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Hey there. After plenty of research and thought, I was sure physical therapy was for me. But I am having doubts now.

For several years I have become very interested in health, and especially alternative, natural medicine. I am not looking to debate on the matter of health, but rather state my thoughts.

I believe physical therapy mainly treats the symptoms, not the cause. When I did my PT shadowing, I noticed almost every pt was overweight and out of shape. No wonder they had so much joint pain! I could always become a licensed PT, then become a certified clinical nutritionist/strength & conditioning specialist...if that would work.

Anyway, I want the autonomy of course, I want some respect (not in an arrogant way, just not to be treated like the chiros...), some freedom. But the question is: How much freedom will I have to mold my practice into what I believe?

I do not believe in the conventional medicine practices going on today. I believe surgery and drugs have their place, but are many times treating symptoms, not causes. I want to be able to deeply discuss health with people in need, which is just about everyone in this country.

If they have concerns about their diet, we'll talk diet, and in depth. If they want to talk about sleep, stress, spirituality, exercise, etc we will. Perhaps that's some wishful thinking, but you get the idea.

I like naturopathy, but it seems naturopathic doctors (N.D.'s) are paid little, even though they too go through med school. So having said this, if I was able to become an M.D., would I be able to practice non-conventional medicine/healing? Is it mainly a physiatry thing?

As far as chiropractic...not enough respect, and I hear that many are neck deep in debt. What do I know though right? Let me know your thoughts please. I just want to have financial security and the ability to change lives for the better. As a PT, I would have to take orders from an MD/DO anyway...
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Aero SSX said:
Hey there. After plenty of research and thought, I was sure physical therapy was for me. But I am having doubts now.

For several years I have become very interested in health, and especially alternative, natural medicine. I am not looking to debate on the matter of health, but rather state my thoughts.

I believe physical therapy mainly treats the symptoms, not the cause. When I did my PT shadowing, I noticed almost every pt was overweight and out of shape. No wonder they had so much joint pain! I could always become a licensed PT, then become a certified clinical nutritionist/strength & conditioning specialist...if that would work.

Anyway, I want the autonomy of course, I want some respect (not in an arrogant way, just not to be treated like the chiros...), some freedom. But the question is: How much freedom will I have to mold my practice into what I believe?

I do not believe in the conventional medicine practices going on today. I believe surgery and drugs have their place, but are many times treating symptoms, not causes. I want to be able to deeply discuss health with people in need, which is just about everyone in this country.

If they have concerns about their diet, we'll talk diet, and in depth. If they want to talk about sleep, stress, spirituality, exercise, etc we will. Perhaps that's some wishful thinking, but you get the idea.

I like naturopathy, but it seems naturopathic doctors (N.D.'s) are paid little, even though they too go through med school. So having said this, if I was able to become an M.D., would I be able to practice non-conventional medicine/healing? Is it mainly a physiatry thing?

As far as chiropractic...not enough respect, and I hear that many are neck deep in debt. What do I know though right? Let me know your thoughts please. I just want to have financial security and the ability to change lives for the better. As a PT, I would have to take orders from an MD/DO anyway...
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Sorry to break it to you, Dr. Oz, but statements like these are essentially going to make you dead on arrival when it comes to admissions. If you want to pursue alternative medicine, MD/DO is NOT the route to go.
 
Doctor Strange said:
Sorry to break it to you, Dr. Oz, but statements like these are essentially going to make you dead on arrival when it comes to admissions. If you want to pursue alternative medicine, MD/DO is NOT the route to go.
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Hahahahaha. It all makes sense now. Thanks for the response. That's the only answer I needed. I will pursue PT and branch out from there. As mouth-watering as those Big Pharma cruises sound, I think I'll pass.

Maybe next time I see a doc I'll bring in photos of me drinking raw milk, doing weighted back squats and throwing away prescription bottles. Or perhaps I'll brag about high cholesterol levels, eating many whole eggs and red meats, and eating a high fat diet. Don't forget about throwing away fluoride toothpaste either! But I bet the dentist would like that more.

By the way, don't call me Dr. Oz please. While much of his advice is sound, I'd rather not be compared to someone who suggests not to spend more than a half hour in the sun on a given day. Our ancestors would have died laughing.

Peace.
 
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Aero SSX said:
I like naturopathy, but it seems naturopathic doctors (N.D.'s) are paid little, even though they too go through med school.
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Let's be clear. NDs do not go through med school any more than RNs or PTs go through med school. They are paid little because we don't recognize them as physicians. Period.

