Is it true that a GPA from community college= GPA at university -2.0?

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I heard that each dental school weigh your GPA according to the university that you go to and going to a CC is like going to a tier 3 university. Is this correct?

For example 3.7 at cc equal to 1.7 at uni???
Thanks

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Not really, some schools think CC classes are not as strong as 4-year univ classes so they will recommend to take the class at a 4-year univ but some will not care as long as you take upper level Bio classes at the 4-year univ and demonstrate you can handle more than Bio or Orgo from a CC.
 
No one can tell you this for sure. I already told you this after you bugged me in a PM. Many dental schools have a formula they use to calculate your points as an applicant, and GPAs are factored into that formula differently, depending on if you're from a tier 1 university or a low rank university. A 3.4 from Harvard > a 3.6GPA from a small unknown school.

I know one dental school in particular who does this to an applicant's GPA in their formula

Tier 1 university GPA x 1
Tier 2 university GPA x 0.8
Tier 3/community college GPA x 0.6

Your other aspects like DAT scores and ECs all count and may be factored into the formula, but I already told you my 2 cent. Don't toot your horn about a community college 4.0 GPA. It's not going to be looked at as impressively as a 4.0 from a 4 year university.
 
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No one can tell you this for sure. I already told you this after you bugged me in a PM. Many dental schools have a formula they use to calculate your points as an applicant, and GPAs are factored into that formula differently, depending on if you're from a tier 1 university or a low rank university. A 3.4 from Harvard > a 3.6GPA from a small unknown school.

I know one dental school in particular who does this to an applicant's GPA in their formula

Tier 1 university GPA x 1
Tier 2 university GPA x 0.8
Tier 3/community college GPA x 0.6

Your other aspects like DAT scores and ECs all count and may be factored into the formula, but I already told you my 2 cent. Don't toot your horn about a community college 4.0 GPA. It's not going to be looked at as impressively as a 4.0 from a 4 year university.

stanford 2.5 > Community college 4.0? I'm going to go ahead and call BS on that
 
No one can tell you this for sure. I already told you this after you bugged me in a PM. Many dental schools have a formula they use to calculate your points as an applicant, and GPAs are factored into that formula differently, depending on if you're from a tier 1 university or a low rank university. A 3.4 from Harvard > a 3.6GPA from a small unknown school.

I know one dental school in particular who does this to an applicant's GPA in their formula

Tier 1 university GPA x 1
Tier 2 university GPA x 0.8
Tier 3/community college GPA x 0.6

Your other aspects like DAT scores and ECs all count and may be factored into the formula, but I already told you my 2 cent. Don't toot your horn about a community college 4.0 GPA. It's not going to be looked at as impressively as a 4.0 from a 4 year university.



I was not by any mean trying to "toot" my horn about my community college work. Also I didn't bug you in a PM, I only asked you once for an opinion on the schools I should apply to. You asked me about my stats so I gave it to you. You told me about CC gpa being weighed less than a tier 1 university so I would like to ask other people's opinion about it. That's all.
 
Tier 1 university GPA x 1
Tier 2 university GPA x 0.8
Tier 3/community college GPA x 0.6

Can you give examples of what kind of school each Tier represents?

I assume for the most part it's analogous to NCAA division I, II, III. Big name schools tend to be D1 like USC, LSU, OSU, Mich, Duke, Stanford, and thus Tier 1.

Yes of course some super prestigious universities won't be division I but for the most part, is that a fair generalization of the Tiers?
 
Can you give examples of what kind of school each Tier represents?

I assume for the most part it's analogous to NCAA division I, II, III. Big name schools tend to be D1 like USC, LSU, OSU, Mich, Duke, Stanford, and thus Tier 1.

Yes of course some super prestigious universities won't be division I but for the most part, is that a fair generalization of the Tiers?

I thnk the different tiers have more to do with rankings, rather than sports. From what I've read, there doesn't seem to be a solid definition of "Tier 1"... here's a link I found:

http://diycollegerankings.com/faqs/what-is-a-tier-1-school-university-or-college/
 
Can you give examples of what kind of school each Tier represents?

I assume for the most part it's analogous to NCAA division I, II, III. Big name schools tend to be D1 like USC, LSU, OSU, Mich, Duke, Stanford, and thus Tier 1.

Yes of course some super prestigious universities won't be division I but for the most part, is that a fair generalization of the Tiers?

I don't think that sports division has anything to do with how prestigious a school is, which is what I think has an effect on what Tier the school is according to KittySquared's formula.

What about schools that are obviously strong academically such as Amherst, Brandeis, CalTech, Carleton, Carnegie Mellon, Case Western, Emory...etc? The list goes on...they're all division III.
 
