Is Pharmacy Dying?

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once i found out she slept with billy bob thornton, that killed her attraction to me lol
 
rxlea said:
I might be the only lesbian alive that thinks angelina jolie is nothin' special.
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I think it's the attitude and the eyes. Of course, the attitude on screen is coached, but I try not to remind myself of that while I'm watching. The lips are actually a turn-off for me. I think Renee Zellweger is kind of cute, but the lips kill it for me there too.
 
xtsukiyox said:
I think it's the attitude and the eyes. Of course, the attitude on screen is coached, but I try not to remind myself of that while I'm watching. The lips are actually a turn-off for me. I think Renee Zellweger is kind of cute, but the lips kill it for me there too.
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I am not into the lips.... I feel the same about Renee Zellweger. Ditto on Scarlett Johannsen.
 
xtsukiyox said:
I think it's the attitude and the eyes. Of course, the attitude on screen is coached, but I try not to remind myself of that while I'm watching. The lips are actually a turn-off for me. I think Renee Zellweger is kind of cute, but the lips kill it for me there too.
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👍
 
matt48 said:
Apparently your research is out of date regarding residency requirement on Amcare. Just because you've been around doesnt mean you have the most uptodate information.

How long have I worked in the pharmacy is irrelevant to the matter being discussed. If you think Amcare doesn't require a residency, be my guest. I'm done arguing.

For those who want to go into Amcare, please quote the above poster comment if the Amcare site rejects your application because he/she said my residency requirement for Amcare is BS.

To the original poster, since you are still in high school, you can either follow my advice and take into account how competitive pharmacy is by the time you graduate pharmacy school (8-10 years from now) or you can follow the rxlea belief based on today job market. It doesn't take a genius to figure out if pharmacy is getting more competitive or not in a decade from now.
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Wow, give it up already. I agree with rxlea... and I've actually done 2 yrs of pharmacy and about to start dentistry.

PharmD is an entry level phD... it's just 4 yrs + 1 pre-req. Dentistry generally requires at LEAST 3 yrs of pre-reqs, and most schools require a degree, and the DMD/DDS program is an additional 4 years... so that's 8 withOUT specialization. Hospital Rph are like dentists or doctors doing specialization... so that's an additional 2-6 years depending on what you want to specialize (OMFS takes 4-6 yrs).

So no, any way you look at it, getting a pharmD does not take the same amount of time as a DMD/DDS/MD/DO
 
xtsukiyox said:
OK, and how does that relate to Angelina Jolie? Unless you're comparing rxlea to her, in which case you may want to pick a different actress with less lip mass.
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:meanie:

Now a PharmD Jolie....I think she might look pretty good in a white coat.
 
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OChemTA said:
Wow, give it up already. I agree with rxlea... and I've actually done 2 yrs of pharmacy and about to start dentistry.

PharmD is an entry level phD... it's just 4 yrs + 1 pre-req. Dentistry generally requires at LEAST 3 yrs of pre-reqs, and most schools require a degree, and the DMD/DDS program is an additional 4 years... so that's 8 withOUT specialization. Hospital Rph are like dentists or doctors doing specialization... so that's an additional 2-6 years depending on what you want to specialize (OMFS takes 4-6 yrs).

So no, any way you look at it, getting a pharmD does not take the same amount of time as a DMD/DDS/MD/DO
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Cool I went from dental school to pharmacy school. We are just the opposite.

Medical school takes the longest b/c it's 4 years of undergrad, 4 years of medical school and 3 years of residency at least. If you want to become a surgeon it will be even MORE.

Dental school is 4 years of undergrad and 4 years of dental school and MORE if you want to specialize.

Pharmacy school is the shortest bc it is usually just 2 years of pre-pharmacy classes and 3 or 4 years of pharmacy school. Some pharmacy schools are just 3 years long so it will be even faster if you go that route. Pharmacy school can be finished in 5 years (2+3 UoP) if you would like. Versus medical school will take at least 11 years including residency.

Plus doctors and dentists have jobs involving blood and touching patients. who in the right mind want that nasty job? lol...
 
xtsukiyox said:
Yes, but it does get you the ability to inject collagen into Renee Zellweger's lips. And who doesn't want to touch a celebrity?

