intern in australia

[VommoV]

hey guys

i'm a final year med student at the UCD, dublin ireland. i'm an american national so i'll eventually make my way back to the states, but currently i'm looking into getting some postgraduate experience in australia. i understand that in general, both uk and irish students do at least one year of postgraduate in their own respective countries before going to australia, but is that a hard & fast rule? can you go directly to australia for intern year? would i have any selection in terms of placement? if anyone has any info about this, please let me know!

also i would like to hear from those of you doing intern/residency in australia. the general impression here is that australia offers excellent clinical experience, GREAT work hours ( = more personal time), and good lifestyle. what's the reality like?

thanks in advance guys!

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[leorl]

Hey VommoV, I'm from Trinity and I know a number of people from Trinity final med looked into this. It is possible to do your internship in Oz straight after med school in Ireland. I don't know the specifics of how to apply, and it's region-specific. It seems to me that some people just called around hospitals. I know of at least one guy who didn't get offered an intern spot in Ireland who found a job recently in Perth. Another applied last fall and knew he had a job by January. Both of these were Aussie citizens, however..now that I think about it. But there was a feeling that non-Aussie's could apply as well. There was a question about whether non-Aussies would have to take the medical exam if only planning to stay intern year though. Try asking some of the Aussies in your class specifically who're going back to Oz, and I can try to find out more from the aussies I know.

 

[VommoV]

hey leorl

thanks for helpful reply. there isn't any aussie in my class but i'm in the process of finding one. if you can find more info and post me about it, that'll be awesome! again, thanks for your info.

 

[VommoV]

any more info guys?

what's it like as an intern in australia??

 

[AzliMD]

hello fellow medical students!

I'm a Filipina & just finish my post-graduate internship here in Philippines. I just wanna ask if I have a chance to have my residency training there in Australia. Can you tell me how? Pls reply to my email add [email protected].

 

[Ezekiel20]

hello fellow medical students!

I'm a Filipina & just finish my post-graduate internship here in Philippines. I just wanna ask if I have a chance to have my residency training there in Australia. Can you tell me how? Pls reply to my email add [email protected].

Hi there..

You should probably do your own research and then ask further questions to clarify any issues. A good place to start would be http://www.amc.org.au/

Having said that, most people on this forum are North American students studying in Aus who want to go back to the US/Canada for residency, so I'm not too sure if anyone can really help you with your queries..

Good luck,

 

[leorl]

Hey VommoV, I asked one of my aussie friends to respond to this thread. He said he would, but wanted to wait til they start working on Aug 14th so he knows more of an idea of what it's like and stuff. I can ask him if he wouldn't mind you emailing him though.

 

[driedcaribou]

any more info guys?

what's it like as an intern in australia??

Easy compared to all other countries in the world.

Minimum 80 hours per fortnight of work required, overtime paid if you work more, you get a day off a month, it's more like shift-work.. no such think as q2,q3,q4....

Low educational value, good on experience with different services, high on pay and fun.

 

[Ezekiel20]

Easy compared to all other countries in the world.

Minimum 80 hours per fortnight of work required, overtime paid if you work more, you get a day off a month, it's more like shift-work.. no such think as q2,q3,q4....

Low educational value, good on experience with different services, high on pay and fun.

Interns I've talked to so far seem to work 9-10 hour days, 5 days a week. They occasionally do evenings/nights, but not anywhere near as often as what they do in North America.

I agree that interns in Australia have it pretty good compared to those in the US.

Pay is decent (average 55k including overtime is what I've heard), and there seems to be good support from RMOs/regs/consultants.

Since junior doctors in Aus usually spend 2-3 generalist years (sometimes more, as SRMOs) before specialisation, it takes longer to finish your training, but it is possible to have a life while training.

The other thing also is that most local students don't have huge debts. As a local student, I pay just under $6,000 per year for fees, and have the option to defer it until I am employed and earning above a set amount. So there is no mad rush to become consultants as quickly as possible and pay off the loan.

 

[VommoV]

leorl, thanks alot for ur help! yeah it'd be great if u can let me know of ur friend's email address. i'm trying to come to some sort of decision before end of this summer, so i need to get the ball rolling.

to other guys, thanks million (as irish say). it seems that notion of australia having relaxed hours wasn't a myth afterall!

the most important question for me is, how can i get internship straight out of irish med school? i've called the royal melbourne hospital, postgraduate medical training council of victoria and new south wales, and it seems they all require pgy-1 or 2 experience for eligilibility. how do i get around this? anyone??

thanks alot in advance guys. i look forward to more helpful info & advices

 

[driedcaribou]

Interns I've talked to so far seem to work 9-10 hour days, 5 days a week. They occasionally do evenings/nights, but not anywhere near as often as what they do in North America.