Now then, you're going to have a long hard road if you don't want to practice any sort of 'conventional' medicine. You go to medical school to learn conventional medicine. Yes, some go on to do naturopathic medicine or whatever, but they're typically those in the older generation who can afford to do such a thing.

What you're wanting is time with patients, which is something you really won't have with conventional medicine. Just as psychiatrists don't do much therapy anymore because they don't have the time and there are therapists to pick up the slack, MD/DOs don't have long counseling sessions and the intensive management that comes with many weight loss regimens.

If that's what you want, I suggest going to become an RD or personal trainer. You'll have the time, motivated patients, and you won't be forced to do something that you 'hate' for several years before you can get to where you design your own practice.
 
Aero SSX said:
By the way, don't call me Dr. Oz please. While much of his advice is sound, I'd rather not be compared to someone who suggests not to spend more than a half hour in the sun on a given day. Our ancestors would have died laughing.
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You mean the ones that were lucky to make it to age 30? :naughty:
 
Aero SSX said:
Hahahahaha. It all makes sense now. Thanks for the response. That's the only answer I needed. I will pursue PT and branch out from there. As mouth-watering as those Big Pharma cruises sound, I think I'll pass.

Maybe next time I see a doc I'll bring in photos of me drinking raw milk, doing weighted back squats and throwing away prescription bottles. Or perhaps I'll brag about high cholesterol levels, eating many whole eggs and red meats, and eating a high fat diet. Don't forget about throwing away fluoride toothpaste either! But I bet the dentist would like that more.

By the way, don't call me Dr. Oz please. While much of his advice is sound, I'd rather not be compared to someone who suggests not to spend more than a half hour in the sun on a given day. Our ancestors would have died laughing.

Peace.
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You show 'em bro. Now go away.
 
Aero SSX said:
Hey there. After plenty of research and thought, I was sure physical therapy was for me. But I am having doubts now.

For several years I have become very interested in health, and especially alternative, natural medicine. I am not looking to debate on the matter of health, but rather state my thoughts.

I believe physical therapy mainly treats the symptoms, not the cause. When I did my PT shadowing, I noticed almost every pt was overweight and out of shape. No wonder they had so much joint pain! I could always become a licensed PT, then become a certified clinical nutritionist/strength & conditioning specialist...if that would work.

Anyway, I want the autonomy of course, I want some respect (not in an arrogant way, just not to be treated like the chiros...), some freedom. But the question is: How much freedom will I have to mold my practice into what I believe?

I do not believe in the conventional medicine practices going on today. I believe surgery and drugs have their place, but are many times treating symptoms, not causes. I want to be able to deeply discuss health with people in need, which is just about everyone in this country.

If they have concerns about their diet, we'll talk diet, and in depth. If they want to talk about sleep, stress, spirituality, exercise, etc we will. Perhaps that's some wishful thinking, but you get the idea.

I like naturopathy, but it seems naturopathic doctors (N.D.'s) are paid little, even though they too go through med school. So having said this, if I was able to become an M.D., would I be able to practice non-conventional medicine/healing? Is it mainly a physiatry thing?

As far as chiropractic...not enough respect, and I hear that many are neck deep in debt. What do I know though right? Let me know your thoughts please. I just want to have financial security and the ability to change lives for the better. As a PT, I would have to take orders from an MD/DO anyway...
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I don't know how natural you're talking but there are some medical schools that have programs on integrative medicine. I used to have a list. I'll see if I still have it. I think that Boston U offers a Master in Complimentary and Alternative Medicine.

But ND and MD are two very different things. If you're really against modern bio-medicine I don't think an MD would be something you'd be happy with. If, however, you're looking into a more holistic approach to health and medicine and integrating alternative therapies into modern medicine I think an MD would be a great option. You'd probably need to do some other things to supplement it though. Once you have your degrees, how you practice is up to you (within the confines of the law). Also DO is supposed to be more holistic than MD so that may also be an option.

Also, you talk a lot about treating the symptom versus treating the problem. What do you mean specifically when you say that?
 
Aero SSX said:
Hahahahaha. It all makes sense now. Thanks for the response. That's the only answer I needed. I will pursue PT and branch out from there. As mouth-watering as those Big Pharma cruises sound, I think I'll pass.

Maybe next time I see a doc I'll bring in photos of me drinking raw milk, doing weighted back squats and throwing away prescription bottles. Or perhaps I'll brag about high cholesterol levels, eating many whole eggs and red meats, and eating a high fat diet. Don't forget about throwing away fluoride toothpaste either! But I bet the dentist would like that more.

