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[Old Timer]

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The Cobalt and the Cavalier and not even distantly related.....

Jesus Christ, I looked them up, you're totally right. Who the eff would pay $12k for a two year old Cobalt?

I'm about to buy a 2008 Mercury Sable Premier for $14k...leather...power everything...comes with a decent 263HP engine with 6 speed auto transmission...really nice car...and for 2k less all you get is a piece of **** ancestor of the Chevy Cavalier?

I thought they were like $5-6k...damn, I'm out of touch with the econo-class automotive segment.

 

[WVUPharm2007]

Agreed.

...still waiting for that **** to trickle. According to this graph, unemployment should be miniscule. This graph stop sin 2007...but last year the effective tax rate for the upper 1% was the lowest yet. That effing socialist Obama! Obama is just George Bush with stupid young liberals brainwashed into thinking he can do no wrong and is a champion of the people.

 

[WVUPharm2007]

Keep the straw men coming. (btw I am not a Rand worshiper)

That doesn't make the woman any less of a dummy.

 

[genesis09]

The Cavalier was the Cobalt's predecessor as the Chevy's compact. The Cobalt was just discontinued in favor of the Cruze.

 

[Old Timer]

The Cavalier was the Cobalt's predecessor as the Chevy's compact. The Cobalt was just discontinued in favor of the Cruze.

That makes them as related as the Cruz and the Volt. Both made by Chevrolet. That and they all begin with the letter C. They are completely different cars made on different body.

 

[WVUPharm2007]

That makes them as related as the Cruz and the Volt. Both made by Chevrolet. That and they all begin with the letter C. They are completely different cars made on different body.

Nah.

The Cobalt is the replacement in their lineup for the previous econocar. That being the Cavalier.

The Volt is a first-in-market electric car with a rather nice look and high end interior. Multiple LCD screens, standard remote start, standard power everything, etc, etc.

How about this...the Cobalt is the spiritual successor to the Cavalier.

 

[Old Timer]

How about this...the Cobalt is the spiritual successor to the Cavalier.

This is correct. Otherwise, they are not close to the same car. I know, I own one of each.... The Cavalier sucks compared to the Cobalt. The Cavalier was the last of the "old crappy" AMerican cars. The Cobalt is better designed and engineered. It's get's better mileage. It's put together better.

 

[Ackj]

The Volt is a first-in-market electric car with a rather nice look and high end interior. Multiple LCD screens, standard remote start, standard power everything, etc, etc.

This just seems inane. I'd rather have my electric car's electricity spent on driving than LCDs and other options. I mean, you can only drive the thing 35-50 miles on electric power anyway, why waste more juice?

 

[confettiflyer]

This just seems inane. I'd rather have my electric car's electricity spent on driving than LCDs and other options. I mean, you can only drive the thing 35-50 miles on electric power anyway, why waste more juice?

I believe the Volt has the extended-range option w/ gasoline as a fuel. Besides, the amount of juice spent on a little LCD is miniscule, you can probably turn it off if it makes you feel better.

Volt is too $$ for me, I can't justify an extra $10k+ for the gas-option vs. the Nissan Leaf.

hell i might be unemployed per the ASHP president, so I might just have to stick to my old ass reliable honda for a while.

 

[Old Timer]

The Volt is a concept car right now. But if you have a garage, it's a cheapskate's dream to operate. You can get about 90mpg around town. The interesting thing is the car is totally electric. The gas engine charges the battery, it does not run the car. The car runs on electric all the time.

 

[Ackj]

The Volt is a concept car right now. But if you have a garage, it's a cheapskate's dream to operate. You can get about 90mpg around town. The interesting thing is the car is totally electric. The gas engine charges the battery, it does not run the car. The car runs on electric all the time.

Yeah, it's definitely a cool concept, but at this point in time I don't see it being much more than that. If you live in a small town and don't make any big trips, insane savings. Downside is that for longer trips, after that first 30ish miles of pure electric 90mpg, the gas is running and you're getting 30-35mpg, which is typical for many cars.

 

[Old Timer]

Yeah, it's definitely a cool concept, but at this point in time I don't see it being much more than that. If you live in a small town and don't make any big trips, insane savings. Downside is that for longer trips, after that first 30ish miles of pure electric 90mpg, the gas is running and you're getting 30-35mpg, which is typical for many cars.

But don't discount that first 25-50 miles. If you commute to work less than 10 miles each way, you almost never burn gas.

 

[WVUPharm2007]

But don't discount that first 25-50 miles. If you commute to work less than 10 miles each way, you almost never burn gas.

If that car started at $25k rather than $33k...oh, and if I had a garage...I'd consider getting one.

 

[confettiflyer]

The Volt is a concept car right now.

Oh I thought they were taking orders already? Maybe I'm thinking something else.

 

[Sparda29]

Oh I thought they were taking orders already? Maybe I'm thinking something else.

I saw one today rolling around town with a dealer license plate.

 

[genesis09]

They are selling Volts in select markets. The Volt is expensive because it is new technology.

 

[Ackj]

But don't discount that first 25-50 miles. If you commute to work less than 10 miles each way, you almost never burn gas.

