## 2008-2009 Application Season ## Post AACOMAS questions HERE!!!

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dude its only been a week. AACOMAS is ridiculously slow at updating their website. don't freak out. it took them like 2 and a half weeks to update that my transcript was received. if it makes you feel better to call and ask if they have recieved them, then go ahead and do that, but thers nothin to freak out about.
 
Hey short quick question do you have to pay to get verify for the accomas transcript? Like I sent my transcript in already. So I don't know if I just sit back and wait or is there something I have to do? It shows up that they have received my transcript already, but it is not calculated by them. I haven't finish my PS statement 🙁 is that the reason for the hold? Thanks for any reply

You have to complete the entire application, select schools, and pay the balance. Then, and only then, do they start the verification process. Now hop to it!
 
The transcripts are being processed fairly fast. Much faster than AMCAS. AACOMAS received my transcript on July 1st and it was posted on July 8th, and AMCAS has yet to post mine even though they were both sent out on the same day.
 
Outta curiosity do the schools who send automatic secondaries do so even before recieving the mcat score?
 
Does AACOMAS calculate grad school science into overall gpa or overall science gpa?
 
Every time I call, the recording tells me that everyone is busy and dumps me to their answering machine. I keep calling. It feels like I'm trying to win a radio contest.
 
I am planning on taking a few more classes at a new college this fall but I plan on submitting my primary this upcoming week. Do I need to send a transcript for that school as it shows on AACOMAS that I need three transcripts now. I don't think I would have to as it seems very unnecessary, just wondering if someone else has came across the same thing. Thanks.
 
Every time I call, the recording tells me that everyone is busy and dumps me to their answering machine. I keep calling. It feels like I'm trying to win a radio contest.

You're calling the number (301) 968-4100 correct? I called them yesterday (around 1pm) and was actually surprised at how quickly they picked up. Try again today w/ that # & hopefully you'll get through!
 
They haven't replied to my messages via their support tool either. What caller number do you have to be to get verified? =P
 
I am having somewhat of a moral dilemma right now. I am applying to med school right now. I attended a school a few years ago and basically stopped going to class and failed 4 courses. It's a long story but basically I transferred to a different school a couple years later and didn't transfer those courses. My official transcript at my current school makes no mention of these failed courses and I am competitive with my current coursework for medical school. I know I am supposed to send a transcript of every school I have attended to AMCAS and AACOMAS. If I send these failed course transcripts, I won't get into med school at all. I can retake the courses and go to DO school, but I may have to postpone it for a year. If I don't submit these transcripts, will I ever get caught? I know that AMCAS and AACOMAS don't do a search for transcripts. I really messed up when I was 20 and I don't know what to do. Does anyone know somebody who has been in this same situation or a similar situation? Also, when would I get caught? I am not trying to sneak around the system. I am just trying to find out information. My fear is that I will get into med school and they will find out during my years there and dismiss me. Any advice would be helpful. Thanks
 
i would just tell them the truth and not risk the embarassment of being found out and pulled out of medical school. if you showed that you really tried and pulled really good grades from the school u graduated from, they'll not probably only forgive you, but be impressed at your maturity as well
 
yikes.
this is a scary game youre playing.
i understand your motivation to gamble with ethics here...but i personally couldnt imagine how awful it would be to live with the fear that at any moment, everything could be taken away. Just multiplying that fear by 4 years makes it hard to justify the ethically questionable route that's being considered here.
 
Well I have always had a fear of this happening since I moved. I just hoped it would work itself out, but now I see that I messed up and karma is making me pay for it. Honestly if I did go through and not tell anyone and got through med school and residency, I could never tell my wife or kids or best friends. If something ever happened, they could use that against me. I am gonna have to submit the transcripts and hope the med schools see that I have done a lot better. Thanks for the help. I really appreciate it
 
Well I have always had a fear of this happening since I moved. I just hoped it would work itself out, but now I see that I messed up and karma is making me pay for it. Honestly if I did go through and not tell anyone and got through med school and residency, I could never tell my wife or kids or best friends. If something ever happened, they could use that against me. I am gonna have to submit the transcripts and hope the med schools see that I have done a lot better. Thanks for the help. I really appreciate it