By the way, don't call me Dr. Oz please. While much of his advice is sound, I'd rather not be compared to someone who suggests not to spend more than a half hour in the sun on a given day. Our ancestors would have died laughing.

Peace.
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Aero SSX said:
But the question is: How much freedom will I have to mold my practice into what I believe?

I do not believe in the conventional medicine practices going on today. I believe surgery and drugs have their place, but are many times treating symptoms, not causes.
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This makes it sound like you only want to learn what you already think you know... You don't want to learn conventional 'Western' medicine because you've already decided it's wrong. Or: "Don't talk to me about evolution. I've already read the bible and made up my mind." In other words, your philosophy is, at this point, uninformed, and you're wanting to keep it that way.


Aero SSX said:
I want to be able to deeply discuss health with people in need, which is just about everyone in this country.

If they have concerns about their diet, we'll talk diet, and in depth. If they want to talk about sleep, stress, spirituality, exercise, etc we will.
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If they're deeply concerned about their diets and their health, as a rule, they're not going to be the fat people with sore joints. People who are so deeply concerned about their health and diets don't get that overweight to begin with...

Sounds to me like you're looking for professional credentials to prop-up your quack plan...
 
Also, you talk a lot about treating the symptom versus treating the problem. What do you mean specifically when you say that?
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Modern medicine should be called "pain management" because it rarely CURES the patient of DISEASES by treating CAUSES.

You have dry scalp? Use a medicate shampoo. You have heart burn? You're obese? You have bloating, diarrhea, constipation? You have _______? Here, take pills! Here, medication!

Don't get off your ass and exercise. Don't eat organic foods free of pesticides and God knows what else.

Here, take this vaccination that may have carcinogens. Ignore nature. Ignore herbs and spices. Use chemotherapy, which will kill all of you and RARELY CURES CANCER! Drink pasteurized milk full of blood, puss, growth hormone and antibiotics, milked many times a day by cows in CAFOs. If you don't know CAFO's, google it.

Medical school was designed by Big Pharma. Your books were written by Big Pharma. You are programmed to sell drugs. You are given trips and cruises as incentives to trust BP, to push their cause. To teach with vigor and passion.

Why are you taught to push drugs? Drugs are pain management. They keep people sick. What does that do? Well, it keeps profits up. A healed person cannot be profitable. A dead person cannot be profitable. So what does the drug do? IT MANAGES PAIN!

Drugs. Do. Not. Cure.

Nature cures. Cancer can be cured. Look up "Burzynski" on Youtube. Look at the FDA, look at the other big corporations. How they oppose raw foods like raw milk. How they oppose sunlight, the provider of "vitamin" D. How the promote GMO's, horrible, disgusting, pathetic foods.

You can't digest pasteurized milk? Oh, well you're obviously lactose intolerant, says the Doc. Actually, they're probably pasteurized milk intolerant. Pasteurized milk does not contain lactase, which is required to digest the lactose in the milk. Raw milk contains lactase and all of the beneficial bacteria destroyed in pasteurization. Not to mention raw milk should come from small farms that allow cattle to roam freely and happily while eating grass.

You have inflammation? Take cortisone shots. Have surgery. Have migraines? Take this medicine. Have depression? Take this anti-depressant. Never mind that exercise cures depression better than pills do.

Oh and forget eating healthy, unprocessed foods, eat refined carbs that the FDA touts as healthy, as do brainwashed RD's who say processed carbs are helpful. Yep, fat is bad for you, carbs are great. That's why this nation, which now eats less fat and more carbs, is getting fatter each year. Forget the evidence that refined carbs/other foods and sugar make you fat, cause acne, are breeding grounds for cancer, and much more. Oh and vigorous exercise? Nah. It only produces growth hormone that reverses aging and improves the body tremendously.

I could go on forever. For those who actually care about the truth. Do some research. Go to Weston Price's website. Go to Mercola's website. Don't believe a word the FDA, CDC or any other big corporation says if they have a vested interest in conventional medicine. Watch Youtube videos, read between the lines.

You might be surprised at what you find. The FDA has taken out so many statements that include the word "cancer" when attributed to certain foods or medical exposures and replace them with more reassuring words to deceive the public.

I don't care if I'm banned. This world sucks anyway. Truth is the only cure.
 
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I haven't been out looking for a job as an MD physician, so it's just an impression but I find it hard to imagine that an MD education wouldn't make you very competitive as your refined your practice by accenting your education with alternative or holistic medicine. If you really have alternative views or something though, medical school would just end up being a struggle, I bet. Then I would just try and go for something else.
 
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Aero SSX said:
Modern medicine should be called "pain management" because it rarely CURES the patient of DISEASES by treating CAUSES.