I thnk the different tiers have more to do with rankings, rather than sports. From what I've read, there doesn't seem to be a solid definition of "Tier 1"... here's a link I found:

http://diycollegerankings.com/faqs/what-is-a-tier-1-school-university-or-college/

Well obviously. Even the article you mentioned said there's not an official definition for Tier 1 and that it's a matter of perception. I was trying to see if a seemingly unrelated generalization can be applied.

For the most part, I think it holds up. The article you mentioned said Tier 1 universities typically get at least $100 million in research funding, selective admission, competitive faculty salaries, etc. I'd say most D1 schools meet that requirement.
 
What about schools that are obviously strong academically such as Amherst, Brandeis, CalTech, Carleton, Carnegie Mellon, Case Western, Emory...etc? The list goes on...they're all division III.

Hence why I specifically stated many super prestigious universities won't be D1, and that I was generalizing. Just trying to see where the line between Tier 1, 2, 3 starts and stops.
 
this thread is mental masturbation.

whether you went to 'undergrad in boston' or truck driving school prior to applying, it is in your best interest to show the strongest academic record you can.

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I heard that each dental school weigh your GPA according to the university that you go to and going to a CC is like going to a tier 3 university. Is this correct?

For example 3.7 at cc equal to 1.7 at uni???
Thanks

I HIGHLY doubt it's going to be that drastic... ~2.0GPA discrepancy is just nonsensical.

But at the same time, don't expect it to be the same. I've taken both CC and Uni "equivalent" courses, and they are so far from being anything remotely equivalent. Uni courses are just significantly harder than CC ones, and I'm pretty sure the Adcoms are aware of this.🙄
 
I HIGHLY doubt it's going to be that drastic... ~2.0GPA discrepancy is just nonsensical.

But at the same time, don't expect it to be the same. I've taken both CC and Uni "equivalent" courses, and they are so far from being anything remotely equivalent. Uni courses are just significantly harder than CC ones, and I'm pretty sure the Adcoms are aware of this.🙄

I guess you can say that "in general" CC courses are definitely easier than university courses. I have also taken both university and CC courses and believe it or not some of my university courses are actually easier due to humongous curves.
 
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stanford 2.5 > Community college 4.0? I'm going to go ahead and call BS on that

Nobody said that. What I showed was part of a ranking system and formula that a particular dental school uses. Every school does it differently. It's just an example of how not all GPAs from different institutions are equally treated. Their ranking systems of applicants and different colleges are pretty complex. This isn't common knowledge amont predents, or anyone outside of admissions, for that matter. However, it should be common sense for one to acknowledge that GPAs from 4 year universities are worth more than GPAs from a CC.

If you really think a CC student with a 4.0 is going to be looked at more favorably than say, a UCLA student with a 3.7, then you're out of your mind.

Can you give examples of what kind of school each Tier represents?
Sure. Harvard, Yale, Stanford and the likes are their "tier 1" schools. This is a public dental school and they ranked their own undergraduate as part of their "tier 2" school, like many large public universities. From the brief examples I saw, athletics actually has nothing to do with how they ranked those schools. It's almost exclusively for academics.
 
Nobody said that. What I showed was part of a ranking system and formula that a particular dental school uses. Every school does it differently. It's just an example of how not all GPAs from different institutions are equally treated. Their ranking systems of applicants and different colleges are pretty complex. This isn't common knowledge amont predents, or anyone outside of admissions, for that matter. However, it should be common sense for one to acknowledge that GPAs from 4 year universities are worth more than GPAs from a CC.

If you really think a CC student with a 4.0 is going to be looked at more favorably than say, a UCLA student with a 3.7, then you're out of your mind.


Sure. Harvard, Yale, Stanford and the likes are their "tier 1" schools. This is a public dental school and they ranked their own undergraduate as part of their "tier 2" school, like many large public universities. From the brief examples I saw, athletics actually has nothing to do with how they ranked those schools. It's almost exclusively for academics.

I think he's talking about some closer to: CC 4.0 vs 4yr 3.0 ....
 
Nobody said that. What I showed was part of a ranking system and formula that a particular dental school uses. Every school does it differently. It's just an example of how not all GPAs from different institutions are equally treated. Their ranking systems of applicants and different colleges are pretty complex. This isn't common knowledge amont predents, or anyone outside of admissions, for that matter. However, it should be common sense for one to acknowledge that GPAs from 4 year universities are worth more than GPAs from a CC.

You said it. 4.0 times .6 is 2.4. Therefore you said that a particular dental school would view a tier 1 with a 2.5 as preferable to a 4.0 at a community college. I said that was BS and I stand by that statement
 
Nobody said that. What I showed was part of a ranking system and formula that a particular dental school uses. Every school does it differently. It's just an example of how not all GPAs from different institutions are equally treated. Their ranking systems of applicants and different colleges are pretty complex. This isn't common knowledge amont predents, or anyone outside of admissions, for that matter. However, it should be common sense for one to acknowledge that GPAs from 4 year universities are worth more than GPAs from a CC.

