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"LECOM Introduces Three-Year Medical Degree Curriculum"
http://www.lecom.edu/bradenton/news/PCSP2.asp
http://www.lecom.edu/bradenton/news/PCSP2.asp
This 3 year program is a really bad idea...I know I'm going to make some people mad with this one but it looks to me like Family Practice might really take a beating in the future. Again.....I don't want anyone to think I'm bashing primary care...but when you look at "market forces" I think FP is a bad basket in which to put one's "eggs". PA's and NP's are capable of doing a large percent of FP and they are cheaper!! With things like "Ready-clinics" coming to a WalMart near you, these mid levels are going to be much more accessible to the public.
I agree FP docs are extermely capable and I think they provide better care. However, I don't think the future of healthcare administration will support paying physician wages and reimnbursements for treating sore throats, ear aches and routine appointments.
Sweet...LECOM is starting a PA school!? Just kidding of couse, I know what this is. It is a stupid move to lessen our education to that of PA's.
I'm not saying PA's are bad, but we are physicians.
I dont think "leading" and "AOA" should be used in the same sentence
again...can anyone comment on undergraduate institutions offering accelerated programs to get INTO medical school??
PA = NP = DO FP ? This will make DO's look bad as some will only have 3 years of medical education now as compared to their allopathic counterparts. On top of this there are DO schools and satellite campuses opening up fast and no quality GME being created concurrently. I think we may be in need of another Flexner report.
Pomona College in Claremont, CA has a linkage program with Western U through which you can become an MS1 in 3 years. They count some of your MS1 classes toward your undergraduate degree requirements.
That said, its not LECOM that worries me. What worries me is that the AOA thinks that the new ATSU-Mesa school can condense two years of preclinical sciences to one year... and "integrate" the rest into patient-hugging and clinical rotations done at almost exclusively all health clinics years 2-4. One of the intervees said on another thread in the pre-DO that when they visited one of the faculty was talking about how "back when I was in med school, we had to learn everything about the hand... thats just not practical." Ok, so just how much are they going to skimp on anatomy? Whats next, condensing respiratory physio -----> breathing is good, not breathing gets you dead? I'm exaggerating a bit obviously, but my point is that I think ATSU is taking a MUCH more radical path than LECOM. It seems as if he who holds AT Stills log-cabin in the lobby of your school gets to do what he wants. It may be ok for FP.... but what if someone decides later they want to do anethesia or IM (with intention of going into to cards or GI; read: they want to go to a high calibur IM program) or Neurosurgery. What kind of exposure can they possibly get in free/indigent out-patient health clinics that is going to compare to acute, tertiary care hospitals that draw the sickest of the sick from very large radii. I very much hope for the first few classes who're going to be piloting this new thing that they get the education they deserve.
In 1910, Flexner report concluded that the standards of osteopathic schools were in fact substantially lower. As a result of the Report, the AMA expected all osteopathic medical schools to close, and many in fact did. However, a series of internal revolutions within the AOA brought a number of its schools into compliance with Flexner's recommendations. The main Flexners recommendation was in fact that medical school curriculums need to be 4 years.
What is different today from 1910? Do we have less science to learn? Have we evolved to become smarter individuals since 1910? Or do the family practitioners today need to know less than the ones who received their medical education in 1910?!
Ask yourself: How many things that were invented in 1910 do we still use now a days? If everything else has evolved, shouldn't how we train physicians be modified as well? No we don't have less science to learn today, in fact have ten times or even a hundred times as much to learn. You think it's possible to learn it all? With scientific knowledge becoming outdated every two years, how are you going to keep up using an education model from 1910!? Is it not better to teach students to become lifelong learners, so that they can stay abreast of the science knowledge they need for their field?
This argument doesn't seem to address the following fact: the MD and DO 6 year FP programs are training physicians who by all standard measures are equivalently competent compared to their 7 year counterparts. USMLE/COMLEX and board certification exams are the same for both groups.
So if they're both equivalently competent...then it supports my arguement that it's silly to hold onto a model from 1910, if there's a more efficient way to do it today. If you want to be a PCP and don't mind cramming three years into four, then its smart to save yourself the $35K for the extra year. Again, why hold onto things just because they're "tradition" if there's a more efficient or innovative way to produce the same physician?