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Not just North America - I am talking South Africa, Fiji, the UK, Germany etc......

 

[redshifteffect]

Interns I've talked to so far seem to work 9-10 hour days, 5 days a week. They occasionally do evenings/nights, but not anywhere near as often as what they do in North America.

I agree that interns in Australia have it pretty good compared to those in the US.

Pay is decent (average 55k including overtime is what I've heard), and there seems to be good support from RMOs/regs/consultants.

Since junior doctors in Aus usually spend 2-3 generalist years (sometimes more, as SRMOs) before specialisation, it takes longer to finish your training, but it is possible to have a life while training.

The other thing also is that most local students don't have huge debts. As a local student, I pay just under $6,000 per year for fees, and have the option to defer it until I am employed and earning above a set amount. So there is no mad rush to become consultants as quickly as possible and pay off the loan.

That also depends on which programs you are interested in. Surgery is now Integrated and inline with North American (at least Canadian) times...plus Psychiatry is direct entry (post intern) in quite a few of the smaller Hospitals.

*edit*
They also have fast track programs for Physician training (Internal Med)

 

[redshifteffect]

leorl, thanks alot for ur help! yeah it'd be great if u can let me know of ur friend's email address. i'm trying to come to some sort of decision before end of this summer, so i need to get the ball rolling.

to other guys, thanks million (as irish say). it seems that notion of australia having relaxed hours wasn't a myth afterall!

the most important question for me is, how can i get internship straight out of irish med school? i've called the royal melbourne hospital, postgraduate medical training council of victoria and new south wales, and it seems they all require pgy-1 or 2 experience for eligilibility. how do i get around this? anyone??

thanks alot in advance guys. i look forward to more helpful info & advices

The way the system works is they have a priority based system. you apply to all the states and territories separately. I'll try and get you email contacts when I get a chance, but it's not hard to find them on the internet.

Basically the system is that oz local grads come first, then interstate grads then international medical students (who graduated from an Oz school) then all others. So although you would be low on the priority list, you could still get a spot at a smaller less competitive hospital.

 

[Winged Scapula]

That also depends on which programs you are interested in. Surgery is now Integrated and inline with North American (at least Canadian) times...plus Psychiatry is direct entry (post intern) is quite a few of the smaller Hospitals.

Can you expand on the Surgery training as it stands now? Are students matching into it right out of medical school (is that what Integrated means) rather than having to do a few house officers years and then apply for Advanced specialty training?

 

[redshifteffect]

Can you expand on the Surgery training as it stands now? Are students matching into it right out of medical school (is that what Integrated means) rather than having to do a few house officers years and then apply for Advanced specialty training?

Well you still have to do a year of internship, as required to get full registration with the medical board. However they have eliminated that stupid BST and AST training.

Its now called IST (Integrated surgical training) and from what I understand you can now get in without any RMO training, and you can apply directly to the particular surgical specialty you would like to do. Total time to finish has also been reduced, with fewer exams to finish.

 

[redshifteffect]

Can you expand on the Surgery training as it stands now? Are students matching into it right out of medical school (is that what Integrated means) rather than having to do a few house officers years and then apply for Advanced specialty training?

In typical laidback Australian fashion they haven't updated the website, but I was able to find a link if you're interested.

http://www.surgeons.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Home&TEMPLATE=/CM/HTMLDisplay.cfm&CONTENTID=17539

 

[driedcaribou]

That also depends on which programs you are interested in. Surgery is now Integrated and inline with North American (at least Canadian) times...plus Psychiatry is direct entry (post intern) in quite a few of the smaller Hospitals.

I did not think surgery was inline with North American times - I thought you still needed PGY-3 to apply to a SET.

 

[redshifteffect]

I did not think surgery was inline with North American times - I thought you still needed PGY-3 to apply to a SET.

Not from what I heard..it's possible to get into it after Intern year...I'm not saying it's easy..but at least it's possible.

 

[driedcaribou]

Well you still have to do a year of internship, as required to get full registration with the medical board. However they have eliminated that stupid BST and AST training.