You have dry scalp? Use a medicate shampoo. You have heart burn? You're obese? You have bloating, diarrhea, constipation? You have _______? Here, take pills! Here, medication!

Don't get off your ass and exercise. Don't eat organic foods free of pesticides and God knows what else.

Here, take this vaccination that may have carcinogens. Ignore nature. Ignore herbs and spices. Use chemotherapy, which will kill all of you and RARELY CURES CANCER! Drink pasteurized milk full of blood, puss, growth hormone and antibiotics, milked many times a day by cows in CAFOs. If you don't know CAFO's, google it.

Medical school was designed by Big Pharma. Your books were written by Big Pharma. You are programmed to sell drugs. You are given trips and cruises as incentives to trust BP, to push their cause. To teach with vigor and passion.

Why are you taught to push drugs? Drugs are pain management. They keep people sick. What does that do? Well, it keeps profits up. A healed person cannot be profitable. A dead person cannot be profitable. So what does the drug do? IT MANAGES PAIN!

Drugs. Do. Not. Cure.

Nature cures. Cancer can be cured. Look up "Burzynski" on Youtube. Look at the FDA, look at the other big corporations. How they oppose raw foods like raw milk. How they oppose sunlight, the provider of "vitamin" D. How the promote GMO's, horrible, disgusting, pathetic foods.

You can't digest pasteurized milk? Oh, well you're obviously lactose intolerant, says the Doc. Actually, they're probably pasteurized milk intolerant. Pasteurized milk does not contain lactase, which is required to digest the lactose in the milk. Raw milk contains lactase and all of the beneficial bacteria destroyed in pasteurization. Not to mention raw milk should come from small farms that allow cattle to roam freely and happily while eating grass.

You have inflammation? Take cortisone shots. Have surgery. Have migraines? Take this medicine. Have depression? Take this anti-depressant. Never mind that exercise cures depression better than pills do.

Oh and forget eating healthy, unprocessed foods that the FDA touts as healthy, as do brainwashed RD's who say processed carbs are helpful. Yep, fat is bad for you, carbs are great. That's why this nation, which now eats less fat and more carbs, is getting fatter each year. Forget the evidence that refined carbs/other foods and sugar make you fat, cause acne, are breeding grounds for cancer, and much more. Oh and vigorous exercise? Nah. It only produces growth hormone that reverses aging and improves the body tremendously.

I could go on forever. For those who actually care about the truth. Do some research. Go to Weston Price's website. Go to Mercola's website. Don't believe a word the FDA, CDC or any other big corporation says if they have a vested interest in conventional medicine. Watch Youtube videos, read between the lines.

You might be surprised at what you find. The FDA has taken out so many statements that include the word "cancer" when attributed to certain foods or medical exposures and replace them with more reassuring words to deceive the public.

I don't care if I'm banned. This world sucks anyway. Truth is the only cure.
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maybe start working on building your case?.... do studies or coordinate with investigators?
 
Aero SSX said:
Modern medicine should be called "pain management" because it rarely CURES the patient of DISEASES by treating CAUSES.

You have dry scalp? Use a medicate shampoo. You have heart burn? You're obese? You have bloating, diarrhea, constipation? You have _______? Here, take pills! Here, medication!

Don't get off your ass and exercise. Don't eat organic foods free of pesticides and God knows what else.

Here, take this vaccination that may have carcinogens. Ignore nature. Ignore herbs and spices. Use chemotherapy, which will kill all of you and RARELY CURES CANCER! Drink pasteurized milk full of blood, puss, growth hormone and antibiotics, milked many times a day by cows in CAFOs. If you don't know CAFO's, google it.

Medical school was designed by Big Pharma. Your books were written by Big Pharma. You are programmed to sell drugs. You are given trips and cruises as incentives to trust BP, to push their cause. To teach with vigor and passion.

Why are you taught to push drugs? Drugs are pain management. They keep people sick. What does that do? Well, it keeps profits up. A healed person cannot be profitable. A dead person cannot be profitable. So what does the drug do? IT MANAGES PAIN!

Drugs. Do. Not. Cure.

Nature cures. Cancer can be cured. Look up "Burzynski" on Youtube. Look at the FDA, look at the other big corporations. How they oppose raw foods like raw milk. How they oppose sunlight, the provider of "vitamin" D. How the promote GMO's, horrible, disgusting, pathetic foods.

