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NeuroSync said:
Well, I'm good at reading lables, anyway. As for being a guy, hold on, let me check.... ummm, nope.
In that case, want to grab a beer?
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NeuroSync said:
Well, I'm good at reading lables, anyway. As for being a guy, hold on, let me check.... ummm, nope.
Sessamoid said:4 years of intense study during the prime of your youth seems a bit much just so you can learn enough to be able to understand your relatives' medical problems. I hope you're independently wealthy, because $100,000+ in school debt is not something to be undertaken lightly if you never intend on practicing.
I'll defer the arguments about whether it is even ethical to take up a medical school spot if you don't intend to practice.
I'd like to cover something else though. The point of medicine is not "the pursuit of knowledge." That is the point of science. Medicine, while partly based on scientific discoveries, is clearly not itself a science. The point of medicine is caring for people. Knowledge is not the goal, it is merely a tool and not even the only one we have.
Perhaps you would be happier in medical research? That seems far more concordant with your personal goals than the practice of medicine.
typeB-md said:you see, i have not committed to anything. I have just said that if it comes down to me not finding a niche in medicine, then no big deal. I will try my luck at something else if nothing piques my interest of if i do not match a wanted specialty.
Is it unethical for 1/4 of the Duke class to go into research since we need clinicians? Is it unethical for 5 people in the Stanford's 4th year class to go into Dermatology while pediatric residency spots are going unfilled? Is it unethical for my school to admit a 38 year old man who will be 45 upon graduatin residency?
It's an interesting question. One might argue that since they'll be developing new techniques and drugs that they'll have an even greater benefit as researchers than clinicians however. In any case, the system is set up that it's hard for a medical researcher to get funding without the "M.D." as well as the "PhD" after their name. In any case, it's clearly not a wasted education as it would be if they just did it for the education and never intended to use it for anything other than personal enlightenment.typeB-md said:Is it unethical for 1/4 of the Duke class to go into research since we need clinicians?
Same question. The distribution of residents is too big a question here. But at least they'll going to medical school for a bigger reason than just for the hell of it. A 45 year old has at least 20 years of working life ahead of him, which is better than admitting somebody at age 22 who has no intention of ever practicing medicine.Is it unethical for 5 people in the Stanford's 4th year class to go into Dermatology while pediatric residency spots are going unfilled? Is it unethical for my school to admit a 38 year old man who will be 45 upon graduatin residency?
The state subsidizes medical education to a large degree, so the question is whether the investment the state (and society on a larger scale) is going to be wasted.I consider it a privilege to learn the stuff i am. And as far as $100K in debt...this is a small price to pay for the excellent learning experience. I have the rest of my life to pay off loans, but only so much time to apply my brain. I'm not really a bad guy. I just like to learn and as such i am slowly learning about the political morass that medicine is currently in.
Sessamoid said:The state subsidizes medical education to a large degree, so the question is whether the investment the state (and society on a larger scale) is going to be wasted.
No. I've thought about doing some homebrew, but haven't really looked at it yet. Sorry for hijacking your hijack.NeuroSync said:Do you have any opinons about different types of hops, Sessamoid (come on, throw me a bone!)?
Sessamoid said:No. I've thought about doing some homebrew, but haven't really looked at it yet. Sorry for hijacking your hijack.
GeneralVeers said:Does the type of beer you drink have any bearing on whether EM is a good career for you?
For example, I can't drink Bud, Miller, Coors, or Bud Lite (awful). But Sam Adams and most foreign beers are drinkable.
roja said:I was trying to sign out to get to hte Spurs Nicks game. *sniff*
I would tell you but.... "You can't handle the truth"jazz said:"I don't think your clients belong in jail, but I don't get to make that decision! I represent the government of the United States without passion or prejudice,"
guess what movie this is from?.
benelswick said:...I wanted to ask about what type of person is successful in the job. I've worked as a tech in the E.D. and know for certain that I loved all the human aspects of assisting with patient care and the teamwork involved as well. I think E.R. people are the best people to work with because their all somewhat crazy and alot of them are hillarious, like the people on this board.
What concerns me though is if I'm really the type of person who can multi task at a 100 mph under alot of stress. I mean when I used to watch the ED doc's in my hospital talk on the phone to a consulting physician while a concerned family menber is on hold and one of their patients is coding and on their desk is about five open charts in various stages of work-up and they are doing this all at once.....I think to myself how the helll can they keep it together.
typeB-md said:it's not so much 'scammed' as i want the knowledge about myself and my family. i want to be able to suture up any wounds i get. i want to be able to self administer drugs and know their affects.
Doczilla said:You are right that EM people tend to be very cool folks, a little nuts, laid back, and a fun group. It's a culture thing, one that I'm very fond of.
As far as the multitasking goes, Roja is right. It's a personality thing, but also a learned skill. Take the perspective of the consulting physician who comes down to the ER to admit a patient. Not knowing what is going on, the ER seems loud, hectic, and disorganized. It's a wonder that any kind of medicine is practiced at all down here. From the ER doc's perspective, though, things are going just fine. They know about each patient, having an idea about where each one is going and what is still pending.
A mass casualty incident looks pretty hairy from the perspective of the paramedic, but not so much to the incident commander, who has the larger view of the situation. The ER doc has honed his clinical skills to the point where a lot of the patient care is pattern recognition and reflex. He's not agonizing over the clinical decisions, as they come more easily through experience and training.
As your knowledge and clinical skills grow, you will be able to take a larger and larger view of the department, able to deliver good patient care and manage department flow at the same time. It's easy to be overwhelmed by your first chest pain patient that you've had to manage yourself. After seeing several hundred of them, it requires less effort to see all the different directions a chest pain workup can go. There's a reason that ER docs are so cool running a code and vascular surgeons are so cool with a spurting vessel. They know that if the worst possible thing happens, they can handle it. There is therefore not so much stress.
As a side note, it's okay to enter medical school with an idea about a career that might appeal to you, but there are many specialties out there that you may not have been exposed to that may be an even better match for you. You may find that surgery or opthamology or internal medicine is what really lights your fire. Don't let your envisioned specialty dictate if, how, or where you go to med school.
'zilla
Koko said:Knicks? I'm worried about you...
Now if you were trying to get to Yankee Stadium, that would be understandable.