them til you'll fill them?
 
This is disgusting another religous university, without any real research facilities, without a history of being a high powered institution gets an osteopathic med school. We need to stop accreditation of these sort of schools and stop all new accreditation for the foreseeable future
 
This is disgusting another religous university, without any real research facilities, without a history of being a high powered institution gets an osteopathic med school. We need to stop accreditation of these sort of schools and stop all new accreditation for the foreseeable future

Or go to an older, more well established school, do well and let the wheat separate itself from the chaff.
 
In the school's defense, if you have the residency spots and then don't fill them for 2 years you lose them. That's why new schools work on establishing residencies in the 3rd and 4th years of their first class, rather than 1st. Why open them til you'll fill them?

I think people are commenting on the lack of new residencies b/c there aren't enough osteopathic residencies at this moment and now there are new schools being planned with no announcement of future residencies.
 
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! NOT ANOTHER ONE!!! Seriously, will it every stop. Pretty soon McDonalds will be able to pass COCA accreditation. Every time that AOA allows a new DO school to open up i die a little inside. 200 more DO grads per year with 0 more residency spots. The new school will have an MCAT average of 6 and a GPA of 2.1. Im so glad that AOA is letting the DO degree get watered down even more. When is the university of phoenix online going to start their program. Maybe they can have a branch in every city in America.

Pretty soon the Osteopathic schools will be tiered into the 10 or so legit schools and 640 random schools that are an embarrasment to embarrasment. Conclusion: the AOA hates DO's and wants to make life as difficult as possible for DO's.

*I guess the only good thing is that there are 200 new people to fail or barely pass the comlex. Since the test is graded on a normal curve it will make it easier to get a really high score for the rest of you 2014ers.
 
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! NOT ANOTHER ONE!!! Seriously, will it every stop. Pretty soon McDonalds will be able to pass COCA accreditation. Every time that AOA allows a new DO school to open up i die a little inside. 200 more DO grads per year with 0 more residency spots. The new school will have an MCAT average of 6 and a GPA of 2.1. Im so glad that AOA is letting the DO degree get watered down even more. When is the university of phoenix online going to start their program. Maybe they can have a branch in every city in America.

Pretty soon the Osteopathic schools will be tiered into the 10 or so legit schools and 640 random schools that are an embarrasment to embarrasment. Conclusion: the AOA hates DO's and wants to make life as difficult as possible for DO's.

*I guess the only good thing is that there are 200 new people to fail or barely pass the comlex. Since the test is graded on a normal curve it will make it easier to get a really high score for the rest of you 2014ers.

I'm going to play devil's advocate here and look at/comment on this situation from various points of view as I can see it. REMEMBER ... this isn't my POV, just interesting food for thought ...

Obviously, first and foremost ... the expansion w/o promise of residencies MUST stop. Now, as someone pointed out ... just because they don't have residencies listed now, doesn't mean they aren't in progress, etc. Now, there are also the 3/4 years to think about, which is why I think all schools should establish links, or a home hospital, etc, THEN build their medical school ... not the other way around. It's silly and hurts students.

However, in the same sense, the recent Macy report on medical school expansion just came out and said:

"The report explores the major expansion of medical schools that began in 2000 and identifies emerging trends that reflect the impact that changes in the delivery system, the profession, and in academic structure have had on the new schools. As many osteopathic medical school graduates now enter allopathic residency programs, the report states that “it is not inconceivable that those interested in developing a new allopathic medical school might take advantage of lessons learned from the ongoing development of osteopathic schools

essentially ... for better or worse, the DO model is probably going to become much more popular in the allopathic world. I've also heard reports from new schools in Florida such as FSU and FIU that set up their 3/4 years like DO schools, since they aren't officially attached to a hospital. So basically, it's going to happen in both world, the model "works," so I wouldn't expect the AOA to change or take this as anything but a positive.

Now, another issue is statistics. It's a popular mentality to equate newer programs with lower stats ... however, in doing a little bit of research, this really doesn't hold weight. Touro-NV has only been around for a few years, but the admissions director told us their stats were 3.5 cum, 3.4 sci, and 27 MCAT during the interview day. Not too bad. It leads me to believe that people are selecting schools based on location ... not so much prestige. NV is close to West Coast, Vegas, etc, and seems to be popular based on that ... which seems to spike up the stats. Again, this is just a theory, but I'm just not sure how well new = lower stats holds up.

