Is scribing considered clinical experience by all schools?

[Sardinia]

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[RogueUnicorn]

I've never been a resident, but I assume he is referring to young residents whose first job is residency and the entitlement many of them presumably feel. I know that many millenials joining the military now have an extremely unfounded sense of entitlement, as if the Navy owes them a certain amount of time off or that they shouldn't be required to work too much or too hard.

I'm sure that exists in residency to an extent.

I'm also sure this existed in the 90s, the 80s, the 70s, and beyond, particularly in those days when doctors were basically the demigods of the hospital.

All jokes and rivalries aside, my colleagues across this country among all specialties are literally killing themselves working their asses off in an increasingly bureaucratic mess of a healthcare system, to provide the highest quality care to the good people of this nation. We do this for sub-minimum wage dollars, at the expense our health, our relationships, and rarely our lives; and to hear some person, who as far as I can gather has never been through medical school let alone one damn minute of residency, casually disparage an entire generation of residents and attendings without a shred of evidence or experience is physically revolting to me. When I consider that this same person is in a direct position of gatekeeping of my profession I feel like I'm about to blow an aneurysm.

BTW, if you were born in the 80s (which I'm guessing you were) you're a millennial too, just fyi.

 

[Sardinia]

@RogueUnicorn I don't think @Goro was specifically touching upon the demographic of medical students/residents/attendings you just brought up. He has touched upon this topic previously and from what I recall, he's talking more about the lowest common denominator of medical students who expect going into their first day of work as a resident is getting 9-5 banker hours.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

I'm also sure this existed in the 90s, the 80s, the 70s, and beyond, particularly in those days when doctors were basically the demigods of the hospital.

All jokes and rivalries aside, my colleagues across this country among all specialties are literally killing themselves working their asses off in an increasingly bureaucratic mess of a healthcare system, to provide the highest quality care to the good people of this nation. We do this for sub-minimum wage dollars, at the expense our health, our relationships, and rarely our lives; and to hear some person, who as far as I can gather has never been through medical school let alone one damn minute of residency, casually disparage an entire generation of residents and attendings without a shred of evidence or experience is physically revolting to me. When I consider that this same person is in a direct position of gatekeeping of my profession I feel like I'm about to blow an aneurysm.

BTW, if you were born in the 80s (which I'm guessing you were) you're a millennial too, just fyi.

I'm not sure how much of that was directed at me. I'm definitely a millennial, as I was born in the mid 80s. Also, I'm sure there are far more hardworking residents than lazy ones, just as I'm sure there have been lazy residents since residencies began. There is a nostalgic factor where people tend to remember only what they want to remember.

 

[Goro]

This is why I have RU on "ignore".

@RogueUnicorn I don't think @Goro was specifically touching upon the demographic of medical students/residents/attendings you just brought up. He has touched upon this topic previously and from what I recall, he's talking more about the lowest common denominator of medical students who expect going into their first day of work as a resident is getting 9-5 banker hours.

My post was definitely NOT directed at you!!!!!

I'm not sure how much of that was directed at me. I'm definitely a millennial, as I was born in the mid 80s. Also, I'm sure there are far more hardworking residents than lazy ones, just as I'm sure there have been lazy residents since residencies began. There is a nostalgic factor where people tend to remember only what they want to remember.

 

[RogueUnicorn]

@RogueUnicorn I don't think @Goro was specifically touching upon the demographic of medical students/residents/attendings you just brought up. He has touched upon this topic previously and from what I recall, he's talking more about the lowest common denominator of medical students who expect going into their first day of work as a resident is getting 9-5 banker hours.

The quoted statement leaves little in the way of wiggle room

I'm not sure how much of that was directed at me. I'm definitely a millennial, as I was born in the mid 80s. Also, I'm sure there are far more hardworking residents than lazy ones, just as I'm sure there have been lazy residents since residencies began. There is a nostalgic factor where people tend to remember only what they want to remember.

Literally none of it was directed at you prior to "BTW"

This is why I have RU on "ignore".

Probably because you find it hard to handle anything other than the adulation of the desperate premeds who have yet to realize their emperor has no clothes.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

The quoted statement leaves little in the way of wiggle room

Literally none of it was directed at you prior to "BTW"

Probably because you find it hard to handle anything other than the adulation of the desperate premeds who have yet to realize their emperor has no clothes.

I didn't think so. Just wanted to clarify in case.

 

[redrosesfi]

@Goro @LizzyM
Hello, I’ve read a few of the clinical experience threads on SDN. I wanted your take on my experience however. Here is a list of activities and I’m wondering if they all count as clinical experience: I’ve shadowed doctors. Worked with developmentally disabled in their own home and at a group home. I’ve also been a CNA for people in their home, so like home health care.

Would these all count as clinical experience? The developmentally disabled adults I worked with had cerebral palsy, etc where I had to give them meds, bathe, dress them, feed them through G tube, basically be a full-on caretaker for them.

 

[Goro]

I’ve shadowed doctors.
yes.

Worked with developmentally disabled in their own home and at a group home.
Yes, and an admirable one at that.

I’ve also been a CNA for people in their home, so like home health care.
Yes

Scribing is also clinical experience, but I consider it to be a glorified form of shadowing. It's a job, which is a good thing.

 

[LizzyM]

I’ve shadowed doctors.
yes.

Worked with developmentally disabled in their own home and at a group home.
Yes, and an admirable one at that.

I’ve also been a CNA for people in their home, so like home health care.
Yes

Scribing is also clinical experience, but I consider it to be a glorified form of shadowing. It's a job, which is a good thing.

I concur with Goro on #1 and #3 but I do think that providing custodial care in a group home is not clinical but it is admirable.

 

[Catalystik]

@Goro @LizzyM
I wanted your take on my experience however. Here is a list of activities and I’m wondering if they all count as clinical experience:
1) I’ve shadowed doctors.
2) Worked with developmentally disabled in their own home and at a group home. The developmentally disabled adults I worked with had cerebral palsy, etc where I had to give them meds, bathe, dress them, feed them through G tube, basically be a full-on caretaker for them.
3) I’ve also been a CNA for people in their home, so like home health care.

Would these all count as clinical experience?

1) I'd call shadowing a passive clinical experience.
2) Since you gave meds and managed a G-tube, I'd call it active clinical experience in part. Whether to tag it as such depends on % time engaged in those doctor-ordered activities.
3) Active clinical experience.

 

[LizzyM]

My one concern is that if adcom members see this as an applicant trying to "up-code" something non-clinical to make it appear clinical, the applicant will be dingged for that. I'd rather tag something "non-clinical" and let the adcom give an appliant credit for being modest in their description.

 

[Catalystik]

My one concern is that if adcom members see this as an applicant trying to "up-code" something non-clinical to make it appear clinical, the applicant will be dingged for that. I'd rather tag something "non-clinical" and let the adcom give an appliant credit for being modest in their description.

I agree, and suspect that this concern is relevant to @tarheel1234 's situation, knowing what a typical working day of someone acting as a "full-on caretaker" is like.