Is it just me or have I picked the wrong field to go into?

[Thomas_Underhill]

Okay so I should preface this by saying that I wanted to go into medicine or pharmacy because research was way too specific (I dont want to become the world expert on one single enzyme cascade) and I do view becoming a physician or pharmacist as something worthwhile and meaningful because you have a direct impact on patients health.

However, after looking at a few social media posts on instagram and youtube and working in healthcare I have never been more disgusted by a profession.

The level of oblivious narcissism among physicians and nurses has all but compelled me to view our modern healthcare system as the elitist bourgeois oppressing the poor sick proletariat.

Ive seen physicians refuse to see patients over medical bills, or discharging them from their care for seeing another specialist in their field at the ER.


now with the coronavirus outbreaks
They are complaining about the 'risks' of their job as if it was news that medicine was a dangerous profession.
They are paid 3x that of a police officer, and they dont take nearly as much hate from the public, despite killing more innocent people than police do.

They are complaining about hoarders at the supermarket because they cant find luxury foods like ground beef and chicken and feel the need to constantly remind ppl online that "they are the ones who take care of people" as if that somehow entitles them to said nonexistent food at the supermarket.

Being a physician, nurse, pharmacist or etc does NOT make you special, they are not beautiful or unique snowflakes, they are the same decaying organic matter as everyone else.

I got fired from starbucks for having my phone out at work, but for some reason we allow nurses and physicians to take selfies at work, including in the OR?

During my work as a tech I saw two medical students(?) have to go into a patients room and tell the patients family that their loved one was going to die and there was nothing left they could do.

These two "medical students" starting laughing hysterically pushing each other back and fourth "you go in there" , "no, you go in there"

Are these medical professionals or overgrown children?


They act like patients are stupid, helpless idiots who cant be bothered to wash their hands when they themselves dont wash their hands either.

They get angry at patients for being scared, for being in pain, and for being human when they are a part of a system that kills the same order of magnitude each year as cardiovascular disease and cancer. When highlighted of their failures they will always deny it or the usual "doctors are human too" if they are human too, then how about they act with the humility that accompanies being part of the same compost heap as the rest of us?

I really hope to hear that my assessment is either wrong or changeable, I dont want to view healthcare in this light, but its been hard to see it as anything else.

I apologize if this is poorly written, I am far too upset to write coherently.

---

Members don't see this ad.

 

[Doctoscope]

They are paid 3x that of a police officer, and they dont take nearly as much hate from the public, despite killing more innocent people than police do.

I think there's a pretty big difference between medical malpractice and going "whoops, shot a black/hispanic kid, guess it's time for a 3 week paid leave then coming back with 0 repercussions."

 

[Jeremy Bearimy]

If you're looking for a profession with no egos, no examples of immaturity or self righteousness, no complaints, and no structural hurdles, I don't know where to tell you to look. In medicine, like in any other profession, you're going to see examples of what you don't like. You're also going to see examples of selflessness, skill, empathy, persistence. Are there problems with some norms in medicine? There certainly are, like in many other professions. If you want to make a change, be the doctor that you want to see.

Also, regarding the current pandemic, doctors, nurses, and other healthcare professionals are doing something special. They are not special little snowflakes, and I'm sure they wouldn't to be called that, but they are putting their lives on the line to treat people like you or I when we get sick. And right now, people like you and I are getting sick in unprecedented numbers and we need healthcare professionals like never before. Like it or not, they are performing an essential service and should be recognized as such. So are factory workers, grocery cashiers, parcel deliverers, public health professionals, researchers, etc.

 

[vrazzles]

Is the medical professional perfect? No - nowhere near. If you want a perfect field to go into filled with only perfect people then you'll be looking forever.

Many people go into medicine with the same naive idealism that you seem to exhibit. In my experience, many of them lose that upon seeing the other side of the coin - how much disease and illness is caused by preventable, changeable, lifestyle factors. While patient deaths due to medical mistakes are regrettable, do you imagine that our human condition would be better if we had fewer or no doctors? Going into medicine is an opportunity to be the positive change you want to see. To be the kind of physician for your patients that you would want for those you love the most.

You seem to think in absolutes. That something is "always" one way or the other. Perhaps try to see the shades of gray in between? IMHO that's mostly what life is - shades of gray.