If you really think a CC student with a 4.0 is going to be looked at more favorably than say, a UCLA student with a 3.7, then you're out of your mind.

Sure. Harvard, Yale, Stanford and the likes are their "tier 1" schools. This is a public dental school and they ranked their own undergraduate as part of their "tier 2" school, like many large public universities. From the brief examples I saw, athletics actually has nothing to do with how they ranked those schools. It's almost exclusively for academics.

Would you mind informing us how you came to know this formula for converting GPA's? Do you work for the admissions office of a dental school? You just got in this past cycle so I'm willing to bet the answer is no.


What you showed, in your own words was "part of a ranking system and formula that a particular dental school uses...not all GPAs from different institutions are equally treated." So yes, according to the formula you showed, a 2.5 from a tier 1 school would be treated as higher on this scale than a 4.0 at a community college, as someone else pointed out.

According this this supposed GPA scale you posted:
-a 4.0 from a tier 1 school would be equivalent to a 4.0 on their scale
-a 4.0 from a tier 2 school would be equivalent to a 3.2 on their scale
-a 4.0 from a CC would be equivalent to a 2.4 on their scale


As an example, let's take some real numbers. Let's take someone from a tier 2 school with a 3.8 GPA. Are you seriously trying to make us believe that this would be equivalent to a 3.04 on this GPA scale because the person went to a tier 2 school and that a 3.1 from a tier 1 school would be viewed as a "better" GPA?

It'd bode well for my 3.2, since I did my undergrad at one of the schools you listed as tier 1, but I don't believe it for a second.
 
How do you guys come with such nonsense?
 
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Nobody said that. What I showed was part of a ranking system and formula that a particular dental school uses. Every school does it differently. It's just an example of how not all GPAs from different institutions are equally treated. Their ranking systems of applicants and different colleges are pretty complex.

You guys are completely taking Kitty's example out of context. She mentioned one particular formula for one specific school. This doesn't make it a hard and fast rule for all schools everywhere.

It should also be considered that the GPA is just one piece of the pie, that goes into a formula that considers everything on your application.

To the OP... it is commonly accepted that CC are not as competitive as universities. However, it is my belief that most schools will not hold taking CC classes against you, if you are competitive otherwise. If you have a 3.7+ and a 19+ DAT, you will get in somewhere, regardless if you attended a CC. The DAT is the great equalizer and puts us all on a level playing field.

There are stories every year of CC students that get into d-school and Ivy students who don't, and vice versa. The common denominator of both groups is their GPA/DAT. Good ones make it, bad ones don't.
 
I'm not saying kitty thinks that applies everywhere, I'm saying kitty is wrong/lying about it applying anywhere at all
 
I guess you can say that "in general" CC courses are definitely easier than university courses. I have also taken both university and CC courses and believe it or not some of my university courses are actually easier due to humongous curves.

You're contradicting yourself... Humongous curves are almost always observed in difficult courses not easy ones. Easy courses rarely curve anything because they don't need to.
 
I'm not saying kitty thinks that applies everywhere, I'm saying kitty is wrong/lying about it applying anywhere at all

How ADCOMs make their decision is anyone's guess and generally those secrets are kept under lock and key of the institution.

Is she lying about it, maybe, but who are we to question her integrity and experience? Is it possible that one ADCOM member, of one d-school, mentioned one way they analyze an applicant? I say yes. Much crazier claims have been made on SDN, then schools utilizing a formula to judge applicants on. It could be one of many formulas that institution uses.

I personally know 4 members of an admissions committee of a school in my state and they have all each told me different things/ways they evaluate an applicant on. If one of them used a formula as they were looking through apps, it wouldn't surprise me in the least. My point is, that it is so individualized, fragmented, and unknown how ADCOMs judge applicants, there is no reason not to believe her.
 
This is going to be long...

I think some of you missed the part about the GPA adjustment example being a part of an overall formula. Of course, to our conditioned minds a 4.0 dumping to a 2.whatever is ridiculous. In the past, I know some schools used rigid mathematical equations for their applicants, similar to the UNLV one they still use. I think it's stupid. Depending on how schools choose to do it, there were aggressive factors like this. If a local scoring system is/was used, GPA is just a number. It's just data. They don't have to treat a 4.0 as a 4.0 at that point. Another example, ranking based on a total score of 0 to 100 based on 10 criteria each worth 10 points. Where a 2.99 would get 0 points, (3.0 - 3.09) gets 1 point, 3.1 - 3.19 gets 2 points, and on. It's their system, so whatever. Maybe they use gold star stickers on a poster board and whoever has the most stars gains acceptance. Sometimes it feels like someone is just throwing darts at a list of names in those adcom meetings.

