Is anyone else Disgusted?

[DropkickMurphy]

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umm, "mexican" is not a language

OK, different dialect....you say tomato, I say grow the hell up.

not because i have anything against people who come to this country and don't automatically speak english but because i find it annoying that people can live here for YEARS and not bother to learn a lick of english

I have nothing against Mexicans (evidence: I dated a Mexican girl for over a year)....I have a problem with those who think they are special and deserve to be coddled because they are Mexican, especially the massive percentage of thme who are criminals and had to swim a river and run across a couple hundred miles of desert to get here......and deserve to be welcomed with open arms.

 

[MeganRose]

Hey green,

Not trying to be a jerk to you but I'm curious about this statement. I have worked extensively with the Hispanic/Latino population in the US. I have NEVER heard of a patient saying to anyone "why don't you learn Spanish." In my experience, H/L patients tend to be so grateful that it almost makes me uncomfortable. I try to cut them some slack, most Americans can only speak one language and many of them are proud of that fact...

I can tell you that greenbean's experiences are not unique. I have a friend who is native american and white (but very brown) and he was with me when I was talking to a Spanish speaking pt. The pt was trying to talk to my friend and I explained that he didn't speak Spanish. The pt had the nerve to say "He needs to learn Spanish, this is San Antonio."

There was also another pt who asked me what island I'm from bc I "speak funny." Not really appropriate to critize the accent of someone when you don't even speak the official language of the country you've lived in for 20+ years. So sadly, no, some people don't understand that care in Spanish is a privlege, not a given.

 

[MeganRose]

i feel like i barely passed them b'c my grades were usually in the low 70's, my highest was like a 77 on IM..to me,thats pretty bad,
as far as being a bad student goes, maybe i am. i used to be an excellent student in hs and ugrad. and when im asked a direct question by an housestaff or attg, i usually can answer correctly. but on these exams, i do so bad that i get the impression i really learned nothing, b'c usually exams accurately reflect my knowledge. also, i never improved. its not like one grade was a 60 then i got a 70 and then an 80. i have always been stuck in the same rut, no matter how much i read or how many practice ?s i do

as far as jobs/salaries go, my experience is mostly anecdotal, from seeing family friends struggle with finding jobs with a 5 fig.salary...perhaps the job market is different from their era, i guess i will have to trust what you guys are telling me

thanks again for all the replies

peace,
greenbean

Low 70s means that you're an average student, I don't think that makes you a lousy MS.

 

[MeganRose]

I have nothing against Mexicans (evidence: I dated a Mexican girl for over a year)....I .

And my best friend is black. 🙄

 

[AmoryBlaine]

I have nothing against Mexicans (evidence: I dated a Mexican girl for over a year)....I have a problem with those who think they are special and deserve to be coddled because they are Mexican, especially the massive percentage of thme who are criminals and had to swim a river and run across a couple hundred miles of desert to get here......and deserve to be welcomed with open arms.

These Mexicans who think they are "special" as you describe must be very few and far between. I have certainly never met one and I speak Spanish.

Come on dude, Mexico is a hole. If they can get over here they can make in one hour what they would make in a day over there. If I had been born in Mexico and I had a family to support, you'd better believe I'd be trying to add myself to that list of "criminals."

 

[NonTradMed]

That's news to me.
I just noticed this line. You've got to be kidding me, OP. Being an engineer guarantees you nothing. I worked in a "cush" engineering job, and it was still lots of hard work. You can talk to some of the other former engineers here on SDN and you'll hear the same from them. Changing fields doesn't magically make problems go away.

Very true. I worked in the IT field as a programmer and there were issues in that field just as there are issues in medicine....and not surprisingly, plenty of people thought it was *wonderful* I was getting out of IT and doing the magical field of medicine.They mentioned the lack of outsourcing, the job security, the high paycheck (remembe, avg programmer earned ~70k). What they don't remember is the long years of education, the debt, the on-call....although I should add, plenty of people in corporate had to work weekends, evenings and were 'on call' since we had to provide support to our clients...so anyway, the point is, the grass isn't greener in another field, it's just different.

But it's great to hear that there is a plethora of job opportunities in medicine but I have to remind myself it's all paid for by blood, sweat and tears. 😀

Nevetheless, the healthcare fields are generally a great place to work in becuase of teh demand for the people who work in it. I've spoken with many doctors and each have their own complaints about their job (surprisingly enough, only half complained about the hours they work), but money and job security was one of the *perks* they mentioned. As one said,"Money will never be an issue, but you earn *every* penny of it!". 😀

 

[45408]

you'd better believe I'd be trying to add myself to that list of "criminals."

He meant the actual prison-escapees and bail-jumper types, I'm pretty sure.

 

[Gooble]

I was surfing around the site and notice this post. The original poster said "why didn't I just do engineering or law?"

I'm a current law student thinking about leaving to pursue my dream of medicine.... I guess the grass really is always greener on the other side.

Like others have said though, unemployment for doctors is around ZERO. Not to mention the average income of docs far exceeds any other profession.