Ask yourself: How many things that were invented in 1910 do we still use now a days? If everything else has evolved, shouldn't how we train physicians be modified as well? No we don't have less science to learn today, in fact have ten times or even a hundred times as much to learn. You think it's possible to learn it all? With scientific knowledge becoming outdated every two years, how are you going to keep up using an education model from 1910!? Is it not better to teach students to become lifelong learners, so that they can stay abreast of the science knowledge they need for their field?
I think we are both on the same page as far as the "today's medical education expectations" and producing lifelong learners goes, with one excetion; and that is whether shortening the length of medical education is in fact contributing to producing more competent lifelong learners?!
3 or 4 years of medical education will not make a significant difference in the outcome of practicing FP's in the future. However, AOA always being a pioneer and leader in lowering the academic standards and board certifications will make a significant difference in the credibility and value of the DO degree that we are receiving.
Please see the article below in regards to the board certifications by AOA and some others issues emphasized in this article:
http://www.jaoa.org/cgi/content/full/106/5/252
I've read that letter before. I'm not sure how it supports the claim that the AOA is a 'pioneer and leader in lowering academic standards.' If anything, I would think requiring an additional intern year raises the standard of education.
Do you have anything solid that suggests educational standards for osteopathic education have been lowered at any relevant point in time?
Maybe the fact that only 72% oh highly motivated DO students who actually CHOOSE to take the step 1 USMLE only get to pass this examination as opposed to 92% of our allopath counterparts. In my opinion, this standardized examination is a good determinant that osteopathic schools are not offering the same level of education, which is being offered at the allopathic institutions.
Please see the link below for the statistical information:
http://www.usmle.org/scores/2005perf.htm
Maybe the fact that only 72% oh highly motivated DO students who actually CHOOSE to take the step 1 USMLE only get to pass this examination as opposed to 92% of our allopath counterparts. In my opinion, this standardized examination is a good determinant that osteopathic schools are not offering the same level of education, which is being offered at the allopathic institutions.
Please see the link below for the statistical information:
http://www.usmle.org/scores/2005perf.htm
It's probably not the schools that are providing a lower quality education that lead to lower scores, but the caliber of the students. Average MCAT for an Allopathic matriculant is 31 vs. the 26 average for Osteopathic students. Lets face it, the students going into DO programs are generally not as academically competitive as those going into MD programs. So when these students take the USMLE, they just follow the same trend shown earlier on the MCAT.
Greenshirt,
I think you are probably right.
but that is what makes us MD's and more...or is it less...???In a 50 week year, the DO student will have 200 less hours of curriculum devoted to passing the USMLE as the MD counterpart
but that is what makes us MD's and more...or is it less...???
Right. This is what cracks me up about these slogans that suggest DO is the same as MD plus more. As if we go to school longer than an MD.
The bottom line is that there is way too much mandatory OMT curriculum in years 1 and 2. This is at the expense of more important, more clinically relevant, medical curriculum and study of basic sciences. But this battle won't be won by fleeing to MD residencies and taking membership in AMA and predominately allopathic specialty colleges. Changes need to be made from within the AOA, by becoming active in the ranks and voicing rational criticism, as somebody pointed out in an earlier post.
That would be great except for the fact that the AOA is delusional! Try telling a pt with schizophrenia that they aren't hearing real voices!!!Changes need to be made from within the AOA, by becoming active in the ranks and voicing rational criticism, as somebody pointed out in an earlier post.
That would be great except for the fact that the AOA is delusional! Try telling a pt with schizophrenia that they aren't hearing real voices!!!
The greatest encumbrance to change from within the AOA is that their leaders aren't elected...they get appointed years in advance.
This means that a single slip up...one minor comment about AT Still not actually being diety...cranial might not fix everything from cancer to down syndrome to the avian flu...the germ theory actually has some merit...anything at all about the scientific method...or that our post-graduate education isn't "just fine" and you are out of any leadership position.
I am afraid, with how the AOA is set up and the issues they see as important right now (ie: O-MS, DO's on tv shows), that the only way to improve and continue to support progress for our profession is through another organization. Whether it is the AMA (which i would recommend everyone join to see how a real professional organization works) or an organization that is newly created, betterment and progress is needed.