You can't digest pasteurized milk? Oh, well you're obviously lactose intolerant, says the Doc. Actually, they're probably pasteurized milk intolerant. Pasteurized milk does not contain lactase, which is required to digest the lactose in the milk. Raw milk contains lactase and all of the beneficial bacteria destroyed in pasteurization. Not to mention raw milk should come from small farms that allow cattle to roam freely and happily while eating grass.

You have inflammation? Take cortisone shots. Have surgery. Have migraines? Take this medicine. Have depression? Take this anti-depressant. Never mind that exercise cures depression better than pills do.

Oh and forget eating healthy, unprocessed foods that the FDA touts as healthy, as do brainwashed RD's who say processed carbs are helpful. Yep, fat is bad for you, carbs are great. That's why this nation, which now eats less fat and more carbs, is getting fatter each year. Forget the evidence that refined carbs/other foods and sugar make you fat, cause acne, are breeding grounds for cancer, and much more. Oh and vigorous exercise? Nah. It only produces growth hormone that reverses aging and improves the body tremendously.

I could go on forever. For those who actually care about the truth. Do some research. Go to Weston Price's website. Go to Mercola's website. Don't believe a word the FDA, CDC or any other big corporation says if they have a vested interest in conventional medicine. Watch Youtube videos, read between the lines.

You might be surprised at what you find. The FDA has taken out so many statements that include the word "cancer" when attributed to certain foods or medical exposures and replace them with more reassuring words to deceive the public.

I don't care if I'm banned. This world sucks anyway. Truth is the only cure.
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Ook. Then yeh I don't think an MD would be something you would be interested in pursuing. I don't necessarily think your views are wrong. I do think there is a lot of good that can be found in more natural remedies but you don't seem to have any respect or faith in modern medical practices at all so you would not like medical school.
 
I don't understand what's inherently bad about drugs and surgery?

Alot of people have this mentality that because something is more "natural", it's somehow healthier or better...
 
Aero SSX said:
Modern medicine should be called "pain management" because it rarely CURES the patient of DISEASES by treating CAUSES.

You have dry scalp? Use a medicate shampoo. You have heart burn? You're obese? You have bloating, diarrhea, constipation? You have _______? Here, take pills! Here, medication!

Don't get off your ass and exercise. Don't eat organic foods free of pesticides and God knows what else.

Here, take this vaccination that may have carcinogens. Ignore nature. Ignore herbs and spices. Use chemotherapy, which will kill all of you and RARELY CURES CANCER! Drink pasteurized milk full of blood, puss, growth hormone and antibiotics, milked many times a day by cows in CAFOs. If you don't know CAFO's, google it.

Medical school was designed by Big Pharma. Your books were written by Big Pharma. You are programmed to sell drugs. You are given trips and cruises as incentives to trust BP, to push their cause. To teach with vigor and passion.

Why are you taught to push drugs? Drugs are pain management. They keep people sick. What does that do? Well, it keeps profits up. A healed person cannot be profitable. A dead person cannot be profitable. So what does the drug do? IT MANAGES PAIN!

Drugs. Do. Not. Cure.

Nature cures. Cancer can be cured. Look up "Burzynski" on Youtube. Look at the FDA, look at the other big corporations. How they oppose raw foods like raw milk. How they oppose sunlight, the provider of "vitamin" D. How the promote GMO's, horrible, disgusting, pathetic foods.

You can't digest pasteurized milk? Oh, well you're obviously lactose intolerant, says the Doc. Actually, they're probably pasteurized milk intolerant. Pasteurized milk does not contain lactase, which is required to digest the lactose in the milk. Raw milk contains lactase and all of the beneficial bacteria destroyed in pasteurization. Not to mention raw milk should come from small farms that allow cattle to roam freely and happily while eating grass.

You have inflammation? Take cortisone shots. Have surgery. Have migraines? Take this medicine. Have depression? Take this anti-depressant. Never mind that exercise cures depression better than pills do.

Oh and forget eating healthy, unprocessed foods, eat refined carbs that the FDA touts as healthy, as do brainwashed RD's who say processed carbs are helpful. Yep, fat is bad for you, carbs are great. That's why this nation, which now eats less fat and more carbs, is getting fatter each year. Forget the evidence that refined carbs/other foods and sugar make you fat, cause acne, are breeding grounds for cancer, and much more. Oh and vigorous exercise? Nah. It only produces growth hormone that reverses aging and improves the body tremendously.

I could go on forever. For those who actually care about the truth. Do some research. Go to Weston Price's website. Go to Mercola's website. Don't believe a word the FDA, CDC or any other big corporation says if they have a vested interest in conventional medicine. Watch Youtube videos, read between the lines.