Oh wait, might as well be a massage therapist.
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:laugh:
 
xtsukiyox said:
Yes, but it does get you the ability to inject collagen into Renee Zellweger's lips. And who doesn't want to touch a celebrity?

Oh wait, might as well be a massage therapist.
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I would be very cautious right now. I am a 4th year student, and I worry that I will have a hard time finding a job now. Things are tough - lots of new schools/graduates, lots of people brought in on H1-B visas over the past decade, bad economy, older pharmacists not retiring, etc.

I know of two people who have completed a residency and don't have a job. That worries me because residencies were being touted as the solution to job woes :scared:
 
CaptainPicard said:
I would be very cautious right now. I am a 4th year student, and I worry that I will have a hard time finding a job now. Things are tough - lots of new schools/graduates, lots of people brought in on H1-B visas over the past decade, bad economy, older pharmacists not retiring, etc.

I know of two people who have completed a residency and don't have a job. That worries me because residencies were being touted as the solution to job woes :scared:
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So you should only do a residency if you're very interested in the program, huh? It doesn't seem like it's just something to do to improve your chances for a job. What do you think?
 
owlegrad said:
lol

rxlea is correct based on everything I have seen - residency is preferred but not yet required. No one knows what it will look like 10 years from now - do you think people in 2001 knew what it would look like today? Of course not.

Pharmacy is not dying.

/thread please
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you are a student and not in the working world.


REAL LIFE PHARMACIST here, pharmacy job market is TERRIBLE. i know pharmacists wtih 5+ yrs experience and NO JOB. guy was unemployed for 10 months. begging to work for free to keep his skills up and not have anymore of a big hole in his resume.

i dont know. make sure you want to do pharmacy. the market is worse than people indicate on studentdoctor. most people dont come on this site that are pharmacists because...... THEY ARE NOT STUDENTS.

reality check people.... when you rely on being hired by other people, you put yourself at risk for work.
 
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PharmaTope said:
reality check people.... when you rely on being hired by other people, you put yourself at risk for work.
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Way to be a condescending poster.

Are you advocating that people go into business for themselves when the economy has tanked and it's next to impossible to get financing?

Yet another sheltered poster who has no experience in the real world outside of their bubble. If you had real world experience prior to attending school, you would know that MOST fields are having the same issues.
 
chemguy79 said:
Way to be a condescending poster.

Are you advocating that people go into business for themselves when the economy has tanked and it's next to impossible to get financing?

Yet another sheltered poster who has no experience in the real world outside of their bubble. If you had real world experience prior to attending school, you would know that MOST fields are having the same issues.
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lol way to make an assumption. most fields do have these issues, MOST APPLICANTS think pharm = $$$ train.

dont expect 100k salaries if you go and come out. if anything salaries will drop when they got an infinite list of graduates with 100-200k loans begging for jobs. why hire one for 100k when you can get two for 50k each? just saying and be realistic.

also, retail pharm is being centralized a lot. the whole "pharmaceutical care" idea you hear in school is not much of a reality. it is ran as a corporation/business. get some real pharm experience out there before even considering applying.
 
PharmaTope said:
you are a student and not in the working world.

REAL LIFE PHARMACIST here, pharmacy job market is TERRIBLE. i know pharmacists wtih 5+ yrs experience and NO JOB. guy was unemployed for 10 months. begging to work for free to keep his skills up and not have anymore of a big hole in his resume.

i dont know. make sure you want to do pharmacy. the market is worse than people indicate on studentdoctor. most people dont come on this site that are pharmacists because...... THEY ARE NOT STUDENTS.

reality check people.... when you rely on being hired by other people, you put yourself at risk for work.
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Way to scare people right here haha. My class of 2009 is 100% employed. Some have switched jobs multiple times. One of my close friends is class of 2011 from a school that is not very much respected on here. Guess what? He doesn't know anybody from his class that can't get a job. There are many stories like the poster mentioned above, but it's very very rare. For the classes that just graduated, yes there will be some that can't find a job....but it's not because there are no jobs in the state for them. It's mainly because of various factors, such as location limitations, higher expecations, networking failures, bad interviewing, etc that lessen the candidate's chances.