Good call. I wish you the best of luck. And hopefully the schools that you apply to will see your upward trend in grades. Definitely keep up posted.
 
good decision. if you don't take the punishment for your previous bad decisions while it's still easy, it might come back to haunt you with something twice as harsh. bottom line is don't dig the hole any deeper for yourself
 
Well I have always had a fear of this happening since I moved. I just hoped it would work itself out, but now I see that I messed up and karma is making me pay for it. Honestly if I did go through and not tell anyone and got through med school and residency, I could never tell my wife or kids or best friends. If something ever happened, they could use that against me. I am gonna have to submit the transcripts and hope the med schools see that I have done a lot better. Thanks for the help. I really appreciate it


Your story is almost exactly to a tee the same as mine. After me and my prize winning GPA of .347 dropped out of college in 2001, I matured quite a bit. I applied to my current school without bringing my transcripts over (one "A" in english 101 isn't worth 3 semesters of "Fs" when you can just test out of Eng 101). After sporting a 3.82 at my new UG institution and realizing my dream of medicine, the temptation was there to "omit" the old school (since it was 2001). I think the temptation is there in large part because you're sure others have done the same and the easy road is always tempting. Alas, I came to my senses and even though it is meaning I will have to hold off an extra year while I retake my silly Business 101 and Intro to Ed 101 classes, I know in the end it is the moral thing to do and I'd probably drive my self insane with guilt and knowing I probably shouldn't be a doctor with getting away with something so unethical.

Unfortanetly AMCAS isn't as forgiving as AACOMAS. AACOMAS is more interested in "who you are today" as opposed to the AMCAS of "slapping you down for every wrong move you may have made in your life"

Good luck with your journey! Making the correct decision is a good start to being a good Doc!
 
So does anyone know if schools send automatic secondaries before recieving the mcat score at all?
 
I am taking classes in the fall that will replace previous grades. I sent in my transcripts to AACOMAS already without having signed up for thses classes. Will I need to resend my transcripts so AACOMAS can see that I am taking these repeat classes in the fall or should I just mark on my application that I am taking them in the fall and let my final transcript after I graduate show that I took the classes? Thanks
 
I am taking classes in the fall that will replace previous grades. I sent in my transcripts to AACOMAS already without having signed up for thses classes. Will I need to resend my transcripts so AACOMAS can see that I am taking these repeat classes in the fall or should I just mark on my application that I am taking them in the fall and let my final transcript after I graduate show that I took the classes? Thanks

No need to send in transcripts showing that you are enrolled in the courses, but you will need to send in transcripts after you get your final grades for the repeated courses. For now just list them as "last repeat, in progress".

Good Luck! :luck:
 
How look will it take to get verified? My transcripts are already in.

Also, i have a question about my MCAT. I have a 28, which seems ok, but my writing is an L (i basically didn't write anything). Will this hurt me dramatically? I took 3 english courses and receieved A's, and my personal statement is written clearly. So, do you think it will prevent me from getting an interview? My overall GPA is a 3.94 (graduated magum cum laude) from a top 50 university.
 
You'll get some love.

Did you go to happy hour during the writing section?
 
hah not exactly. I had absolutely zero opinion about the prompts, so i kind of got stumped.

Anyway, i have a question for you. You did a lot of volunteering in the ER, right? What kind of stuff did you get to do? Did you just transport, bring water to patients, and clean stuff up? Or did you have more responsibilities? (By the way, i think you are the guy who did lots of ER work. If i am wrong, my bad)
 
Okay, I know I may be beating a dead horse but I have problems with ACOMAS. I submitted and paid for my application at the end of may with my last transcript being recieved on the 13th of June. I still havent been vereified and I know people are going to say it take 3-6 weeks but I heard that if you submit early you wont have to wait this long, is anyone else going through the same thing?
 
Okay, I know I may be beating a dead horse but I have problems with ACOMAS. I submitted and paid for my application at the end of may with my last transcript being recieved on the 13th of June. I still havent been vereified and I know people are going to say it take 3-6 weeks but I heard that if you submit early you wont have to wait this long, is anyone else going through the same thing?

