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Could you elaborate?Super hard!
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there are areas outside of those cities that exist with ample things to do and a better cost of living. you'd probably be able to find a job in those places.
east and west coast Zoomers are convinced that no other region of the country exists.
Do you want to work hard to have no say about where you live and have a difficult time finding a job? Avoid Rad onc and possibly EM. Talk to the people looking for jobs, and realize its going to get worse every year as more people graduate.
EM??
It's not fear-mongering... My friend who is graduating next year is having a tough time getting anything going as far as job offers.Hey, M1 here interested in radiaiton oncology. I thought it was a super interesting field after seeing what rad oncs do when my grandpa got cancer. After doing some research into the field, I cam across a huge thread of someone on sdn who went on a tirade of why rad onc is going downhill. To any Radiation oncologists, is the job market in radiaton oncology really bad or is this just more of the same sdn/reddit fearmongering? Like are radiaiton oncology residents forced to go work out in the boonies somewhere after graduating or is it just that getting a good job in a big metro area like NYC/LA/Chicago is hard?
It's not fear-mongering... My friend who is graduating next year is having a tough time getting anything going as far as job offers.
He told me one person in his program jump off the ship after 1st year.
Hooolee crap, I hope you mean left the program, not committed suicide
Left the program and went into IM with the hope of doing Heme/OncHooolee crap, I hope you mean left the program, not committed suicide
At the end of the day, the $$$ and job security matter no matter what premeds and some med student say...crazy that this was one of the most competitive specialties a few years ago and now programs are going unfilled. such a shame, seems like a super cool field
Any actual rad onc residents/attending want to chime in, not people who have friends in the field?
Go to the rad-onc forum. That forum along with the pathology forum are the saddest forum in SDN... However, if radonc is the only specialty you can see yourself into, do NOT go there.Any actual rad onc residents/attending want to chime in, not people who have friends in the field?
From what I’ve heard in around 2010 they increased the number of residency spots by a lot and completely flooded the market.Is this because the field is saturated, or that technology/medical advances have made less useful in Oncology?
Any actual rad onc residents/attending want to chime in, not people who have friends in the field?
... You really needed someone to clarify this for you?Hooolee crap, I hope you mean left the program, not committed suicide
... You really needed someone to clarify this for you?
I'll admit, wasn't one of my finest moments, but my brain was running on empty at the time. But thanks for highlighting this, much appreciated
Feel free to proverbially roll over and die if you want to. You have options.@Neopolymath what's the alternative? Corporate medicine is the future.
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It's because the technology is available in big city academic centers (think proton therapy). The rule of thumb is to be at a top 3 program to ensure employment wherever you can imagine.Is this because the field is saturated, or that technology/medical advances have made less useful in Oncology?
there is no practice that isn't corporate in the us. Academia is as corporate as corporate, just focuses on different metrics but ultimately its the same economics. That doesnt mean we should tolerate a work environment that doesnt value us or makes us sacrifice patient care for some meaningless number on a yearly report, js.hope those old guys are rich af and happy that they screwed all the young guns. Hope it was worth it to work a little less hard for a little more money after already being quite well compensated.
Guys, for the love of God don't go into corporate practice and don't fall for this shortage of doctors BS that even med students keep saying just so some boomer jerk can make even more money
Uhhhhhhhhm? Are you referring to specifically this field or making some semantic distinction that all small democratic PP groups are structured as corporations or ???there is no practice that isn't corporate in the us. Academia is as corporate as corporate, just focuses on different metrics but ultimately its the same economics. That doesnt mean we should tolerate a work environment that doesnt value us or makes us sacrifice patient care for some meaningless number on a yearly report, js.
I also came into med school very interested in rad onc from prior experience. Very cool field. But will most likely be avoiding it even if the market is better *today* for top residency grads. There are just too many other options to do research in cancer biology and take care of cancer patients.
I am a Radiation Oncology faculty member at top 10 institution. I trained 30 years ago. I have a son who is M3. I have encouraged him NOT to pursue RadOnc. It is a great field but so many trends combining to make the job market poor. We have overtrained (Increased residency positions by nearly 100% in last 15 years) as reimbursement, indications are falling.Any actual rad onc residents/attending want to chime in, not people who have friends in the field?
That's what doubling spots in a small specialty will do to a fieldcrazy that this was one of the most competitive specialties a few years ago and now programs are going unfilled. such a shame, seems like a super cool field
Pedigree doesn't matter nearly as much for private practice, it's really a combination of luck in finding open positions in the areas your are looking for a job. Personality and connections far more important imo. In fact, networking has been proposed by many in our specialty to solve the tough job market. Unfortunately, they aren't sharp enough to figure out this won't actually increase the supply of jobs...It's because the technology is available in big city academic centers (think proton therapy). The rule of thumb is to be at a top 3 program to ensure employment wherever you can imagine.
Research is HUGE, so if you can do a concurrent PhD at a top institute and weasel your way in, this field is probably much more interested in # publications. This field is really cool and if you want to go for it, residency wise it's super nice. Just make sure to put you foot in the right doors to end up at the right location. It'll take a lot of sacrifice though. That being said, things change overnight so keep your eyes open and get on that publication train now!
Definitely can be a negative on the second..... Honestly the best places for PP imo are solid mid and upper mid tier programs that keep you clinically busy with a full spectrum of casesWith pedigree comes connection and personality
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DR has seen a big growth in imaging which should help demand.is there a similar trend happening for DR? NRMP shows high % match rate....and assuming this has been the case for 5+ years....wont that also lead to job saturation at some point given the rise in # grads?
is there a similar trend happening for DR? NRMP shows high % match rate....and assuming this has been the case for 5+ years....wont that also lead to job saturation at some point given the rise in # grads?
phew! that's a relief...Though there are a lot of programs (and not much relative interest in the field, which explains the match rate), DR hasn't expanded anywhere close to the rate of rad onc or EM. Plus the demand for imaging is exponential at this point, like medgator said.
New rad onc attending. I've been following the SDN for several years. We're definitely overtraining (attributed to weak national leadership) but I have yet to personally know of someone who hasn't landed somewhere they're happy with, though maybe not straight out of residency. Rad onc definitely has issues with national organizations, but there's good people coming up the ranks that are more motivated whereas the boomers are thinning out. I also think supply/demand is cyclical and it's impossible to prognosticate the future more than 5 years. I wouldn't go into rad onc unless you feel like it's right fit (do rotations in med onc, rad onc, maybe surgery), but if you feel like it's the right fit, it's a good time to go in since you won't have to compete with as many people who are going in for the $/lifestyle/competitiveness.
Ultimately, SDN skews to extremes and there's few "calming voices". So I would recommend supplementing by talking to residents in an informal setting. I would also try to talk to new attendings to ask them how the job process went. In general, reality is more moderate than SDN will portray.
High match rate is not equivalent to expansion of positions.is there a similar trend happening for DR? NRMP shows high % match rate....and assuming this has been the case for 5+ years....wont that also lead to job saturation at some point given the rise in # grads?
In what way?Rad onc is like interventional rads. Anyone who says differently is selling something.
The market is boomingIn what way?