Another thing I want to point out is this. In a class of 100, there may be 5-10 that don't have a job right now. We don't hear from the ones that already have the job, so it just doesn't seem like 90-95% already have jobs. Last year, only around 68% of law grads found jobs that are related to being a lawyer, but this was their worst year by far. The year before, 88% or so found jobs requiring a JD. We all know how bad law school has been in terms of saturation...and pharmacy is in NO way even half as bad. If they can get 88% of people jobs the prior year, we can get at least 90-95% employed...and that's a safe estimate for the next few years.
 
Got Em said:
Way to scare people right here haha. My class of 2009 is 100% employed. Some have switched jobs multiple times. One of my close friends is class of 2011 from a school that is not very much respected on here. Guess what? He doesn't know anybody from his class that can't get a job. There are many stories like the poster mentioned above, but it's very very rare. For the classes that just graduated, yes there will be some that can't find a job....but it's not because there are no jobs in the state for them. It's mainly because of various factors, such as location limitations, higher expecations, networking failures, bad interviewing, etc that lessen the candidate's chances.

Another thing I want to point out is this. In a class of 100, there may be 5-10 that don't have a job right now. We don't hear from the ones that already have the job, so it just doesn't seem like 90-95% already have jobs. Last year, only around 68% of law grads found jobs that are related to being a lawyer, but this was their worst year by far. The year before, 88% or so found jobs requiring a JD. We all know how bad law school has been in terms of saturation...and pharmacy is in NO way even half as bad. If they can get 88% of people jobs the prior year, we can get at least 90-95% employed...and that's a safe estimate for the next few years.
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I really feel bad for my friends that are trying to get into law school. The market is horrible. It makes me feel a lot better about this pharmacy saturation that everyone keeps talking about.
 
gotgame740 said:
I really feel bad for my friends that are trying to get into law school. The market is horrible. It makes me feel a lot better about this pharmacy saturation that everyone keeps talking about.
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Law school goes by tiers, and even within the top tier the ranking matters quite a bit. You can bet that there will be 100% employment for the top 10, and that number is pretty much so with the top 20-30 schools...but then again networking trumps all.
 
rxlea said:
Seriously, I am craving a french silk pie.
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Dangit, now I want a french silk pie too.

You know, I wish Renee Zellweger hadn't done that Stand Up To Cancer commercial that Hulu's airing. I keep wondering if she's trying to say something about the cause or results of her lips there... The commercial's darn annoying, unstable logic-wise, and... frickin' catchy. Dammit. Now I'm humming the stupid song.

Those "get sea turtles off the hook" chicks are annoying too.
 
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xtsukiyox said:
Dangit, now I want a french silk pie too.

You know, I wish Renee Zellweger hadn't done that Stand Up To Cancer commercial that Hulu's airing. I keep wondering if she's trying to say something about the cause or results of her lips there... The commercial's darn annoying, unstable logic-wise, and... frickin' catchy. Dammit. Now I'm humming the stupid song.

Those "get sea turtles off the hook" chicks are annoying too.
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At least you're not hearing the "I'm going to the pooootty potty" song in your head. i I heard it when I visited my friend in Flagstaff. Her son listens to it 5 times a day 🙂 It just STICKS!

:laugh:
 
UNMorBUST said:
LIES!!!! http://www.lawschooltransparency.com/clearinghouse/
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Don't know if you're being serious or not...but it a pretty clear picture. Univ. of Texas is top 15 ish and has 92.8% employed at 9 months. While this number may say that 7 out of 100 did not have a job, this can be due to a mulitude of causes, such as having kids/family issues, not able to relocate, choosing a different career, or going to another form of schooling, etc. Harvard on the other hand is at 97.5%...and you can't tell me that 2.5% just absolutely can't find a job. Anyway, maybe I should have said that the "possibility" of finding a job would be close to 100%, since you'll never get 100%.
 