I go to Georgetown so the job opportunities for new grads are great, but go down the street to your local Tier 2 or even high Tier 1 and see that they have plenty of people that have no job prospects and $100k of debt.

 

[erichaj]

Precisely......I also don't wrap myself in a flag and start talking about how we're so much better than every other country. It's just a matter of common decency.....if I'm in Germany, I try to get by with my basic conversation skills; same goes for France and every other country I've been to; I at least try to learn the language so I'm not your typical American tourist prick. People should do the same when they come here.

Many people who come here make a strong effort to learn the language. Like kent stated they may not have the educational background to be able to learn english. In other cases they may have just arrived.

In the case of some of the younger (teens) people they should learn conversational english in school.

Many times the patients bring in their 10 year old child to translate. I think that could be dangerous. They don't alway translate what you are really saying.

When I go abroad, I don't know their language, I can open a book and find a few words, that's it.

English is recognized as the International language by most Nations. It used to be French.

I don't care what language one speaks, I care that I can communicate what I need to the patient. so, If I feel that I can't I tell them to make another appointment and bring someone who can help.

Otherwise I'm practicing vet. medicine.

 

[cytoborg]

Path doesn't take call. What does that tell you about the 'urgency' of a path emergency? And pathologists don't have to work in a hospital - like any doc, you don't have to work in academia or a big teaching hospital.

Pathologists do take call. Luckily, most of it is from home. If you are plagued with middle-of-the-night calls, and/or have to come into the hospital one or more times, you can definitely wind up quite sleep deprived. Overall it's still better than most specialties.

Path emergencies take the form of frozen sections, which generally have to be done RIGHT NOW at the surgeon's whim. Occasionally you'll have advance notice that one is expected, but often not.

 

[DropkickMurphy]

Yes, I did mean the drug mules, coyotes, and other lowlifes that come across to escape the Mexican justice system; but illegal immigrants are, by definition. criminals, and deserve to be deported regardless of what a hole their home nation happens to be. According to your argument, then I know a few thousand Afghanis who would be busting down your door and I doubt you'd be as welcoming to them, or would you, after all their homeland is a real ****hole....trust me, I've been there.

Most of the Mexicans I have dealt with- including many of the illegal immigrants- are really wonderful people, however it would be common courtesy to expect them to play by the rules and if they are going to come they should have do it through legal means, and if they are going to be here then they should learn the language.

Most do, at least on a cursory level- often comparable to my grasp of French- and most are quite nice about it. I have a rule, I don't get critical of them for not learning English, until they get crappy with me (usually when they have ETOH on board) for not speaking Spanish.

 

[DropkickMurphy]

I don't care what language one speaks, I care that I can communicate what I need to the patient. so, If I feel that I can't I tell them to make another appointment and bring someone who can help. Otherwise I'm practicing vet. medicine.

Actually it's not that much different from working on a really drunk or demented patient from whom you can't get a history....that's the analogy I've always used when teaching students how to handle this situation.

 

[AmoryBlaine]

Yes, I did mean the drug mules, coyotes, and other lowlifes that come across to escape the Mexican justice system; but illegal immigrants are, by definition. criminals, and deserve to be deported regardless of what a hole their home nation happens to be. According to your argument, then I know a few thousand Afghanis who would be busting down your door and I doubt you'd be as welcoming to them, or would you, after all their homeland is a real ****hole....trust me, I've been there.

Most of the Mexicans I have dealt with- including many of the illegal immigrants- are really wonderful people, however it would be common courtesy to expect them to play by the rules and if they are going to come they should have do it through legal means, and if they are going to be here then they should learn the language.

Most do, at least on a cursory level- often comparable to my grasp of French- and most are quite nice about it. I have a rule, I don't get critical of them for not learning English, until they get crappy with me (usually when they have ETOH on board) for not speaking Spanish.

Wait, you just said that you answer their questions in German...

As to "common courtesy," well, I really can't blame them for trying to get over here to make some money for their families.

 

[AmoryBlaine]

Actually it's not that much different from working on a really drunk or demented patient from whom you can't get a history....that's the analogy I've always used when teaching students how to handle this situation.

That's beautiful. Someone who can't speak English should be treated as if they are mentally incompetent.

You are consistently a delight.

 

[45408]

That's beautiful. Someone who can't speak English should be treated as if they are mentally incompetent.

You are consistently a delight.

🙄 Do you try to make everything seem as if it's politically incorrect?

 

[Winged Scapula]

Just a reminder to please stick to the subject presented by the OP.

If this continues to be a political discussion with its attendant unprofessional comments, I'll move it to the Everyone Forum where it belongs.

 

[AmoryBlaine]

🙄 Do you try to make everything seem as if it's politically incorrect?

Only when it absolutely is.

 

[drbon]

That's beautiful. Someone who can't speak English should be treated as if they are mentally incompetent.

You are consistently a delight.

hahahaha, a delight indeed

 

[DiveMD]

¿Qué? Escriban en español que no entiendo.