You might be surprised at what you find. The FDA has taken out so many statements that include the word "cancer" when attributed to certain foods or medical exposures and replace them with more reassuring words to deceive the public.

I don't care if I'm banned. This world sucks anyway. Truth is the only cure.
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Lol @ suggesting Mercola is a decent resource. The guy is a huge quack. I've seen him advocate for people who think all cancers are caused by fungus.
I'd think you're a troll but sadly I actually know people who are dumb enough to believe this stupidity.
 
Radon XP said:
I don't understand what's inherently bad about drugs and surgery?

Alot of people have this mentality that because something is more "natural", it's somehow healthier or better...
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A lot of people in my family are very much 'drugs should only be a last resort' and the argument is often that there are a lot of unnecessary side affects associated with drugs and as the OP has stated, they don't really treat the underlying problem, they just address the symptom. The belief is that more natural remedies do not have as many negative side effects. I think it is a valid concern many people have.

I've never really heard many people being against surgery though so I'm not sure what the argument against it is.
 
Aero SSX said:
Modern medicine should be called "pain management" because it rarely CURES the patient of DISEASES by treating CAUSES.

You have dry scalp? Use a medicate shampoo. You have heart burn? You're obese? You have bloating, diarrhea, constipation? You have _______? Here, take pills! Here, medication!

Don't get off your ass and exercise. Don't eat organic foods free of pesticides and God knows what else.

Here, take this vaccination that may have carcinogens. Ignore nature. Ignore herbs and spices. Use chemotherapy, which will kill all of you and RARELY CURES CANCER! Drink pasteurized milk full of blood, puss, growth hormone and antibiotics, milked many times a day by cows in CAFOs. If you don't know CAFO's, google it.

Medical school was designed by Big Pharma. Your books were written by Big Pharma. You are programmed to sell drugs. You are given trips and cruises as incentives to trust BP, to push their cause. To teach with vigor and passion.

Why are you taught to push drugs? Drugs are pain management. They keep people sick. What does that do? Well, it keeps profits up. A healed person cannot be profitable. A dead person cannot be profitable. So what does the drug do? IT MANAGES PAIN!

Drugs. Do. Not. Cure.

Nature cures. Cancer can be cured. Look up "Burzynski" on Youtube. Look at the FDA, look at the other big corporations. How they oppose raw foods like raw milk. How they oppose sunlight, the provider of "vitamin" D. How the promote GMO's, horrible, disgusting, pathetic foods.

You can't digest pasteurized milk? Oh, well you're obviously lactose intolerant, says the Doc. Actually, they're probably pasteurized milk intolerant. Pasteurized milk does not contain lactase, which is required to digest the lactose in the milk. Raw milk contains lactase and all of the beneficial bacteria destroyed in pasteurization. Not to mention raw milk should come from small farms that allow cattle to roam freely and happily while eating grass.

You have inflammation? Take cortisone shots. Have surgery. Have migraines? Take this medicine. Have depression? Take this anti-depressant. Never mind that exercise cures depression better than pills do.

Oh and forget eating healthy, unprocessed foods, eat refined carbs that the FDA touts as healthy, as do brainwashed RD's who say processed carbs are helpful. Yep, fat is bad for you, carbs are great. That's why this nation, which now eats less fat and more carbs, is getting fatter each year. Forget the evidence that refined carbs/other foods and sugar make you fat, cause acne, are breeding grounds for cancer, and much more. Oh and vigorous exercise? Nah. It only produces growth hormone that reverses aging and improves the body tremendously.

I could go on forever. For those who actually care about the truth. Do some research. Go to Weston Price's website. Go to Mercola's website. Don't believe a word the FDA, CDC or any other big corporation says if they have a vested interest in conventional medicine. Watch Youtube videos, read between the lines.

You might be surprised at what you find. The FDA has taken out so many statements that include the word "cancer" when attributed to certain foods or medical exposures and replace them with more reassuring words to deceive the public.

I don't care if I'm banned. This world sucks anyway. Truth is the only cure.
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You will fit right in at a naturopathic school, OP, I would pursue that vigorously.

Oh... and the beneficial bacteria in unpasteurized milk, perhaps you mean

Camplyobacter ... http://www.promedmail.org/direct.php?id=20130627.1794212

E Coli http://www.promedmail.org/direct.php?id=20120627.1182388

http://www.promedmail.org/direct.php?id=20111125.3449

Salmonella http://www.promedmail.org/direct.php?id=20100517.1616
 
wanderer said:
Lol @ suggesting Mercola is a decent resource. The guy is a huge quack. I've seen him advocate for people who think all cancers are caused by fungus.
I'd think you're a troll but sadly I actually know people who are dumb enough to believe this stupidity.
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I haven't looked at all of his site, so I cannot speak for it. However, much of what I've read is sound advice. Very sound. And lol @ thinking I'm dumb. I never said all cancers cause fungus bro.