Got Em said:
Don't know if you're being serious or not...but it a pretty clear picture. Univ. of Texas is top 15 ish and has 92.8% employed at 9 months. While this number may say that 7 out of 100 did not have a job, this can be due to a mulitude of causes, such as having kids/family issues, not able to relocate, choosing a different career, or going to another form of schooling, etc. Harvard on the other hand is at 97.5%...and you can't tell me that 2.5% just absolutely can't find a job. Anyway, maybe I should have said that the "possibility" of finding a job would be close to 100%, since you'll never get 100%.
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Fantastic diversion guys. I thought this was the botox lips thread, but prelaw works too. 👍 Gotta roll with it.
 
Got Em said:
Don't know if you're being serious or not...but it a pretty clear picture. Univ. of Texas is top 15 ish and has 92.8% employed at 9 months. While this number may say that 7 out of 100 did not have a job, this can be due to a mulitude of causes, such as having kids/family issues, not able to relocate, choosing a different career, or going to another form of schooling, etc. Harvard on the other hand is at 97.5%...and you can't tell me that 2.5% just absolutely can't find a job. Anyway, maybe I should have said that the "possibility" of finding a job would be close to 100%, since you'll never get 100%.
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What the website is made for is tranparency with the actual statistics of employment from law schools. Most schools fudge numbers when it comes to employment. Law employment is nowhere as certain as it once was. Even top 10 schools are having problems placing a good portion of students. It has even gone as far as students sueing schools for misleading statistics.
Granted this is from just another internet forum, but this explains what goes into those 9 month statistics:
-law schools count graduates working at jobs that do not require a JD as "employed" (i.e. dude flipping burgers at Burger King = "employed")
-law schools count graduates working at part-time jobs as "employed"
-law schools count graduates working in temporary positions (i.e. doing doc review on an hourly basis in sweatshop like conditions) as "employed"
-law schools count graduates working for them in temporary positions that will only last until the 9-month after graduation mark as "employed." Law schools hire their own graduates for these 9-month long "research assistant" jobs solely to cook their employment statistics for US News purposes.
-law schools do not count graduates that don't respond to their surveys as "unemployed." They simply don't factor those graduates into their employment statistics
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http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=164543

And yes, top law schools play this game also. However, I would much rather go to Harvard then Texas Southern.
 
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Got Em said:
Way to scare people right here haha. My class of 2009 is 100% employed. Some have switched jobs multiple times. One of my close friends is class of 2011 from a school that is not very much respected on here. Guess what? He doesn't know anybody from his class that can't get a job. There are many stories like the poster mentioned above, but it's very very rare. For the classes that just graduated, yes there will be some that can't find a job....but it's not because there are no jobs in the state for them. It's mainly because of various factors, such as location limitations, higher expecations, networking failures, bad interviewing, etc that lessen the candidate's chances.

Another thing I want to point out is this. In a class of 100, there may be 5-10 that don't have a job right now. We don't hear from the ones that already have the job, so it just doesn't seem like 90-95% already have jobs. Last year, only around 68% of law grads found jobs that are related to being a lawyer, but this was their worst year by far. The year before, 88% or so found jobs requiring a JD. We all know how bad law school has been in terms of saturation...and pharmacy is in NO way even half as bad. If they can get 88% of people jobs the prior year, we can get at least 90-95% employed...and that's a safe estimate for the next few years.
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is this in a desirable location in the USA or not? i know a 2010 grad that JUST found work. i have former students calling begging for work.
those stats about the JD are irrelevant. 88% found a job requiring a JD..... a job can say "requires a JD" but pay 20-30k a year. that doesnt mean they are an associate. also, it could be just a small internship that barely pays anything
 
PharmaTope said:
is this in a desirable location in the USA or not? i know a 2010 grad that JUST found work. i have former students calling begging for work.
those stats about the JD are irrelevant. 88% found a job requiring a JD..... a job can say "requires a JD" but pay 20-30k a year. that doesnt mean they are an associate. also, it could be just a small internship that barely pays anything
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where in the NE are you?
 
Got Em said:
Way to scare people right here haha. My class of 2009 is 100% employed. Some have switched jobs multiple times. One of my close friends is class of 2011 from a school that is not very much respected on here. Guess what? He doesn't know anybody from his class that can't get a job. There are many stories like the poster mentioned above, but it's very very rare. For the classes that just graduated, yes there will be some that can't find a job....but it's not because there are no jobs in the state for them. It's mainly because of various factors, such as location limitations, higher expecations, networking failures, bad interviewing, etc that lessen the candidate's chances.