I wonder how your electric bill is hit with one of these. I'm sure it's still a big savings compared to gas prices, but leaving something like this plugged in all night seems like it could draw quite a bit of juice.

Actually I just looked and see that it draws about 36 kWh per 100 miles. Looking at my most recent electric bill, I used less than 200 kWh in my apartment, so I guess this would be a pretty big shift. I have very inexpensive electric because my town has their own power, so I'm not even paying $20/month, but people in other areas might be hit hard with a big increase to their electric bill.

 

[Old Timer]

I wonder how your electric bill is hit with one of these. I'm sure it's still a big savings compared to gas prices, but leaving something like this plugged in all night seems like it could draw quite a bit of juice.

Actually I just looked and see that it draws about 36 kWh per 100 miles. Looking at my most recent electric bill, I used less than 200 kWh in my apartment, so I guess this would be a pretty big shift. I have very inexpensive electric because my town has their own power, so I'm not even paying $20/month, but people in other areas might be hit hard with a big increase to their electric bill.

Not really, the battery holds 16 kwh. It starts the gas engine at a little less than 5 kwh. So you will need to charge approx 12 kwh per 40 miles or 30 kwh per 100 miles. Depending on how much electricity is, now in PA it's about 12 cents per kwh, that would be $3.60 per 100 miles. If gas is $3.60 per gallon, it's the equivalent of 100 mpg.

 

[Praziquantel86]

I wonder how your electric bill is hit with one of these. I'm sure it's still a big savings compared to gas prices, but leaving something like this plugged in all night seems like it could draw quite a bit of juice.

Actually I just looked and see that it draws about 36 kWh per 100 miles. Looking at my most recent electric bill, I used less than 200 kWh in my apartment, so I guess this would be a pretty big shift. I have very inexpensive electric because my town has their own power, so I'm not even paying $20/month, but people in other areas might be hit hard with a big increase to their electric bill.

The building I live in has a free plugin station for electric cars and, from the looks of it, seems to be the type of thing that's going to be a "chain" of sorts. I'm sure there's some sort of a local/state/federal tax break associated with installing one of these.

 

[MOHS_01]

This is an assumption that is inconsistent with the data on the subject matter. Please listen to and read the following:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011...iday-podcast-do-the-rich-flee-high-tax-states

Goddess Rand said otherwise. What takes place in her works of fiction supersedes reality.

From just this month:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/09/us-cmegroup-leaving-idUSTRE7586OM20110609

A couple of years ago CA cited a sizable exodus of high income earners and companies from CA; NJ and NY have more recently made similar claims. To place this single piece of "research" above all others (and, granted, I do not know where those making the claims got their information from) smacks of confirmation bias to me. While it may not be true on the individual level (simply because individuals -- even the well paid -- don't always have that luxury of choice), it clearly is not true for corporations.... decisions that are often made by individuals who tire of having a flashing ATM sign shoved up their *****.

 

[MOHS_01]

You know, I read that stupid ass book once like 10 years ago.

I found it amusing that after that dork finished his boring ass 60 page monologue...his conclusion is that he doesn't want to work/live for anyone else, nor does he want anyone to work/live for him and his like-minded railroad building cronies.

Am I the only ****ing person in the world that realized that all of these people are owners/CEOs/whatever of giant, national corporations that have laborers who quite literally live/work to make them money?

It's like the rules of the universe is smacking them in the face and they think it doesn't apply to them because they are oblivious to even the most basic level of rationality.

Some call it sociopathy. Well, I do, anyway.

I honestly thought that the book was satire the first time I read it. I thought it was like "A Modest Proposal" or something. More of a "Oh, I get it. Ha. Clever book." Like the first time I heard the president say "You can't fight in here, this is the war room!" in Dr. Strangelove.

Then a few years ago, I learned that there are actually some idiots that take this sociopathic bull**** seriously. At first I laughed. Then I thought about it for a second and I cried. This dumb bitch's idiotic philosophy doesn't stand up to like 3 seconds worth of intellectual scrutiny. Really, anything that pigeonholes itself into such a black and white reality is doomed to ridicule by people with a more sophisticated grasp on the reality of the world...I 'spose.

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And speaking of the rich people. Who gives a **** if they left. The rich people nowadays are just owners of capital and money manipulators like hedge fund leeches. It's not like they actually do anything worthwhile like physically design and build railroads against the evil, wonderfully black-and-white government strawmen of Ayn Randian fame.

Honestly, if we just killed the top 400 people and took their money for redistributative purposes, not only would we be rid of a bunch of leeches, but we'd be out of the recession almost instantly due to the increase in aggregate consumer demand, increased personal savings, and decreased personal debt. Hell, the top 400 families have more capital wealth than 50% of all families. **** those guys.

That would be my personal platform if I ran for president. "Take the money of the ridiculously rich." I probably wouldn't win and be labeled a socialist or something.

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And, seriously...wtf is the big deal with poor people having a ****ty old ass car? Transportation is pretty much a requirement for 21st century living. Unless you think they should spend $20 for a taxi anytime they need to travel more than a 1/2 mile for groceries or other requirements for living. 🙄

Also, I think "most" people on welfare are the rural poor...I think, anyway...someone look that **** up...

You need help.

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