Give it a few more weeks. I submitted on May 15th and my last transcript was received on May 27th. I wasn't verified until June 26th. You'll be verified any day now. By the way, you won't know you've been verified until you start to receive secondaries so it could be that you were verified Friday or will be verified tomorrow, but your application may not be reviewed by schools until next week. AACOMAS is working on a way to notify applicants when they're verified, but for the moment, all we have to go by is when your secondaries arrive. In my case, it took four weeks from final transcript arrival to the arrival of the first secondary.
 
hah not exactly. I had absolutely zero opinion about the prompts, so i kind of got stumped.

Anyway, i have a question for you. You did a lot of volunteering in the ER, right? What kind of stuff did you get to do? Did you just transport, bring water to patients, and clean stuff up? Or did you have more responsibilities? (By the way, i think you are the guy who did lots of ER work. If i am wrong, my bad)

I did volunteer in the ER for a long time. Now I work there.

As a volunteer, once I started coming at night, I worked hard, and they got comfortable with me doing quite a bit after a while. They didn't want me doing any sterile stuff, or drawing blood, but other than that, there wasn't much the techs were doing that I didn't do, before they hired me.
 
I believe UNECOM requires at least an M in writing, other than that you should be good. I submitted a couple weeks later than this last year and it took 4 weeks for my app to be sent to the schools.
 
the time for verification was 3-6 weeks starting in may. They are really slow. I submitted 6/11 and it took them 4 weeks. Good luck.
 
Alright so here's the deal. I took my MCATs, and got a 22 (PS = no good). I want to retake again, but know I can't do so without a course, which I am currently saving up money for, since they are so freaking expensive. Because of this, I don't see myself being able to take them until January (if even by then, since some courses are longer, and more expensive, than others) However, I already sent in my application a while ago, without saying "intend to take"

So here's my question: I'm still not exactly sure when I will be taking them yet due to funds, but how do I go about telling schools that I'm going to be taking them again so I don't get prematurely rejected because of my other shoddy grade. Do I let them each individually know? It's very frustrating, because things are still up in the air. But any thoughts? Thank you in advance!
 
Give it a few more weeks. I submitted on May 15th and my last transcript was received on May 27th. I wasn't verified until June 26th. You'll be verified any day now. By the way, you won't know you've been verified until you start to receive secondaries so it could be that you were verified Friday or will be verified tomorrow, but your application may not be reviewed by schools until next week. AACOMAS is working on a way to notify applicants when they're verified, but for the moment, all we have to go by is when your secondaries arrive. In my case, it took four weeks from final transcript arrival to the arrival of the first secondary.

Thanks, that makes me feel better.
 
Alright so here's the deal. I took my MCATs, and got a 22 (PS = no good). I want to retake again, but know I can't do so without a course, which I am currently saving up money for, since they are so freaking expensive. Because of this, I don't see myself being able to take them until January (if even by then, since some courses are longer, and more expensive, than others) However, I already sent in my application a while ago, without saying "intend to take"

So here's my question: I'm still not exactly sure when I will be taking them yet due to funds, but how do I go about telling schools that I'm going to be taking them again so I don't get prematurely rejected because of my other shoddy grade. Do I let them each individually know? It's very frustrating, because things are still up in the air. But any thoughts? Thank you in advance!

You can edit your application through AACOMAS with your planned MCAT date and they will update the schools for you, even if you have been verified already.

On a side note, not trying to be harsh, but if you inform schools that you are retaking the MCAT, they will not review your file until your retake score comes in. If you are planning on taking the MCAT again in January you are basically setting yourself up to to not be accepted (unless you completely KILL the MCAT and get like a 30++).

What is your GPA like? If it's not strong (~3.5) you should just wait until next year and take your time with studying for the 2nd MCAT.

Good luck! :luck:
 
Oh thanks for responding! I started to think I smelled or something, since it seems like SDN is alot of people's crack, so a 2 hour span is kinda long!

Actually, that's pretty much my GPA. It's a 3.55 cum and 3.32 sci (and I'm not that concerned about that being lower, bc its addressed in my PS. there were some deaths and things) And that is one of the most annoying things, since I'm great for every other aspect except MCAT, but at the same time, people have still gotten in with my score.