 

[Mkif586]

Any profession that has to deal with life and death involves deaths of innocent people. And the number is a lot bigger than just front people. Think of military commanders that give orders to kill the entire villages, CIA departments doing shady stuff in various countries, DEA eliminating entire families of drug cartel members. Pharm companies that set prices insanely high and leave people without needed medications. Insurance companies that used to refuse selling insurances to many people. These were just offhand examples, but if you are going to hate all LEO’s for few over exaggerated by media incidents, all doctors for the same reason, all soldiers for any wrong decisions that they made during battle, then something is very wrong with you.
Bottom line: you can go into a profession and try to make it better - eg become a police officer in a predominantly minority neighborhood and show locals that you can be a friend not an enemy (and that happens way more often than you think and than fatal shootings as well, just doesn’t attract media attention). Or you can become a doctor and work at a non profit clinic providing mentally ill patients with needed care. Or you can become a pharmaceutical engineer and develop your own medication that will be priced very cheap so anyone could afford it. Or, of course, you can work at Starbucks and complaining on unanimous forums how terrible your boss is for firing your for violation work standards while some nurses on the other end of the country have the privilege to take selfies at work. Don’t judge huge categories of people based on few examples you read online, this doesn’t serve you any benefit and it is definitely not a useful exercise.
Don’t try to divide the world into either good or evil, it doesn’t work like that.

 

[shaggybill]

I doubt you're going to get many sympathizers here. If this is your perspective of what the medical field is, then yeah, you should do something else.

 

[supsurfer]

I doubt you're going to get many sympathizers here. If this is your perspective of what the medical field is, then yeah, you should do something else.

This

 

[deleted859689]

I got fired from starbucks for having my phone out at work, but for some reason we allow nurses and physicians to take selfies at work, including in the OR?

You did not get fired for taking out your phone once, or even twice, or even 5 times in my opinion. I work at Starbucks and it takes much more than that to get fired. You literally have to burn the store down to get fired. Heck all of us watched the governor's speech the other day in the store with the blessings of our store manager.

If you were told to put your phone away multiple times and didn't, that's on you which means you have a problem with authority.

 

[Kirby Smart]

To answer your question, yes you picked the wrong field lmao.

As a side note I'm kind of floored that someone's finding ways to criticize the character of healthcare providers on the front-lines during today's pandemic, but I suppose there will always be people to complain about something. But I'm sure you're doing a lot more than they are for patients right now so maybe I shouldn't judge?

Oh, and lastly- :troll:

 

[Thomas_Underhill]

If you're looking for a profession with no egos, no examples of immaturity or self righteousness, no complaints, and no structural hurdles, I don't know where to tell you to look. In medicine, like in any other profession, you're going to see examples of what you don't like. You're also going to see examples of selflessness, skill, empathy, persistence. Are there problems with some norms in medicine? There certainly are, like in many other professions. If you want to make a change, be the doctor that you want to see.

Also, regarding the current pandemic, doctors, nurses, and other healthcare professionals are doing something special. They are not special little snowflakes, and I'm sure they wouldn't to be called that, but they are putting their lives on the line to treat people like you or I when we get sick. And right now, people like you and I are getting sick in unprecedented numbers and we need healthcare professionals like never before. Like it or not, they are performing an essential service and should be recognized as such. So are factory workers, grocery cashiers, parcel deliverers, public health professionals, researchers, etc.

Exactly, I dont see factory workers, grocery store clerks, pharmacy technicians, or public health officials complaining about the risks of their job and acting like self righteous entitled narcissists: bitching about meat at a grocery store. whats worse is that it seems medicine accepts zero criticism and has no means for improvement: a collectivist hive mind that keeps growing bigger and more bloated every day, and these problems are unique to healthcare only: engineers and researchers do not carry themselves with this level of narcissim

 

[Thomas_Underhill]

You did not get fired for taking out your phone once, or even twice, or even 5 times in my opinion. I work at Starbucks and it takes much more than that to get fired. You literally have to burn the store down to get fired. Heck all of us watched the governor's speech the other day in the store with the blessings of our store manager.

If you were told to put your phone away multiple times and didn't, that's on you which means you have a problem with authority.

Red herrings aside: yes I did, granted this was 10 years ago and the manager was a psycho

 

[Thomas_Underhill]

Is the medical professional perfect? No - nowhere near. If you want a perfect field to go into filled with only perfect people then you'll be looking forever.

Many people go into medicine with the same naive idealism that you seem to exhibit. In my experience, many of them lose that upon seeing the other side of the coin - how much disease and illness is caused by preventable, changeable, lifestyle factors. While patient deaths due to medical mistakes are regrettable, do you imagine that our human condition would be better if we had fewer or no doctors? Going into medicine is an opportunity to be the positive change you want to see. To be the kind of physician for your patients that you would want for those you love the most.

You seem to think in absolutes. That something is "always" one way or the other. Perhaps try to see the shades of gray in between? IMHO that's mostly what life is - shades of gray.

