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toughlife posted this in the anesthesia forum - unbelievable!!!!!

"Whereas, The Iowa Nursing Board voted that nurse anesthetists may supervise the use of fluoroscopy and the Iowa Public Health Department issued a proposal that would allow an advanced registered nurse practitioner to supervise radiologic technologists and students who use fluoroscopic X-ray systems in order to obtain images for diagnostic purposes; and


Whereas, The Nebraska Legislature will reconsider legislation that would allow nurse anesthetists to administer medication through the use of fluoroscopy to locate the precise point to inject such medication, but would be excluded from certain radiation education and training requirements set forth in the Nebraska regulations; therefore be it"


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Iowa Medical Board

Director Legal Affairs
Kent Nebel

PM me for his email or voicemail.

We can make him aware of the situation and provide guidance to get them ahead of what transpired in LA.

Steve
 
Iowa Medical Board

Director Legal Affairs
Kent Nebel

PM me for his email or voicemail.

We can make him aware of the situation and provide guidance to get them ahead of what transpired in LA.

Steve
Please send me the info of the relevant parties in both states
 
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I'll get a little packet together over the weekend and get a PDF with all the contact info as well as Nursing board propoganda for both states.
AMA Scope of Practice Partnership
SOPP assists both state medical associations and national medical specialty societies in the campaigns against non-physician scope of practice expansions that may put the health and/or safety of patients at risk.

Donna Toohey
312-464-5258
[email protected]

Kai (Michaela) Sternstein 312-464-5929 (Advocacy Resource Center)
 
Current Nebraska Nursing board policy on joint injections:

Cortisone Injection

This Nebraska Board of Nursing advisory opinion is issued in accordance with Nebraska Revised Statute (NRS) 71-1,132.11(2). As such, this advisory opinion is for informational purposes only and is non-binding.

It is the opinion of the Nebraska Board of Nursing that injecting cortisone and similar medications into joints of a patient is not appropriate practice for the RN. An injection of this nature is not an emergency procedure; due to the potential complications such injection is appropriately provided by the physician or other qualified practitioner.

Adopted November, 1993
Reaffirmed January, 1996
Reaffirmed May 2000

More to follow.
 
The Iowa Board is aware of situation
here are minutes from last meeting

The Iowa Board of Medicine (IBM) met in public session on Wednesday, September 12, 2007. Board members in attendance included physician members Carol Frier, DO, Blaine Houmes, MD, Yasyn Lee, MD, Dana Shaffer, DO, Siroos Shirazi, MD, Rod Zeitler, MD, and public members Tom Drew, JD, Sally Schroeder, and Janece Valentine, JD. Absent was Asha Rijhsinghani, MD, the most recent IBM appointee.



In attendance for the Iowa Medical Society (IMS) were Jeanine Freeman, JD, Senior Vice President of Legal Affairs; Heidi Goodman, JD, RN, Manager of Public and Regulatory Affairs; and Eric Nemmers, JD, MHA, Manager of Legislative Policy.



Pain Management Rules

The IBM is proposing to amend its existing rules on chronic nonmalignant pain management to broaden its regulatory outreach to all pain care situations, including treatment of acute pain. Particularly the IBM seeks to emphasize that undertreatment is as much of a problem in care as overtreatment. IMS commented on the IBM's initial draft and raised several concerns particularly related to the broad field of acute pain management. Further changes are being considered and a final draft will be presented to the IBM for its approval in November.



Joint Pain Statement

The IBM, the Iowa Board of Nursing, the Iowa Board of Pharmacy, and the Iowa Board of Physician Assistants are working on a draft policy statement regarding pain treatment and management. The draft developed by these boards relied upon pain management statements from the boards of medicine from New Mexico and Oregon. The IBM will re-examine the joint statement for adoption purposes in November.



Interventional Pain Procedures

The 2007 IMS House of Delegates adopted Resolution 07-15 directing IMS to seek a statement of policy from the IBM stating that interventional pain medicine procedures performed with fluoroscopically guided needle placement (to the spine, paraspinal tissue, and other vital structures of the body) constitute the practice of medicine and, further, that interventional pain medicine procedures shall be performed by qualified MD or DO physicians licensed in the state of Iowa. IMS worked with interested member physicians in developing a letter of request which was submitted to the IBM in late July. The IBM asked for further information from IMS about the nature of this request and why it has come up. IMS explained that increasingly allied health professionals, particularly CRNAs, are seeking greater independence in the field of pain management. For example, CRNAs have proposed to the Iowa Department of Public Health that they be recognized as able to supervise fluoroscopically guided needle placement procedures for pain management purposes. The Iowa Board of Nursing believes the CRNAs have such authority and training; IMS does not. The Department has delayed further discussion. IMS believes that an articulated policy statement from the IBM is important to establish that pain management is the practice of medicine; this does not preclude physicians from delegating certain tasks and functions to properly trained allied health practitioners. IMS argued that the IBM, on the one hand, seeks to impose disciplinary standards upon physicians in managing pain so, on the other hand, the IBM should be similarly prepared to state that pain management is the practice of medicine. Roles for allied health practitioners in pain management must be grounded from this base. The IBM asked IMS to review its request and provide clarifications consistent with the day's discussion.
 