To explain to the non-Australians, the BST was a **** program because you had a time limit to be in it... at least that was my impression. The government pressured the College of surgeons to increase BST spots without giving them more funding for AST spots. Typical gov't BS with officials making stupid decisions. Don't quote me on this but I have heard that the whole SET program or intergrated surgical training was borne out of the College of Surgeons saying F.U. to the government's demands.



It is important for all doctors to be politically active. Nurses and midwives get their way- they aren't called greedy. Yet doctors are. It's ridiculous.

 

[driedcaribou]

Not from what I heard..it's possible to get into it after Intern year...I'm not saying it's easy..but at least it's possible.

See- I heard that too but I thought it was a misunderstanding... there are certain requirements you need before you are eligible for certain programs and you are not likely to be able to fulfill all of them by the end of your intern year.

I was trying to look up the information on the site but can't find crap right now.... argh.

Anyways, as Ezekiel20 correctly pointed out before, Australian students don't have big debts so to be honest, the length of a program isn't really a big issue... however, people floating around as BSTs and then being inelligible for further training once their time limit expires is not fair to the trainees.

I do, however, wonder what will happen to the small generation of full-fee paying local students. I found that completely horrifying.

There have been some really odd decisions made in the Australian gov't.... not that Canada and the US don't make stupid decisions... but having full-fee paying spots alongside of regular students really undermines the admission process.

I completely understand being charged a lot as an international student - my parents never paid Australian taxes - the gov't owes nothing to me - in fact, I owe them for allowing space for me to attend Uni. Oh well.

 

[redshifteffect]

See- I heard that too but I thought it was a misunderstanding... there are certain requirements you need before you are eligible for certain programs and you are not likely to be able to fulfill all of them by the end of your intern year.

I was trying to look up the information on the site but can't find crap right now.... argh.

Anyways, as Ezekiel20 correctly pointed out before, Australian students don't have big debts so to be honest, the length of a program isn't really a big issue... however, people floating around as BSTs and then being inelligible for further training once their time limit expires is not fair to the trainees.

I do, however, wonder what will happen to the small generation of full-fee paying local students. I found that completely horrifying.

There have been some really odd decisions made in the Australian gov't.... not that Canada and the US don't make stupid decisions... but having full-fee paying spots alongside of regular students really undermines the admission process.

I completely understand being charged a lot as an international student - my parents never paid Australian taxes - the gov't owes nothing to me - in fact, I owe them for allowing space for me to attend Uni. Oh well.

I'm not an expert in this field, but I can provide you with an email address of a couple of people that are actively looking at being surgeons (one is an intern this year)...so I'm going by what I've heard and what I've read. I know there are certain things you have to complete to get into the new IST, but as far as I know you can finish them as an intern...I believe you need an ICU term...certain hospitals actually offer that as part of your intern training (though not all).

Then that brings us to the whole "tuition" thing ...a lot of international students have loans that they want to pay off ASAP. But according to my research as a registrar in Can/US (or Intern or whatever it's called) the PGY1-grad salaries are pretty poor. Even worse for Canada from the looks of it, with little if no opportunities for overtime. The pay + overtime here is good, with enough time to run a small business or some other way of increasing revenue here if that's what you want to do. Heck I've been running an ebay business out of here for the last 5 years, and that's as a med student. So wouldn't you be able to pay your loan of fquickly here?

Maybe I'm missing something -but I'd like outside input.

 

[Ezekiel20]

On the issue of the new SET (surgical education training) program that is replacing the old BST/AST system, some very useful information can be found from the following link (click and download the 'SET discussion document'):

http://www.surgeons.org/AM/Template...&Template=/CM/HTMLDisplay.cfm&ContentID=17539

To summarise, the earliest time that one can start the SET program is in their PGY-3. The SET probably doesn't change the situation too much for those wanting to do general surgery, but for those going for the more competitive specialties like orthopaedic surgery, it will mean that there is now no need to worry about being stuck after the BST years.

Here is a section copied & pasted from pages 5 and 6 of the document I referred to above.

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THE PROPOSED FRAMEWORK FOR SET

2.1 The Current Training Program

Entry to the current BST program is via a competitive selection process with the first opportunity for selection occurring during PGY1 for commencement in PGY2. The current BST program can be completed in two years (with a maximum of four years permitted) with the first opportunity for selection to Specialist Surgical Training (SST) available during BST 2 (PGY3). The earliest commencement point for specialist training under the current model therefore is during PGY4. Specialist training is for a minimum of four years in all of the nine specialties.