Engineering, and research does NOT accompany this level of narcissism and entitlement. I suspect that this emerges largely from the criticisms that these fields constantly undergo vs that of healthcare. If youve ever been to any sort of conference on any sort of academic topic there is always someone in the room who is better versed on the subject matter than you are.

To answer your question, yes you picked the wrong field lmao.

As a side note I'm kind of floored that someone's finding ways to criticize the character of healthcare providers on the front-lines during today's pandemic, but I suppose there will always be people to complain about something. But I'm sure you're doing a lot more than they are for patients right now so maybe I shouldn't judge?

Oh, and lastly- :troll:

Are you working as an ED tech right now? Do you have PALS, and ACLS certification?

 

[Thomas_Underhill]

Any profession that has to deal with life and death involves deaths of innocent people. And the number is a lot bigger than just front people. Think of military commanders that give orders to kill the entire villages, CIA departments doing shady stuff in various countries, DEA eliminating entire families of drug cartel members. Pharm companies that set prices insanely high and leave people without needed medications. Insurance companies that used to refuse selling insurances to many people. These were just offhand examples, but if you are going to hate all LEO’s for few over exaggerated by media incidents, all doctors for the same reason, all soldiers for any wrong decisions that they made during battle, then something is very wrong with you.
Bottom line: you can go into a profession and try to make it better - eg become a police officer in a predominantly minority neighborhood and show locals that you can be a friend not an enemy (and that happens way more often than you think and than fatal shootings as well, just doesn’t attract media attention). Or you can become a doctor and work at a non profit clinic providing mentally ill patients with needed care. Or you can become a pharmaceutical engineer and develop your own medication that will be priced very cheap so anyone could afford it. Or, of course, you can work at Starbucks and complaining on unanimous forums how terrible your boss is for firing your for violation work standards while some nurses on the other end of the country have the privilege to take selfies at work. Don’t judge huge categories of people based on few examples you read online, this doesn’t serve you any benefit and it is definitely not a useful exercise.
Don’t try to divide the world into either good or evil, it doesn’t work like that.

I never referenced these things as good or evil, what I am saying and nobody seems to be addressing is that there are serious problems within the social sphere of how healthcare workers view themselves and how this impacts their profession performance on many levels. Hell Ive refrenced two med students LAUGHING about telling a patients family their loved one will die and nobody has made any comments or condemnation about it. there is zero feedback in place to ensure that there is any regulation of behavior or ethics and this is a uniquely physician and nursing problem

 

[Zen Arcade]

Exactly, I dont see factory workers, grocery store clerks, pharmacy technicians, or public health officials complaining about the risks of their job and acting like self righteous entitled narcissists: bitching about meat at a grocery store. whats worse is that it seems medicine accepts zero criticism and has no means for improvement: a collectivist hive mind that keeps growing bigger and more bloated every day

I also don't see healthcare professionals complaining about the risks of their job either. If you really think someone taking a picture in PPE constitutes as complaining I think it says a lot more about you and your cynical attitude than any individual healthcare worker, let alone the millions of people who put themself in harms way to treat others during this crisis.

 

[Thomas_Underhill]

I also don't see healthcare professionals complaining about the risks of their job either. If you really think someone taking a picture in PPE constitutes as complaining I think it says a lot more about you and your cynical attitude than any individual healthcare worker, let alone the millions of people who put themself in harms way to treat others during this crisis.

You didnt read the post

 

[vrazzles]

Engineering, and research does NOT accompany this level of narcissism and entitlement. I suspect that this emerges largely from the criticisms that these fields constantly undergo vs that of healthcare. If youve ever been to any sort of conference on any sort of academic topic there is always someone in the room who is better versed on the subject matter than you are.


Are you working as an ED tech right now? Do you have PALS, and ACLS certification?

if you are going to make stupid assumptions about OPs because you didnt bother to read their post then dont say anything at all, because I will just assume you are the child of these elitist bourgeois physicians who act like they are god

You think that arrogance and egoism don't exist in research or engineering? I've been in research for almost ten years and I have seen many times the effect of big egos on data skewing.

Also, for someone that criticizes arrogance, you sure display a lot of it. Who are you to make assumptions about the children of physicians and assume that because you've worked as a tech that you're somehow more qualified to judge. Get over yourself and your shoddy attempt at marxism.

You should enter another field.

 

[Goro]

6/10 for effort

10/10 for pathology and entertainment value. Up there with the legendary Streampaw.

 

[OrthoTraumaMD]

Troll.

 

[Goro]

Troll.