Furthermore, it seems like even the students who attend these schools with 'lower stats' or whatever, do alright. I mean, LECOM-B is newer, had a lower 08 COMLEX average and yet was able to match students in Gas, Rads, ENT, FP/Derm (yes kids ... you heard it, derm haha), and even ACGME Ortho. I mean ... the schools are putting out impressive physicians, despite the roadblocks and negative connotations associated with branches, new schools etc. If 20 new schools open and triple the rate of specialized DOs in practice ... I can only imagine it's going to help 'spread the world,' increase awareness, etc. Also, I know that the expansion will be bagged on, the 'lower average matriculation stats' will be harped on, but I can't imagine a large number of successful, specialized DOs that perform well on USMLE/COMLEX isn't going to silence some of this criticism.

Now, am I advocating a 2.8/23 ... am I okay for DO school, mentality? Absolutely not ... just, while playing devil's advocate here, you can see how this could silence some critics and give the powers to be more motivation. Also, I am really sure that you show pre-meds derm, ent, rads etc matches from certain schools, and they will blindly go there assuming the school will do something extra for them ... which is only going to drive up the stats.

Essentially, the fact that spots are going to become scarce either way (allo expansion) + a report saying new allo schools are going to start adhering to the DO growth model + students matching well from schools + the AOA getting $ and more DOs out there to even up the numbers makes it impossible for the AOA/COCA to say, let's slow down. Are they wrong? Probably, almost definitely ... but the game honestly may be changing. Eventually will ACGME get fed up and put their foot down with regards to matching? Probably, and I think then the AOA will do something about it or maybe they plan to have enough AOA residencies by then.

Again, this is me completely playing devil's advocate here. It's interesting to look at this situation from different points of view and see who likes/dislikes it. I'm really, really not claiming these are my beliefs, but just some food for thought I guess ...
 
I'm going to play devil's advocate here and look at/comment on this situation from various points of view as I can see it. REMEMBER ... this isn't my POV, just interesting food for thought ...

Obviously, first and foremost ... the expansion w/o promise of residencies MUST stop. Now, as someone pointed out ... just because they don't have residencies listed now, doesn't mean they aren't in progress, etc. Now, there are also the 3/4 years to think about, which is why I think all schools should establish links, or a home hospital, etc, THEN build their medical school ... not the other way around. It's silly and hurts students.

However, in the same sense, the recent Macy report on medical school expansion just came out and said:

"The report explores the major expansion of medical schools that began in 2000 and identifies emerging trends that reflect the impact that changes in the delivery system, the profession, and in academic structure have had on the new schools. As many osteopathic medical school graduates now enter allopathic residency programs, the report states that “it is not inconceivable that those interested in developing a new allopathic medical school might take advantage of lessons learned from the ongoing development of osteopathic schools

essentially ... for better or worse, the DO model is probably going to become much more popular in the allopathic world. I've also heard reports from new schools in Florida such as FSU and FIU that set up their 3/4 years like DO schools, since they aren't officially attached to a hospital. So basically, it's going to happen in both world, the model "works," so I wouldn't expect the AOA to change or take this as anything but a positive.

Now, another issue is statistics. It's a popular mentality to equate newer programs with lower stats ... however, in doing a little bit of research, this really doesn't hold weight. Touro-NV has only been around for a few years, but the admissions director told us their stats were 3.5 cum, 3.4 sci, and 27 MCAT during the interview day. Not too bad. It leads me to believe that people are selecting schools based on location ... not so much prestige. NV is close to West Coast, Vegas, etc, and seems to be popular based on that ... which seems to spike up the stats. Again, this is just a theory, but I'm just not sure how well new = lower stats holds up.