2.2 The proposed Surgical Education and Training program

The proposed SET model (see Figure 1 below) addresses issues relating to the double selection in surgical training (at BST and SST) and the number of trainees in BST who have completed their educational requirements but are unable to progress to specialist surgical training.

SET aims to increase the relevance of the early years of surgical training making it more applicable to each specific surgical speciality.

To accommodate these aims, trainees will be selected, from the beginning of their training, directly into one of the nine speciality training programs. The earliest point at which application can be made for the first year of training (SET1) will be during PGY2 with entry for successful trainees in PGY3.

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[redshifteffect]

Thanks for the info...was pretty useful.

Clears up a few things for me.

 

[PeterJH]

Hey Ezekiel20/Redshift, since you guys seem to be going through the process of interning in Oz, how is the 10-year moratorium going to affect you?

I've written some medical boards in Oz, and they said the 10-year thing only applies to doctors wishing to pursue private practice. So does that mean if an international manages to obtain an intern position after graduation, and subsequently PR status, will we be on the par with Oz nationals for specialty training?!? Or do we have to have this 10-year thing over with before applying?

 

[redshifteffect]

Hey Ezekiel20/Redshift, since you guys seem to be going through the process of interning in Oz, how is the 10-year moratorium going to affect you?

I've written some medical boards in Oz, and they said the 10-year thing only applies to doctors wishing to pursue private practice. So does that mean if an international manages to obtain an intern position after graduation, and subsequently PR status, will we be on the par with Oz nationals for specialty training?!? Or do we have to have this 10-year thing over with before applying?

Yeah as far as the gov't is concerned once you get a PR you are on par with an Oz national. If you get your PR before intern (as a few of my classmates have) you are even on par with oz nationals for intern matching. As for the 10 year moratorium, there are ways to "beat the system". Quite a few docs who I worked with in the NT actually got it cut down to 1 or 2 years, simply by being in areas of need.

Essentially what this thing does is stops you from getting a provider number so you essentially can't do private practice. But this counts your residency period as well...confirmed that with DIMIA...and you can do so too if you see them in person.

 

[PeterJH]

How did these people obtain their PR during med school (I'm assuming it was during, since you said they got it before applying for intern year)?!? I know it's based on a point system (i think one needs 120 points?!?), but you can't fulfill the required points before intern year since you can't say you're a doctor until after intern year. So were these people older students who had been qualified as something else before starting med school?

I'm actually starting a masters degree in biomed engineering this year, and hope to apply to Oz next year (or the year after). If I get accepted into a med program, would I be able to use my engineering background to obtain PR during med school rather than having to wait until after intern year?!? My guess is I'd need to be a licensed engineer first, but I'm asking just in case you know anyone with similar circumstances who wasn't exactly qualified, but rather had the education to become qualified. Thanks so much.

 

[redshifteffect]

How did these people obtain their PR during med school (I'm assuming it was during, since you said they got it before applying for intern year)?!? I know it's based on a point system (i think one needs 120 points?!?), but you can't fulfill the required points before intern year since you can't say you're a doctor until after intern year. So were these people older students who had been qualified as something else before starting med school?

I'm actually starting a masters degree in biomed engineering this year, and hope to apply to Oz next year (or the year after). If I get accepted into a med program, would I be able to use my engineering background to obtain PR during med school rather than having to wait until after intern year?!? My guess is I'd need to be a licensed engineer first, but I'm asking just in case you know anyone with similar circumstances who wasn't exactly qualified, but rather had the education to become qualified. Thanks so much.

There are many different ways. 1 was a mature student who had done a masters as an international student in the US, another one got engaged and ended up getting the PR as a "common law" partner. The other one got it because his parents applied, and in Australia if you are under 25 you can get one through your parents.

I haven't kept uptodate with the skilled occupations list so I'm not sure how many points you'd get. But if you do apply to Oz make sure you go to a school that has some guaranteed local spots for internationals that gets a PR. In our contract at Tassie there are two spots now reserved for that every year.

There are also local fee paying spots that you could potentially get. Also you can't apply for a PR unless you have been here at least 2 years. The other way you could do it is to get your PR before you come, and then apply for med school as a local, which a couple of people in my class have done.