Oh, after reading his posts in pre-Pharm, he's the real deal, especially this treasure:

"both of yall be spending every moment of your lives on this forum saying the same things over and over again, may be truthful at times but I really dont value an absolutist opinion."

 

[OrthoTraumaMD]

Oh, after reading his posts in pre-Pharm, he's the real deal.

Oh dear. Well then. if this person thinks doctors are a bunch of spoiled “rich” people, definitely wrong field to choose.

 

[Dr. Rafiki]

It's like he just learned the word "bourgeois" and needed an avenue to use it.

 

[Goro]

It's like he just learned the word "bourgeois" and needed an avenue to use it.

 

[Kardio]

Okay so I should preface this by saying that I wanted to go into medicine or pharmacy because research was way too specific (I dont want to become the world expert on one single enzyme cascade) and I do view becoming a physician or pharmacist as something worthwhile and meaningful because you have a direct impact on patients health.

However, after looking at a few social media posts on instagram and youtube and working in healthcare I have never been more disgusted by a profession.

The level of oblivious narcissism among physicians and nurses has all but compelled me to view our modern healthcare system as the elitist bourgeois oppressing the poor sick proletariat.

Ive seen physicians refuse to see patients over medical bills, or discharging them from their care for seeing another specialist in their field at the ER.


now with the coronavirus outbreaks
They are complaining about the 'risks' of their job as if it was news that medicine was a dangerous profession.
They are paid 3x that of a police officer, and they dont take nearly as much hate from the public, despite killing more innocent people than police do.

They are complaining about hoarders at the supermarket because they cant find luxury foods like ground beef and chicken and feel the need to constantly remind ppl online that "they are the ones who take care of people" as if that somehow entitles them to said nonexistent food at the supermarket.

Being a physician, nurse, pharmacist or etc does NOT make you special, they are not beautiful or unique snowflakes, they are the same decaying organic matter as everyone else.

I got fired from starbucks for having my phone out at work, but for some reason we allow nurses and physicians to take selfies at work, including in the OR?

During my work as a tech I saw two medical students(?) have to go into a patients room and tell the patients family that their loved one was going to die and there was nothing left they could do.

These two "medical students" starting laughing hysterically pushing each other back and fourth "you go in there" , "no, you go in there"

Are these medical professionals or overgrown children?


They act like patients are stupid, helpless idiots who cant be bothered to wash their hands when they themselves dont wash their hands either.

They get angry at patients for being scared, for being in pain, and for being human when they are a part of a system that kills the same order of magnitude each year as cardiovascular disease and cancer. When highlighted of their failures they will always deny it or the usual "doctors are human too" if they are human too, then how about they act with the humility that accompanies being part of the same compost heap as the rest of us?

I really hope to hear that my assessment is either wrong or changeable, I dont want to view healthcare in this light, but its been hard to see it as anything else.

I apologize if this is poorly written, I am far too upset to write coherently.

You should look into a more wholesome profession, like finance or law.

 

[deleted859689]

They are complaining about hoarders at the supermarket because they cant find luxury foods like ground beef and chicken

I'm dirt poor and bought chicken the other day. If you think ground beef and chicken are luxury food items what kind of life style are you living?!

Now ORGANIC chicken is freakin' 4 dollars more per pound. That is a luxury...

 

[Zen Arcade]

You didnt read the post

Okay well even with going back and reading your original post my opinion of your attitude and the sentiment of my statement still stands. Every service industry has insufferable and narcissistic people. This is no surprise. It's easy to paint an entire industry as evil if you choose to ignore all the good.

 

[shaggybill]

I'm going to take a stab and say that OP is 17-19 years old, is just now starting to get some real life exposure to some fringe political persuasions, has made a few slightly older friends who have been "onto the man" now for a few years and whose vocabulary is inspiring to impressionable youngsters who are ripe for a rebellion and are looking for a fight.

OP, I understand the allure of finding something to fight for, something to make yourself stand out from the crowd, that makes you unique, but find something to else to put your energy into. This is a waste of time and a waste of talent. There are lots of good causes out there that need people with energy. This is not one of them.

 

[Goro]

I'm going to take a stab and say that OP is 17-19 years old, is just now starting to get some real life exposure to some fringe political persuasions, has made a few slightly older friends who have been "onto the man" now for a few years and whose vocabulary is inspiring to impressionable youngsters who are ripe for a rebellion and are looking for a fight.

OP, I understand the allure of finding something to fight for, something to make yourself stand out from the crowd, that makes you unique, but find something to else to put your energy into. This is a waste of time and a waste of talent. There are lots of good causes out there that need people with energy. This is not one of them.

Indeed. It's been a while since I had to refer to this:

 

[gyngyn]

It appears that OP got his answer.