Furthermore, it seems like even the students who attend these schools with 'lower stats' or whatever, do alright. I mean, LECOM-B is newer, had a lower 08 COMLEX average and yet was able to match students in Gas, Rads, ENT, FP/Derm (yes kids ... you heard it, derm haha), and even ACGME Ortho. I mean ... the schools are putting out impressive physicians, despite the roadblocks and negative connotations associated with branches, new schools etc. If 20 new schools open and triple the rate of specialized DOs in practice ... I can only imagine it's going to help 'spread the world,' increase awareness, etc. Also, I know that the expansion will be bagged on, the 'lower average matriculation stats' will be harped on, but I can't imagine a large number of successful, specialized DOs that perform well on USMLE/COMLEX isn't going to silence some of this criticism.

Now, am I advocating a 2.8/23 ... am I okay for DO school, mentality? Absolutely not ... just, while playing devil's advocate here, you can see how this could silence some critics and give the powers to be more motivation. Also, I am really sure that you show pre-meds derm, ent, rads etc matches from certain schools, and they will blindly go there assuming the school will do something extra for them ... which is only going to drive up the stats.

Essentially, the fact that spots are going to become scarce either way (allo expansion) + a report saying new allo schools are going to start adhering to the DO growth model + students matching well from schools + the AOA getting $ and more DOs out there to even up the numbers makes it impossible for the AOA/COCA to say, let's slow down. Are they wrong? Probably, almost definitely ... but the game honestly may be changing. Eventually will ACGME get fed up and put their foot down with regards to matching? Probably, and I think then the AOA will do something about it or maybe they plan to have enough AOA residencies by then.

Again, this is me completely playing devil's advocate here. It's interesting to look at this situation from different points of view and see who likes/dislikes it. I'm really, really not claiming these are my beliefs, but just some food for thought I guess ...

Indiana is a perfect example of a state that is hard to go to medical school in because IU is the only school there, not to mention it is a public school. I gaurantee the people who apply to IU and don't get in will be the vast majority of people who take the seats at the new D.O. school. This is a good thing for the state and its residents.
 
Indiana is a perfect example of a state that is hard to go to medical school in because IU is the only school there, not to mention it is a public school. I gaurantee the people who apply to IU and don't get in will be the vast majority of people who take the seats at the new D.O. school. This is a good thing for the state and its residents.

Yeah, probably ties in with the 'location' thing ... people will want to stay in Indiana, driving the stats up, etc.
 
What's everyone's view of the rapid expansion of Osteopathic medical schools and our future careers? Is there a huge risk that these moves will devalue our degrees?
 
What's everyone's view of the rapid expansion of Osteopathic medical schools and our future careers? Is there a huge risk that these moves will devalue our degrees?

Differing opinions ... (mostly that it is too fast, not enough residency slots being established, and schools are being set up without solid ties for 3/4 year rotations)


However, I personally don't think there is a 'huge' (or any) risk that the degree will be devalued.
 
If you read the article, it seems 3 hospitals already jumped on board in regards to being affiliated with the school and even offering buildings/land to build the school. Hopefully this leads to implementation of residency programs within those hospitals.

Also, the UI dean said there would collaboration and sharing of resources (this just might be a good political phrase) (ie. their new sim lab).

I think this is really beneficial for Indiana since they only had 1 medical school. Compare it to IL (next door), which has 8, or Ohio, which has close to 8 I think as well.

I see the students who did not get into UI, go to this school. Thus both school shave like 90% indiana students.
 
If you read the article, it seems 3 hospitals already jumped on board in regards to being affiliated with the school and even offering buildings/land to build the school. Hopefully this leads to implementation of residency programs within those hospitals.

Also, the UI dean said there would collaboration and sharing of resources (this just might be a good political phrase) (ie. their new sim lab).

I think this is really beneficial for Indiana since they only had 1 medical school. Compare it to IL (next door), which has 8, or Ohio, which has close to 8 I think as well.

I see the students who did not get into UI, go to this school. Thus both school shave like 90% indiana students.

Yeah, it does sound like another school that is starting off in the 'right' direction (dare I say). I do like the fact that of the two newest schools I've heard of ... the VCOM branch is centering itself around a medical center and Indiana DO School and the Temple of Manipulation (patent pending) is hooking up with hospitals and the other med school right off the bat.
 