 

[driedcaribou]

To summarise, the earliest time that one can start the SET program is in their PGY-3. The SET probably doesn't change the situation too much for those wanting to do general surgery, but for those going for the more competitive specialties like orthopaedic surgery, it will mean that there is now no need to worry about being stuck after the BST years.
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Thanks Ezekiel20 - I swore I read that about the PGY-3 business but couldn't find it again.

The worst part about ortho was doing those unaccredited years. All the uncertainty is really stressful for everyone.

 

[VommoV]

The way the system works is they have a priority based system. you apply to all the states and territories separately. I'll try and get you email contacts when I get a chance, but it's not hard to find them on the internet.

Basically the system is that oz local grads come first, then interstate grads then international medical students (who graduated from an Oz school) then all others. So although you would be low on the priority list, you could still get a spot at a smaller less competitive hospital.

thanks redshifteffect,

i've been searching internet for websites of different states and territories such as pmcv, medical boards of queensland, etc, and according to them it still seems they require some postgrad experience. it seems even for what north americans call "scramble" process which unmatched graduates scramble for possible leftover spots (which i presume you were referring to by low priority list), one is required to apply through medical boards which in turn requires postgrad experience for eligibility. i feel as though i'm running into dead-end here...

another issue, the internships in australia starts in january, doesn't it? which means since i'm due to graduate from UCD on june of 2008, earliest i can begin work (if i can find my way through this hurdle) is jan of 2009?

 

[aussiegirl]

...another issue, the internships in australia starts in january, doesn't it? which means since i'm due to graduate from UCD on june of 2008, earliest i can begin work (if i can find my way through this hurdle) is jan of 2009?

Don't know about other states, but in NSW you can apply for mid-year internship intake, starting around June/July.

 

[VommoV]

hey aussiegirl

thanks for ur reply. good to know that that's taken care of.

but i'm still looking for ways to get in without doing intern year in ireland. i was looking into bypassing the intern year in ireland by taking AMC exam. would this work? anyone?

 

[markdc]

Interning from Ireland? I would guess that would be next to impossible. There is a ballot system here for intern positions in most states. You would be near the bottom of that list and would have to write the AMC exam at some point. It is remotely possible you could get a spot but it would have to be in a less desirable area that is undersubscribed.

However once you complete your intern year in Ireland there would be a better chance of getting a job. I have come across a few Ireland grads that came over after interning.

 

[willcandude]

so from what i read above, internship spots are given in priority: locals > interstate > internationals

then do the internationals have a lot of trouble securing internship spots? do some go "un-matched"? what happen to these people?

and once an international completes the 1-year internship, and wants to do training for advanced-specialty, are these specialty-spots prioritized as well, just like internship spots?

 

[driedcaribou]

so from what i read above, internship spots are given in priority: locals > interstate > internationals

then do the internationals have a lot of trouble securing internship spots? do some go "un-matched"? what happen to these people?

and once an international completes the 1-year internship, and wants to do training for advanced-specialty, are these specialty-spots prioritized as well, just like internship spots?

The priority rule in NSW applies when the internship allocations are over-subscribed.....

Un-matched = tough beans!
Though it seems people end up with a late allocation after the dust settles... the way things are, there is still a demand for doctors so funding can be made available.

Internationals cannot go into specialty spots until they obtain a permanent residency.

 

[willcandude]

The priority rule in NSW applies when the internship allocations are over-subscribed.....

Un-matched = tough beans!
Though it seems people end up with a late allocation after the dust settles... the way things are, there is still a demand for doctors so funding can be made available.

Internationals cannot go into specialty spots until they obtain a permanent residency.

hey driedcaribou, thanks for your reply. what about other states? do they also have this priority rule?

i should do other research for this, but do you know if it is difficult to get PR if I apply upon finishing internship in Australia?

 

[bleary]

The priority rule in NSW applies when the internship allocations are over-subscribed.....

Un-matched = tough beans!
Though it seems people end up with a late allocation after the dust settles... the way things are, there is still a demand for doctors so funding can be made available.

Internationals cannot go into specialty spots until they obtain a permanent residency.

Hi driedcaribou,

Just wondering how long does it take for one to gain the PR status in australia. I heard that upon graduation in any of the professional courses (doc, lawyer etc.) one would most likely obtain PR as Australia greatly welcomes white collar workers. Is this true?