Another potential option is the College Factor. Assign a level to individual or groups of schools and either apply a multiplying factor to GPAs of certain levels (e.g., multiple group 2 schools by .98 and group 1 schools by 1.02), or even add a specified number to certain levels (e.g., add .15 to all group 1 schools). If a specific school's admissions department flat out decides that CCs are easy, they could easily reduce all of them before reviewing applications. And all we could do is whine about it.

Sounds complex. That's why it's built into the software for them to use if they choose. If they want to use this scoring system or college factor stuff, they click some boxes and drop-down menus and go to town and tweak it how they want. Who uses these local scoring systems any more? I don't know. I'd like to think they're all going to the web portal and not using the stand-alone client with all the complex features anyway. My opinion is that schools are going away from this formula business as well as the CC comparison. You will always find the snobby admissions guy who will take the CC vs university argument to the grave. Tough luck. I think if anything, some schools are familiar with common 'trouble' or 'hard' schools by now. Maybe they get a good 80-100 applications a year from Big Dong University down the street and they know they inflate grades and that admitted students in the past performed poorly. All that takes is a glance at the application and a mental note, not a formula. But overall, I think there's a transition in admissions and dental education in general. If you dig deep enough online, you can find presentations and training material from conferences or from schools that talk about these things. How they all want to be more holistic in their admissions. I'm sure some of it is just lip service. Maybe not. That's where this cover sheet came into play. That was new last cycle. In one survey, 78% of of responding schools report they stopped the CC comparison thing and look more at overall performance rather than the school the applicants attended as they go to a more holistic admissions process. 95.5% said they have no conclusive evidence that students with CC credits perform differently, although 90% perceive CC courses as less vigorous.

If you have to do CC, don't suck it up. Take upper-divisions after to prove ability and don't suck up your sciences sections on DAT. Formula or not, the overall perception is that CC isn't as difficult and that GPAs are pretty much always inflated at the CC level (a comment from the same survey).
 
You said it. 4.0 times .6 is 2.4. Therefore you said that a particular dental school would view a tier 1 with a 2.5 as preferable to a 4.0 at a community college. I said that was BS and I stand by that statement
Reading comprehension isn't your forte? I said the GPA x 0.8 or 0.6 etc is PART OF a formula that this particular dental school uses.

I know this because my advisor served on this particular dental school's admissions committee several years ago. I asked whether I should continue at my current institution (tier 2) or a tier 1 institution for graduate work, as I was accepted at both, prior to applying to dental school. And that's why I was shown a small part of how an applicant is gauged at dental school admissions.

This is purely anecdotal. But I will say this again - every dental school calculates the "acceptability" of an applicant differently. And GPA is one of those things that dental schools look at rather differently in their own respective formulas.
 
I know this because my advisor served on this particular dental school's admissions committee several years ago. I asked whether I should continue at my current institution (tier 2) or a tier 1 institution for graduate work, as I was accepted at both, prior to applying to dental school. And that's why I was shown a small part of how an applicant is gauged at dental school admissions.

Which shows that an adcom can be as nonsensical as any predent on SDN.
 
I didn't mean to cause a big argument....

I transferred to a tier 1 uni(top 50) and will graduate with a similar GPA with a science degree so I think I'll be fine. Thanks for the
Insight everyone including kitty. I did not mean to call you out😅
 
The problem in this question is whether or not it is easier to get an A at one school over another. There definitely is a difference. No one here can tell how much of a difference in difficulty exists between each class, between semesters, between professors, and between schools. Luckily none of this matters!

Don't approach undergrad like this. Forget arbitrary letter grades. Aim for mastery and self-actualization, regardless of whether you're at a community college or at Harvard. Good grades will follow. Because your being at a community college does not put a cap on what you can learn, you can learn just as much as a Harvard student. This is especially true in the sciences in this day and age. Do we not use the same textbooks? Is the internet any different at Harvard? I like to think that schools are betting on you and not on what U.S. News has to say about your school.

It is a fallacy to assume that an A indicates mastery. A's are loaded with different expectations; mastery is not. If you strived for mastery, which may very well exceed the minimum effort for an A at a community college, your having gone to a community college will not prevent you from consideration because you will likely do well on the DAT.

I still tell people to be on the safe side and attend a university over a community college. I don't want them to pull a "wcombs" 😀 ("wcombs" attended a community college, had exceptional stats with the exception of a single year, and recently got in). If they're paying for school, are deciding between an affordable established state school and an expensive Ivy league, and intend on going to dental school, I tell them to go to the state school.

Strip away the academic history and try to imagine and compare students for who they really are.

http://www.jdentaled.org/content/69/11/1222.long
 
exactly why a standardized test (DAT) exists....
 
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