Another thing I want to point out is this. In a class of 100, there may be 5-10 that don't have a job right now. We don't hear from the ones that already have the job, so it just doesn't seem like 90-95% already have jobs. Last year, only around 68% of law grads found jobs that are related to being a lawyer, but this was their worst year by far. The year before, 88% or so found jobs requiring a JD. We all know how bad law school has been in terms of saturation...and pharmacy is in NO way even half as bad. If they can get 88% of people jobs the prior year, we can get at least 90-95% employed...and that's a safe estimate for the next few years.
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what part of the country are you in? PharmaTope and I graduated from the same school... the market where we were (NJ) was/is/will be extremely bad.
 
matt48 said:
You are putting words in my mouth. I said the chance of getting a hospital related job is slim to none if you don't have residency, not that residency is required for hospital related jobs. The only time I said residency is required is for Amcare. By the way, if you don't know this, maybe you should do more research before coming here posting inaccurate information?

As for networking, I didn't say anything about pharmacy not being a small world. There is a difference between making a good impression vs knowing someone personally to get you a job. I'm sure if the person doesnt make a good impression or be an ass, then that person shouldn't be applying for a job to begin with or he/she is too ******ed to know that his/her application would be rejected either way.

As for your claim of my underestimation of the power of networking, I beg to differ. I didn't deny how important networking is, however, at this level of education, I assume everyone who goes out on rotation should be smart enough to know that networking is necessary if you want to get a job later on. So, the real question is, how do you differentiate yourself from your peers, assuming everyone already knew how to network?

The only thing I can agree with you is to let the orignal poster know the accurate information, that is his chance of getting a hospital related job WITHOUT residency is slim compared to a candidate who has residency, not the other way around. This is even more true in 8-10 years from now, when the pharmacy field is even more competitive than it is today. Oh and before you start to jump in saying networking will help you get a job vs the candidate with residency, let me tell you this: the guy with residency knows how to network too. If you think otherwise, then perhaps I should stop wasting my time writing any further since it would be useless.
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I agree. Getting a job in amcare is nearly impossible without a residency these days
 
pharmd4me@510 said:
I agree. Getting a job in amcare is nearly impossible without a residency these days
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even with residency, how likely are you to even find a amcare job?

you are competing with more than this year's graduating class. you are competing with those with years of experience ahead of you.
 
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PharmaTope said:
even with residency, how likely are you to even find a amcare job?

you are competing with more than this year's graduating class. you are competing with those with years of experience ahead of you.
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Damn, did we switch back to pharmacy again? 🙁
 
PharmaTope said:
even with residency, how likely are you to even find a amcare job?

you are competing with more than this year's graduating class. you are competing with those with years of experience ahead of you.
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We just hired 2 am care pharmacists with PGY1s since June.
 
Got Em said:
Way to scare people right here haha. My class of 2009 is 100% employed. Some have switched jobs multiple times. One of my close friends is class of 2011 from a school that is not very much respected on here. Guess what? He doesn't know anybody from his class that can't get a job. There are many stories like the poster mentioned above, but it's very very rare. For the classes that just graduated, yes there will be some that can't find a job....but it's not because there are no jobs in the state for them. It's mainly because of various factors, such as location limitations, higher expecations, networking failures, bad interviewing, etc that lessen the candidate's chances.

Another thing I want to point out is this. In a class of 100, there may be 5-10 that don't have a job right now. We don't hear from the ones that already have the job, so it just doesn't seem like 90-95% already have jobs. Last year, only around 68% of law grads found jobs that are related to being a lawyer, but this was their worst year by far. The year before, 88% or so found jobs requiring a JD. We all know how bad law school has been in terms of saturation...and pharmacy is in NO way even half as bad. If they can get 88% of people jobs the prior year, we can get at least 90-95% employed...and that's a safe estimate for the next few years.
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Good save... 👍 So, would you advise new students to look into the field, or would you say if you're not already accepted into a program, forget it?
 
pharmacy is dying.....
why not look into physician assistant or health care admin?? they make good money.
 
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