 

[redshifteffect]

thanks redshifteffect,

i've been searching internet for websites of different states and territories such as pmcv, medical boards of queensland, etc, and according to them it still seems they require some postgrad experience. it seems even for what north americans call "scramble" process which unmatched graduates scramble for possible leftover spots (which i presume you were referring to by low priority list), one is required to apply through medical boards which in turn requires postgrad experience for eligibility. i feel as though i'm running into dead-end here...

another issue, the internships in australia starts in january, doesn't it? which means since i'm due to graduate from UCD on june of 2008, earliest i can begin work (if i can find my way through this hurdle) is jan of 2009?

If you type in internship on google.com.au you can probably get a list of the various states and their procedures for application. Most states have close their applications as the first round offers are "supposed" to come out on the 23rd of July but many of us have received offers already.

You are right as an overseas doctors you will be the lowest priority; and most internships start in January, but don't be discourage as until 2011 there are still more jobs than candidates, however you may not get a place in a large hospital...

Best thing would be to contact hospitals directly and let them know you are interested...after all offers are gone out then you have a chance to get unfilled places. The queensland application process was the best this year as we could see real time stats of who was applying, what sort of ranking they were (ie 1 or 2-10) ...i'll post more as time gones on and we know more.

 

[redshifteffect]

hey driedcaribou, thanks for your reply. what about other states? do they also have this priority rule?

i should do other research for this, but do you know if it is difficult to get PR if I apply upon finishing internship in Australia?

To be able to get a PR after graduation in Australia you are required to do your internship...as you must be registered with the AMC in order to migrate as a doctor. However once you are registered it doesn't take more than 6 months to get your PR (during this time you are on a bridging visa). However this is variable depending on where you are applying for (more difficult from large metropolitan areas...etc).

 

[redshifteffect]

so from what i read above, internship spots are given in priority: locals > interstate > internationals

then do the internationals have a lot of trouble securing internship spots? do some go "un-matched"? what happen to these people?

and once an international completes the 1-year internship, and wants to do training for advanced-specialty, are these specialty-spots prioritized as well, just like internship spots?

Just so you know you are eligible to get an internship position in Singapore and Malaysia...and since it's recognised by the AMC you can also apply for your PR under the guidelines (ie registration by the AMC) required for PR using the MBBS degree.
Many use this "backdoor" to enter Australia...

As for internationals I suppose it depends on how "Picky" they are. For example I got a first round offer (although theoretically not possible) before first round offers were released for a "less desirable" area, but there were still more local applicants than positions available, only reason being because I did an elective there.

Most people who are not picky will definitely get a spot, that's more of a guarantee then trying to get a match in Canada/US.

 

[trinity99]

Heya VommoV,

Did ya manage to sort something out? I'm the dude that leorl knows, who's doing his internship in Perth - i'm not sure if you've sorted something out or not - if you *are* gonna be around Oz, though, lemme know - send me an email at [email protected], and then I'll send ya a proper email address (it's my "deflect" email address).

Hey, and anyone else who wants some help (not that I can guarantee I'll be great at it - but I'll try!)

Alby

 

[misao]

I just finish Med. School in the U.S. and preparing to take USMLE's. I would like to know how to obtain a license to practice medicine in australia. Do they have licencing exam like the USMLE's? who and how do I contact, Australia's medical council. How much roughly does an Internal Medicine resident make in a year, after tax? Is Australia IMG friendly? Any answer will help. Thank you.

 

[redshifteffect]

Heya VommoV,

Did ya manage to sort something out? I'm the dude that leorl knows, who's doing his internship in Perth - i'm not sure if you've sorted something out or not - if you *are* gonna be around Oz, though, lemme know - send me an email at [email protected], and then I'll send ya a proper email address (it's my "deflect" email address).

Hey, and anyone else who wants some help (not that I can guarantee I'll be great at it - but I'll try!)

Alby

Perth? Are you at Freemantle by any chance? I was considering taking up Freemantle, but the rental market there is really expensive!

BTW I heard a few of the Tassie grads there topped your State Intern "exams"?

 

[VommoV]

Heya VommoV,

Did ya manage to sort something out? I'm the dude that leorl knows, who's doing his internship in Perth - i'm not sure if you've sorted something out or not - if you *are* gonna be around Oz, though, lemme know - send me an email at [email protected], and then I'll send ya a proper email address (it's my "deflect" email address).

Hey, and anyone else who wants some help (not that I can guarantee I'll be great at it - but I'll try!)

Alby

hello trinity99

i've just emailed u to the address u've provided me above. reply me!

talk to u soon

VommoV