Seems like some of you pre-meds already have a big head. Don't think you're smarter than me, because even if you are, many of you are brainwashed. Doesn't really matter if you believe it or not. Hell, I hear radiation therapy pays better than physical therapy, doesn't mean it's right.
 
xffan624 said:
You will fit right in at a naturopathic school, OP, I would pursue that vigorously.

Oh... and the beneficial bacteria in unpasteurized milk, perhaps you mean

Camplyobacter ... http://www.promedmail.org/direct.php?id=20130627.1794212

E Coli http://www.promedmail.org/direct.php?id=20120627.1182388

http://www.promedmail.org/direct.php?id=20111125.3449

Salmonella http://www.promedmail.org/direct.php?id=20100517.1616
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You're a *****. I live in Minnesota. The Cambridge farm caused illness because they allowed customers to scoop milk themselves. No one in their right mind allows that. The milk container and all equipment is sanitized, as are the jars that you bring with to fill up. You don't open the container and let people get their own milk. There's a tube outside of the container that feeds milk into jars/container of your choice.

Another big corporation with no clue. I just had raw milk a little bit ago. Tasted great. In fact, it doesn't make me get bloated or have gas like store milk. Wonder why....

By the way, you'll be a great MD. You'll be the puppet, Big Pharma will be the ventriloquist.
 
I read some stuff on the internet once. Therefore, I know more than anyone else who disagrees with me.

OP must be a troll. He's the perfect storm of ******.
 
Aero SSX said:
You're a *****. I live in Minnesota. The Cambridge farm caused illness because they allowed customers to scoop milk themselves. No one in their right mind allows that. The milk container and all equipment is sanitized, as are the jars that you bring with to fill up. You don't open the container and let people get their own milk. There's a tube outside of the container that feeds milk into jars/container of your choice.

Another big corporation with no clue. I just had raw milk a little bit ago. Tasted great. In fact, it doesn't make me get bloated or have gas like store milk. Wonder why....

By the way, you'll be a great MD. You'll be the puppet, Big Pharma will be the ventriloquist.
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Pray tell, fellow *****... what is a
physiatry thing
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?
 
Have you looked into Chinese herbal medicine? Depending on where you study it you can be a primary care physician after you complete your classes.
 
Aero SSX said:
Modern medicine should be called "pain management" because it rarely CURES the patient of DISEASES by treating CAUSES.

You have dry scalp? Use a medicate shampoo. You have heart burn? You're obese? You have bloating, diarrhea, constipation? You have _______? Here, take pills! Here, medication!

Don't get off your ass and exercise. Don't eat organic foods free of pesticides and God knows what else.
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You're talking about two separate issues. Lifestyle changes are definitely needed on the part of many people, but how does that diminish the legitimacy of medication?

Here, take this vaccination that may have carcinogens. Ignore nature. Ignore herbs and spices. Use chemotherapy, which will kill all of you and RARELY CURES CANCER! Drink pasteurized milk full of blood, puss, growth hormone and antibiotics, milked many times a day by cows in CAFOs. If you don't know CAFO's, google it.
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This is an issue of agriculture and ecology, not medicine.

You can't digest pasteurized milk? Oh, well you're obviously lactose intolerant, says the Doc. Actually, they're probably pasteurized milk intolerant. Pasteurized milk does not contain lactase, which is required to digest the lactose in the milk. Raw milk contains lactase and all of the beneficial bacteria destroyed in pasteurization. Not to mention raw milk should come from small farms that allow cattle to roam freely and happily while eating grass.
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I support organic foods too. Nevertheless, this isn't a medical problem.

You have inflammation? Take cortisone shots. Have surgery. Have migraines? Take this medicine. Have depression? Take this anti-depressant. Never mind that exercise cures depression better than pills do.
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Why can't you have both?

I think many of us would agree with many of your sentiments, but your beef isn't with scientific medicine. Instead, it's with agribusiness and the pursuit of profits before health.

Also, your line of reasoning is silly. Yes, there are herbs and natural remedies that help people, but why do you think this is the case? It's because these herbs contain substances that have medicinal properties. What, then, is the problem with extracting these substances and providing them to the public in convenient pill form?

It isn't like herbs and natural remedies are somehow imbued with special vitality or magic. There are scientific processes at work that are simply isolated and streamlined by medical professionals.
 
The trolls are out in force today.