The Iowa Board is aware of situation
here are minutes from last meeting

The Iowa Board of Medicine (IBM) met in public session on Wednesday, September 12, 2007. Board members in attendance included physician members Carol Frier, DO, Blaine Houmes, MD, Yasyn Lee, MD, Dana Shaffer, DO, Siroos Shirazi, MD, Rod Zeitler, MD, and public members Tom Drew, JD, Sally Schroeder, and Janece Valentine, JD. Absent was Asha Rijhsinghani, MD, the most recent IBM appointee.



In attendance for the Iowa Medical Society (IMS) were Jeanine Freeman, JD, Senior Vice President of Legal Affairs; Heidi Goodman, JD, RN, Manager of Public and Regulatory Affairs; and Eric Nemmers, JD, MHA, Manager of Legislative Policy.



Pain Management Rules

The IBM is proposing to amend its existing rules on chronic nonmalignant pain management to broaden its regulatory outreach to all pain care situations, including treatment of acute pain. Particularly the IBM seeks to emphasize that undertreatment is as much of a problem in care as overtreatment. IMS commented on the IBM's initial draft and raised several concerns particularly related to the broad field of acute pain management. Further changes are being considered and a final draft will be presented to the IBM for its approval in November.



Joint Pain Statement

The IBM, the Iowa Board of Nursing, the Iowa Board of Pharmacy, and the Iowa Board of Physician Assistants are working on a draft policy statement regarding pain treatment and management. The draft developed by these boards relied upon pain management statements from the boards of medicine from New Mexico and Oregon. The IBM will re-examine the joint statement for adoption purposes in November.



Interventional Pain Procedures

The 2007 IMS House of Delegates adopted Resolution 07-15 directing IMS to seek a statement of policy from the IBM stating that interventional pain medicine procedures performed with fluoroscopically guided needle placement (to the spine, paraspinal tissue, and other vital structures of the body) constitute the practice of medicine and, further, that interventional pain medicine procedures shall be performed by qualified MD or DO physicians licensed in the state of Iowa. IMS worked with interested member physicians in developing a letter of request which was submitted to the IBM in late July. The IBM asked for further information from IMS about the nature of this request and why it has come up. IMS explained that increasingly allied health professionals, particularly CRNAs, are seeking greater independence in the field of pain management. For example, CRNAs have proposed to the Iowa Department of Public Health that they be recognized as able to supervise fluoroscopically guided needle placement procedures for pain management purposes. The Iowa Board of Nursing believes the CRNAs have such authority and training; IMS does not. The Department has delayed further discussion. IMS believes that an articulated policy statement from the IBM is important to establish that pain management is the practice of medicine; this does not preclude physicians from delegating certain tasks and functions to properly trained allied health practitioners. IMS argued that the IBM, on the one hand, seeks to impose disciplinary standards upon physicians in managing pain so, on the other hand, the IBM should be similarly prepared to state that pain management is the practice of medicine. Roles for allied health practitioners in pain management must be grounded from this base. The IBM asked IMS to review its request and provide clarifications consistent with the day's discussion.
So would a flood of emails and phone calls be helpful or harmful to the cause? And if helpful, to whom ought they be directed?
 
So would a flood of emails and phone calls be helpful or harmful to the cause? And if helpful, to whom ought they be directed?

I think it could only be helpful and would direct them towards


Karla Fultz McHenry
Vice President of Public Policy and Advocacy
[email protected]

Jeanine Freeman, JD
Senior Vice President of Legal Affairs
[email protected]
 
I think it could only be helpful and would direct them towards


Karla Fultz McHenry
Vice President of Public Policy and Advocacy
[email protected]

Jeanine Freeman, JD
Senior Vice President of Legal Affairs
[email protected]
I spoke to Ms. McHenry who advised that at their 11/13 meeing, the IBM issued the following:

Interventional Pain Management. The IBM took up the IMS request, coming from the 2007 House of Delegates, that the IBM declare interventional pain medicine procedures as the practice of medicine to be performed only by qualified MD or DO physicians licensed in Iowa. The IMS request also noted efforts by CRNAs to allow them under radiation rules of the Iowa Department of Public Health rule to supervise fluoroscopically guided needle placement procedures for pain management purposes. IMS opposed this effort. The IBM examined IMS' request and elected not to issue a broad statement but will notify the Iowa Department of Public Health that only physician MDs and DOs are authorized to supervise fluoroscopically guided needle placement procedures for pain management purposes.



Score one for the good guys
 
uhhmmmm... i think the keyword is supervise --- it theoretically leaves the door open for non-MD/DOs to perform the procedures while "supervised" by any MD... so technically a neurosurgeon could hire a CRNA to do injections in his office and make a mint... and still fit within the rules
 
uhhmmmm... i think the keyword is supervise --- it theoretically leaves the door open for non-MD/DOs to perform the procedures while "supervised" by any MD... so technically a neurosurgeon could hire a CRNA to do injections in his office and make a mint... and still fit within the rules
yup, but the truth of the matter is, that can be done in all 50 states at present
 
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