That's wonderful to know about the AACOMAS thing. I'm pullin some mad doubles to get this cash so I can hopefully take the course in august/sept and take the test in September.

Thanks for your help!
 
Oh, I'm realizing now I sounded rather morbid there. Didn't mean to!
 
Oh, I'm realizing now I sounded rather morbid there. Didn't mean to!

You didn't sound morbid to me. 😉 Nice GPA. Just try your darndest to take the MCAT no later than September and I think you'll be alright. Retaking in january is just way too late in the game, IMHO.

I had similar stats and I KNOW I wouldn't have been accepted if I hadn't applied early (I was complete at all schools by mid September and had my first interview in November).

I was not trying to discourage you from applying with the 22, but I was advising against waiting until January to have your file reviewed. I think you definitely stand a chance as is . . . you already submitted your application, right? Maybe see what happens with that; you might be pleasantly surprised! 🙂

Forking out the $$ for all this is sooo rough. I'm still paying off my credit card debt from applying last year. 😱

Good Luck! :luck:
 
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not to cause any worry though...but a sept MCAT is almost too late. I took it last year Sept. and didnt get my scores until Oct, by that time most of the interview are handed out at schools doing rolling admins. gl though
 
You can edit your application through AACOMAS with your planned MCAT date and they will update the schools for you, even if you have been verified already.

On a side note, not trying to be harsh, but if you inform schools that you are retaking the MCAT, they will not review your file until your retake score comes in. If you are planning on taking the MCAT again in January you are basically setting yourself up to to not be accepted (unless you completely KILL the MCAT and get like a 30++).

What is your GPA like? If it's not strong (~3.5) you should just wait until next year and take your time with studying for the 2nd MCAT.

Good luck! :luck:


not to cause any worry though...but a sept MCAT is almost too late. I took it last year Sept. and didnt get my scores until Oct, by that time most of the interview are handed out at schools doing rolling admins. gl though

I submitted all my stuff in June and am retaking in August
 
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I submitted all my stuff in June, with a crappy MCAT (24) and decent GPA (3.73 overall/ 3.9 sci) I'm retaking in Sept. Are you telling me no one will look at my app until Oct when i get my new scores? Will AACOMAS send my app to my schools and the schools just won't review it? Will some review it and say "pending a decent MCAT score?" How will this work?

Yes, that's how it worked for me last year. I submitted with a crappy MCAT score and indicated my August retake on my application. AACOMAS will still send out your application to schools. All of the schools I applied to said they woul keep my application on hold until my new MCAT score came in, then they would review my file and make a decision. That's generally how it works, unless you submit with a higher 1st MCAT score (I'd say a 26 or above). In that case they will sometimes grant you an interview without waiting for your 2nd score if the 1st score is competitive to them.

Sorry if that was confusing. Let me know if I can further clarify anything. Good Luck! :luck:
 
Just wondering, prions, since you said you said you had similar stats, did you do much better the second time? Obviously, I would stalk you through MDapps, but I don't see a link. So I'll be less creepy and just ask you.
 
Yes, that's how it worked for me last year. I submitted with a crappy MCAT score and indicated my August retake on my application. AACOMAS will still send out your application to schools. All of the schools I applied to said they woul keep my application on hold until my new MCAT score came in, then they would review my file and make a decision. That's generally how it works, unless you submit with a higher 1st MCAT score (I'd say a 26 or above). In that case they will sometimes grant you an interview without waiting for your 2nd score if the 1st score is competitive to them.

Sorry if that was confusing. Let me know if I can further clarify anything. Good Luck! :luck:
That's not what I wanted to hear. What if i do worse? It's over for me even if the rest of my application is strong for DO? What if i wasn't doing a retake?
 
Could you just remove the future retake from AACOMAS and submit? Then no one would know that you're planning on a retake. If your retake goes bad, no big deal, but if it goes well, you could release your scores when they come out. Is that a bad idea? Has anyone tried that?
 