Why are you on a forum full of premeds mocking the practice of medicine? What's the point? What do you expect to get out of it?
 
I can imagine you as that one person, who holds out on some injury because your fear of the hospital and BigPharma is too great, and your pride in knowing the ins and outs of preventative medicine is so large that it masks the ability that you NEED medical attention that will require drugs of fast action. And you end up up and dying.

Or that other person who chooses iodine free salt because you heard that big pharma is doing it to brain wash us. Enjoy the goiter.

I also actually heard from an ND that drinking a lot of raw milk in one sitting will cleanse your body of all it's toxins. About 2 gallons actually. You should try it out!
 
Most doctors try to do education on diet & lifestyle when they can, because we all know that will do more than other later interventions. This is common knowledge in allopathic medicine. It is not some magic thing that only "holistic" providers know about. But it turns out that a short patient visit usually doesn't magically change a person's habits. I personally don't think that nutrition should be something that we consider "medicalized." You shouldn't pay $100 for a physician visit to be prescribed broccoli. It needs to be built into our national culture and our food production/distribution systems, both of which are poisonous in the long run. As Radon XP said above, it's an issue of agriculture and ecology. There is only so much influence we can have as doctors. OP, you might also research the field of public health.

Also:

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Let's be clear. NDs do not go through med school any more than RNs or PTs go through med school. They are paid little because we don't recognize them as physicians. Period.
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I wanted to point out that this is incorrect. I worked in a clinic for three years that hosted ND student rotations, and employed a couple of NDs alongside our MDs. I think their program is less rigorous than MD schools, but they are capable of serving as primary care physicians, and are recognized by our state government as such. The program is 4 years, with a similar preclinical/clinical breakdown and they are trained in conventional medicine as well. If someone needs an antibiotic, they get prescribed an antibiotic and not homeopathy. They have consistently been very important members of our care teams. The responsible ones consult MDs on more complicated patients.

I gotta say though, the ND license has limitations and I am increasingly seeing NDs going back to school to get licenced as MDs, PAs, or RN/NPs because building a career as an ND is harder. When friends of mine consider going the ND route I usually try to gently dissuade them based on that, since MDs can learn about integrative medicine on the side anyway.
 
OP,

Unlike other posters, I don't think you are a troll or sound just crazy. As someone who also watched videos about Burzynski and other large pharmaceuticals, I actually agree with many points you brought up. One of my lifetime aspirations is to address commercial conflicts of interest, such as large pharmaceutical and agribusiness industries, lobbying in the D.C. as well as other federal agencies, to prioritize their profits rather than the public.

If you haven't, I would recommend you to watch several documentaries like "Who Killed the Electric Car?", "Food Inc.," and "A Place at the Table." You'll see a common theme across the board, although I am certain you are already aware.

I think you are somewhat disturbed by the current, modern medicine not because of "brainwashed" pre-meds and doctors, but more because of the influences by large pharmaceutical and agribusiness industries. In other words, I think that current doctors and medical students are "actors," not necessarily "directors" or "producers."

However, just because someone is going to medical school does not mean s/he will be, or is currently, brainwashed. I am sure there are many other pre-meds like yourself who understand, at least a little bit, how the history of medical school curricula was started, how pharmaceutical companies will offer incentives to medical students and young physicians, and how medical schools do not offer enough understanding of alternative and complementary medicine, let alone nutrition and health economics.


I don't think you will be happy in medical school, not because you believe conventional medicine is simply pain management (I actually agree to certain extent for some cases), but because you already firmly made your mind on your perspective. If you are willing to be more open-minded, I think that's all you need in my opinion.

If you would like to discuss further on this topic, I would be more than happy to do so. Feel free to PM me.


EDIT: I think that doctors are also aware of the importance of lifestyle factors, like healthy diet and exercises. I wouldn't say they are forgetting them during the consulting, but sometimes noncompliance occurs from patients. If you watch "A Place at the Table" (I probably mentioned this documentary several times already in this forum), it will make sense that poverty and obesity in the U.S. are highly correlated. Sometimes, it's impossible for some people to purchase vegetables. Sometimes, people cannot find time and energy to exercise because they have 2+ jobs to work every week. If you don't know what I mean, shadowing a truck driver or interviewing several families in one of "food deserts" or families relying on charities for food will be helpful.

In other words, like the poster above said, there's a limit to which a physician can achieve in a brief consulting session. I am also interested in pursuing health policy and public health, so they might be something you would like as well.
 
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Good thread OP, would read again lol
 
Lol- evolution at work- no worries people!

natural selection will fix this
 
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