What's everyone's view of the rapid expansion of Osteopathic medical schools and our future careers? Is there a huge risk that these moves will devalue our degrees?

There are 120 MD schools and MORE opening up, is the MD degree being devalued?

If anything, more DO schools will produce more DOs, which will eventually lead into more DOs in practice and a greater public awareness outside of like 15 states of who/what DOs are.

I think there does exist a problem in regards to too fast/rapid expansion and NOT addressing the residency slot issue, which will come up and bite the AOA really fast in the butt in the next 10 years. I don't believe oyu can just open up new residencies overnight, so hopefully this is their top priority. (and not opening up 100 more FP spots, but a % increase across the boards on all specialties)
 
This is disgusting another religous university, without any real research facilities, without a history of being a high powered institution gets an osteopathic med school. We need to stop accreditation of these sort of schools and stop all new accreditation for the foreseeable future

Yes, because the other 5 Catholic universities with medical schools are terrible choices. 🙄
 
There are 120 MD schools and MORE opening up, is the MD degree being devalued?

If anything, more DO schools will produce more DOs, which will eventually lead into more DOs in practice and a greater public awareness outside of like 15 states of who/what DOs are.

I think there does exist a problem in regards to too fast/rapid expansion and NOT addressing the residency slot issue, which will come up and bite the AOA really fast in the butt in the next 10 years. I don't believe oyu can just open up new residencies overnight, so hopefully this is their top priority. (and not opening up 100 more FP spots, but a % increase across the boards on all specialties)

If you think about it too ...

Caribbean schools haven't devalued the MD
Online schools haven't tarnished the BS/BA
Online programs haven't devalued the MBA

... etc ....

with those examples, it probably becomes more a manner of ... where did you get it, not oh you have it, is it legit? You know?
 
My question regarding degree devaluation also ties in with the fact that the DO degree is a lesser known degree for physicians; many of us may become extremely talented physicians but if patients have a few bad experiences as a result of allowing unqualified students to participate in the newer DO programs, I felt that may be a concern.

Despite the fact that there are many new MD schools opening and Carribean schools have existed for a while, I feel that the general public would blame bad MD experiences on the specific physician and not the degree itself, whereas bad patient experiences with DO's may put the DO degree in a negative light (due to the lesser public awareness overall). It's purely speculative though.
 
There are 120 MD schools and MORE opening up, is the MD degree being devalued?

If anything, more DO schools will produce more DOs, which will eventually lead into more DOs in practice and a greater public awareness outside of like 15 states of who/what DOs are.

I think there does exist a problem in regards to too fast/rapid expansion and NOT addressing the residency slot issue, which will come up and bite the AOA really fast in the butt in the next 10 years. I don't believe oyu can just open up new residencies overnight, so hopefully this is their top priority. (and not opening up 100 more FP spots, but a % increase across the boards on all specialties)
No because LCME isn't a joke and can ensure an acceptable experience at all 120. The same can not be said for COCA.

Everyone should hope the profession doesn't go the way of law schools and DO schools especially given the level of prestige is now a large criteria in law jobs. Only a few DO schools would be viewed favorably in that sense.
 
Yes, because the other 5 Catholic universities with medical schools are terrible choices. 🙄

There is a huge difference between here and Georgetown, Creighton etc. Namely that they are research universities. I wasn't even thinking of catholic colleges in particular just a DO school at a Bible College that is opening soon.
 
There is a huge difference between here and Georgetown, Creighton etc. Namely that they are research universities. I wasn't even thinking of catholic colleges in particular just a DO school at a Bible College that is opening soon.

If you went into the DO profession for research, I think you're going to be disappointed. In fact, I think NOVA had the most active research (and most cash) out of all the DO schools.
 
If you went into the DO profession for research, I think you're going to be disappointed. In fact, I think NOVA had the most active research (and most cash) out of all the DO schools.
That is why I chose Nova. That and a longer track record. I think COCA is irresponsible to accredit new medical schools at small colleges and universities. There are several major research universities without medical schools. Small schools seldom have the facilities, endowment or the political abilities of the large schools. There should also be a residency neutral requirement i.e. you don't exacerbate the shortage. If anything we should be pushing for more public DO schools only OUCOM, OSU-COM and MSU-COM are public and Nova receives state support. In addition there is a need for more specialty slots not just as PGY-2 but as IM fellowship i.e. interventional, GI and an end to TRI before option 3 i.e. derm. We need to deal with these issues first.
 