I need to get a copy of my 2008 AACOMAS for a Navy scholarship but you can no longer access it online to print it out. How can I get a copy... ASAP? Any ideas?

Anyone else expereince this problem... this is kind of lame actually; I can still get my AMCAS app online... what gives?
 
I need to get a copy of my 2008 AACOMAS for a Navy scholarship but you can no longer access it online to print it out. How can I get a copy... ASAP? Any ideas?

Anyone else expereince this problem... this is kind of lame actually; I can still get my AMCAS app online... what gives?

if you email AACOMAS they will send you your app, i believe. i remember someone else saying they did that. I emailed them on friday to ask for the same thing, but havent got a respopnse yet. good luck.
 
Hi guys,
I want to send in my aacomas application...i know i m late but i just got my mcat score and decided to finish up with my apps paper work...Do I have to write a separate PS for the osteo application or the MD personal statement would work? The reason I ask this is because my personal statement is not geared towards a particular type of medicine. It just says...." i want to be a doctor...." So being that it is this general, can i use the MD personal statement in my DO application?
 
My PS is about done, but its only 3500. Will I appear lazy if I don't get it in the 4000-4500 character range?
 
My PS is about done, but its only 3500. Will I appear lazy if I don't get it in the 4000-4500 character range?

Nope. If it says everything you need it to say, then it's perfect. If you add stuff to inflate the character count, you're diluting it and boring the reader.
 
can you take a course 3 or 4 times and DO schools still take the best score?

also, tell me a little bit about DO residencies and fellowships. Is it true a lot of DO's just go into IM or pediatrics? Are the DO specific residencies as bad as some people say they are?

sorry if all of these have been talked to death. I did a search and didn't really get the answers I was looking for.
 
can you take a course 3 or 4 times and DO schools still take the best score?

also, tell me a little bit about DO residencies and fellowships. Is it true a lot of DO's just go into IM or pediatrics? Are the DO specific residencies as bad as some people say they are?

sorry if all of these have been talked to death. I did a search and didn't really get the answers I was looking for.

Jesus, you suck at searching ....

Anyway, as far as I know AACOMAS (the DO application service) only factors the most recent regrade into your calculated gpa. However, all retakes are seen. If you have an F, D, F, C- and then finally an A, TECHNICALLY it will be counted as a four, but might be viewed as a fluke and raise some red flags.

When it comes to residencies, osteopathic students have three options. 1 They may apply to the AOA residencies that are available only to DO students. These residencies cover every field of medicine (except Nuclear Medicine for some reason) and are chosen by DO students each year. 2 They may apply to the 'MD' residencies - which once again cover any desired field of medicine. There are debates about the ability of DOs to land MD residencies with some agreeing that good board scores (both the DO and MD boards) and grades will get you anywhere, with others saying that the match rates are low, and some programs won't interview DOs. The truth probably lies somewhere in between. However, DOs do (on the whole) place well into MD residencies. 3 Students may apply to both the DO and MD residencies, but the DO match happens first, and if a student matches they will automatically be dropped from the MD match.

Fellowships are a tiny source of confusion. There are both MD and DO fellowships in various fields, but it is program specific concerning the completion of an MD or DO residency before matriculation into the fellowship.

It is true that a lot of Osteopathic medical students do enter primary care fields. However, this does not indicate some lack of quality or pressure to enter primary care fields (such as IM or peds). DO schools generally cater to primary care fields, and have a 'mission statement' (take with a grain of salt) to place physicians into primary care. With that being said, some schools have specialty matches (non primary care) rates that are near 65-70% (these could be way off and some goober will correct me if they are) while others have low rates into specialty fields. These are all generally personal choices made by students, and DOs can go into any field they like.

Finally, don't believe that a DO residency is of poor quality unless a resident from the program or who interviewed there says so. So much crap travels via rumors and generalizations on this site, and 90% of the time someone uses the phrase 'DO residencies are generally or a lower quality than the MD counterpart,' even though they are an 18 year old pre-med. There are good and bad residencies in both the MD and DO world, and choosing one that is a good fit is not something you should worry about now.


Wheww, really long and non sarcastic post for me. I'm gonna go lie down :scared:
 
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