The AAO is based out of Indianapolis, and the Cranial Academy has its office there too. I wonder how much that influenced finally getting a DO school for Indiana, and what kind of OMT emphasis it will have.
 
No because LCME isn't a joke and can ensure an acceptable experience at all 120. The same can not be said for COCA.

Everyone should hope the profession doesn't go the way of law schools and DO schools especially given the level of prestige is now a large criteria in law jobs. Only a few DO schools would be viewed favorably in that sense.

I agree with your post. However, for law schools people know which schools to view favorably. If you went to Yale or Harvard or Virginia people know you went to a really good law school. Even lay people who have no knowledge of law education have a general sense of which schools are the best and which are degree factories. However, most people wont know the difference between a favorable school (ie DMU, KCUMB, TCOM, PCOM, etc) versus a an unfavorable school.
 
Thank goodness there is finally 2 medical schools in my state! Yippee! Just the other day I responded to someone complaining about how few medical (MD and DO) schools PENNSYLVANIA had:wow: It does seem like an odd university to pick though. I'm off to read the article!
 
That is why I chose Nova. That and a longer track record. I think COCA is irresponsible to accredit new medical schools at small colleges and universities. There are several major research universities without medical schools. Small schools seldom have the facilities, endowment or the political abilities of the large schools.

You do realize that several of the well developed and older schools fall into that category? KCOM and Western, for example, are just small health science universities. No real research outside of what ever level they do that is related to medicine. No undergrad campus, etc. Should KCOM and Western have their accreditation pulled because they are "small colleges and universities?"
 
That is why I chose Nova. That and a longer track record. I think COCA is irresponsible to accredit new medical schools at small colleges and universities. There are several major research universities without medical schools. Small schools seldom have the facilities, endowment or the political abilities of the large schools. There should also be a residency neutral requirement i.e. you don't exacerbate the shortage. If anything we should be pushing for more public DO schools only OUCOM, OSU-COM and MSU-COM are public and Nova receives state support. In addition there is a need for more specialty slots not just as PGY-2 but as IM fellowship i.e. interventional, GI and an end to TRI before option 3 i.e. derm. We need to deal with these issues first.

The residency requirement/beefing up OGME/making specialized slots, I agree with 100%. Also, DOs/AOA/schools are getting more involved with research, however, remember that no matter how arbitrary, or outdated it may seem (to some), the mission of DO schools is to train physicians, specifically primary care physicians, specifically primary care physicians that can do it all (and would ideally work in an underserved area). These schools aren't research intensive, nor do they pretend to be. Furthermore, a LOT of MD schools aren't research intensive either. You think UCSF compares to a small state school (that is public) in terms of research??? No, definitely not. Even a school like KCOM or KCUMB that puts 55% into specialized residencies still has 'primary care' 'underserved' and 'complete physicians' somewhere in the aura of their mission statement. I don't think you're going to win that battle, but frankly, I don't think you need to.
 
I agree with your post. However, for law schools people know which schools to view favorably. If you went to Yale or Harvard or Virginia people know you went to a really good law school. Even lay people who have no knowledge of law education have a general sense of which schools are the best and which are degree factories. However, most people wont know the difference between a favorable school (ie DMU, KCUMB, TCOM, PCOM, etc) versus a an unfavorable school.

These schools are big dawgs ... and if something ever did happen where their alumni were affected by some sort of discrimination or demarcation with respect to the DO degree, I'd like to think they would do something about it. Schools like KCOM and PCOM aren't going to stand out and produce awesome results for 120 years just to end up slipping into some lesser category. Also, remember that even if the general public doesn't know/assumes things ... PDs will probably be smarter, and in reality, this is what matters.
 
These schools are big dawgs ... and if something ever did happen where their alumni were affected by some sort of discrimination or demarcation with respect to the DO degree, I'd like to think they would do something about it. Schools like KCOM and PCOM aren't going to stand out and produce awesome results for 120 years just to end up slipping into some lesser category. Also, remember that even if the general public doesn't know/assumes things ... PDs will probably be smarter, and in reality, this is what matters.
Right...what is going to happen is an impending residency crunch, but the students at the well established schools will be the last to feel it.
 
Right...what is going to happen is an impending residency crunch, but the students at the well established schools will be the last to feel it.

The residency crunch is inevitable. Even US MD students (after allo expansion), will feel it. My aunt is a nurse of 20+ years and I was explaining it to her the other day (expansion + number of residency programs capped from 1997) and she was shocked/had no idea. I think she actually said, 'how can they do that?' Another reason why it would be great to expand AOA residencies as much as possible.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but would residency expansion potentially alter future physician salaries (lowering them) since it would increase the overall supply of physicians?
 
Thank goodness there is finally 2 medical schools in my state! Yippee! Just the other day I responded to someone complaining about how few medical (MD and DO) schools PENNSYLVANIA had:wow: It does seem like an odd university to pick though. I'm off to read the article!
You realize, that all of the PA schools sans LECOM and PCOM don't "guarantee" you anything unless you have around a 3.7/32, right? PA might have a lot of schools but it doesn't mean you're getting love.
 
What about this data? Any thoughts for a pre-med?
Seems like increase in grads >> increase in slots.

That data simply states that AOA slots are going unfilled. I'd imagine that those unfilled slots are at the smaller, less-well known programs or many of those are in specialties that aren't especially popular in any given match. Part of those slots going unfilled tells me that D.O. grads are matching ACGME frequently and eschewing the AOA match. Since (this is speculation) many of the especially competitive (not to say that some don't stay in AOA and less competitive applicants can't and don't apply ACGME and match there) D.O.s apply and match ACGME only, it opens up some of the slots in the AOA residencies, allowing applicants to "slide up" and fill more competitive residencies. This leaves a bit of a vacuum for the lesser known or less competitive programs. Expanding osteopathic schools may help to fill those programs, but in reality there is a strong chance that a crappy program (for whatever reason makes it crappy) will remain unfilled. The burden for AOA will not be to just pop up more slots, but will be to establish more desirable residencies, in all specialties to try and keep D.O. applicants in the AOA system, or at least prevent them from being left out in the cold as allopathic schools expand in number and enrollment as osteopathic schools are doing and making each slot more and more valuable.
 
2009 DO Match Results....
Unfortunately, they do not have a breakdown "total" but they did list every state/instituition and what spots are open.

Keep in mind that these figures don't include the scramble. Typically about another 300 or so students scramble into slots after this but the figures are not available yet. Those will show up in the institutional report at the end of the year.
 
I'm not sure I'm understanding this correctly. There aren't enough residencies to go around but more than 1/3 are unfilled?
There's an "excess" of ACGME residencies. DO students will apply to those residencies. I believe about 2/3 of DO students end up going into the ACGME residencies, displacing some FMG/IMGs.
 
You do realize that several of the well developed and older schools fall into that category? KCOM and Western, for example, are just small health science universities. No real research outside of what ever level they do that is related to medicine. No undergrad campus, etc. Should KCOM and Western have their accreditation pulled because they are "small colleges and universities?"

No they shouldn't have their accreditation pulled, they are exemptions to the rule. KCOM is the oldest and WesternU/COMP is in Cali so they get better applicants. However, there are significant advantages in being within a research university and of the worst DO schools in terms of stats they are either freestanding or integrated into small non-research colleges.
 
No they shouldn't have their accreditation pulled, they are exemptions to the rule. KCOM is the oldest and WesternU/COMP is in Cali so they get better applicants. However, there are significant advantages in being within a research university and of the worst DO schools in terms of stats they are either freestanding or integrated into small non-research colleges.
Just stop.
 
~4500 Graduates
~2500 DO Spots

Thus, there are about 2000 more graduates then spots available. Those 2000 graduates, at the moment, are choosing ACGME residencies.

These graduates are ALLOWED to choose an ACGME residency which may not be the case in the future with expanding Allo classes. LCME is going to protect it's own first and it could come down to ACGME telling DO students to go play in their own sandbox.
 
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