Is SGU January class easier then August Class

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I have a cousin applying to SGU, and i am helping him research prospective schools. I was wondering is it true that you have an edge applying to January class since the class tends to be a bit less competitive to get into, hence the curve of the class is lower, hence its easier to perform in the January class versus the August class. If someone can shed some light on how much easier it is for January class vs Aug class, also i heard that Jan class tests tend to be a bit easier and less cut throat.

Also some other stuff i wanted to know, how many people who started term one in august completed it, how many students dropped out or left due to any reason, what was the average gpa for first term, how many people "deceled" <---- i hear this is quite a problem at SGU. Any other HONEST UNBIASED information is fully appreciated esp from those who just completered first term.

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I just finished the basic sciences at SGU, and I have heard similar things about applying to January classes (I was an August starter). However, I highly doubt it is any easier once accepted, since the material is the same. It may be easier to get in for the January class, however, because the number of applicants tends to be smaller for January.

As far as deceling is concerned, there are quite a few people who do it, either because they are "asked" to by the time midterm grades roll around, or they feel they'll do better. The numbers vary from class-to-class, though. I think around 30 or so from my class did; we ended up with about 260 or something that finished the last two terms in St. Vincent. There is something around a 3% attrition rate I think (those who leave, usually within the first few weeks).

I had a very positive experience there. I had decent grades, very low MCAT's and I managed to do just fine there and scored a 208/85 on the USMLE this past July (not super high, but not too low, either) without taking any sort of review class (which the school pushes heavily). I feel I was well-prepared.

If I can answer any more questions related to SGU in particular, feel free to PM me.
 

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I agree with Brian. I too was an August starter and just finished 2nd year. If the Jan class is "easier" because of less competition it's probably barely noticeable during the school year. I have heard from quite a few proffessors that the Jan class is a little less neurotic and more easy going than the august class typically. However, either way SGU students are very friendly and always eager to help each other out. I felt there was a "team effort" type atmosphere. I really liked this aspect of the school. In terms of getting accepted yes the Jan class is probably easier. Most people apply for august therefore from numbers alone it will be more competitive.
 

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i am going to st vincents in a few days, and i started in january . . . in general the january classes seem to be a little less competitive to enter.

i don?t really know if you can quantify that very well though. the january class that just finished seemed to have a lot of problems. the classes each term are getting bigger, so the anatomy department has had to shift things around with respect to how they teach things and do exams, the result last term was that a lot of people suffered more than normal in biochem because they had to spend more time with anatomy. plenty of people did well, though.

i am a bit skeptical that the ?curve? is significantly harder or easier from term to term, besides that, biochem is the class that is really curved first term. as brian said, the material is the same from term to term, but the amount of people who ?decel? from to term to term does change. my class had an abnormally high amount of ?decels? (although something like 40 percent of decels do not graduate, it still allows people to learn what they need to, albiet with more time invested, to become a doctor.) we started at something like 280 and something like 80 or 90 deceled. there is a pet theory that they have to make things harder or easier from term to term to adjust the class size for st. vincent, i personally have not verified this though.

as far as all the gpa stuff goes and how many people drop out . . . from a students perspective it is rather hard to keep track of that because of the huge class sizes and the whole ?decel? factor. also, i personally have done well, so i have not really paid attention to the amount of people that fail one class to another, but i am pretty sure that plenty of people do fail stuff in first term and do decel, my best guess would be that anywhere from a quarter to a third of class fail something (most likely biochem or anatomy) or decel.


imho, first term can get just about anybody in trouble, but if one is focused, and can get accepted, then i really don?t see any reason why they should not be able to get by first term and do well in the next few years.

as far as the whole cut throat thing goes, there are definitely plenty of gunners in every class, but that shouldn?t discourage anybody. in my class there are plenty of not-so-nice people and plenty of folks that are friendly and willing to help out too, i think that it balances out. more than anything, it is a really stressful time, especially when people first get there and around test time, so that tends to make people a bit more edgy, but i haven?t really seen any outright misconduct from one student to another. the campus and island is rather small though, so there is plenty of drama . . . asi es la vida.

i have had some tough time there, but overall, i would say that it has been a good experience. and more than that, it has offered me and all the rest of us that are there an opportunity to be doctors, one that most of us would not have had anywhere else. i have really grown as a person as well.

from personal experience, i would try and get into a us medschool, unless that is really unlikely (most folks are down in the caribbean because of the mcat). i applied two years to us medschool and got interviews and was waitlisted a bunch and was frustrated, so i didn?t apply a third time.

looking back at it, i wish i would have, because there are some uncertainties when one graduates from a caribbean school. BUT, sgu has more than a good rep and ability to place its graduates in good residency postions, so if the carib is your only option, then go for it. there are plenty of carib grads doing great things in the us.

just make sure that you really look at all your options and get as much information on each possibility.best of luck and feel free to ask more questions.
 

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Well said, jdub. Best of luck for the rest of your time in the Caribbean!
 

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Thanks for all the nice postings in this thread. I applied for us med schools two years ago, and didn't get in because of my VR in the MCAt; sad. And I've even given up on med school, instead thought of dental, or optometry. But somehow, those options just doesn't seem very fulfilling. How hard is it to do a filling? Or prescribe glasses. I even score above 90 percentile on the DAT and the OAT.

I met this person the other day who goes to Ross, and strongly recommended me to the program. However, there just seems to be so much uncertainties.
 

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jk5177 said:
Thanks for all the nice postings in this thread. I applied for us med schools two years ago, and didn't get in because of my VR in the MCAt; sad. And I've even given up on med school, instead thought of dental, or optometry. But somehow, those options just doesn't seem very fulfilling. How hard is it to do a filling? Or prescribe glasses. I even score above 90 percentile on the DAT and the OAT.

I met this person the other day who goes to Ross, and strongly recommended me to the program. However, there just seems to be so much uncertainties.

I have a friend (a fellow third year from SGU) who had a similar problem: low VR on the MCAT (otherwise a very good score), so his home state school wouldn't let him in. Consequently, he came to SGU and did very well.

Don't give up just because you didn't get in to a US school; you'll be surprised to find out just how many MD's there are walking around who graduated from someplace outside the US (and not just Caribbean schools, either). Besides, the reason we all went to the Caribbean was because we got rejected from the US schools too! Now that we've passed Step 1, we can say this to them: **insert middle finger here** ;)
 

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What do you guys mean by Decel? Do you mean that if someone fails a class or does poorly in it they are put in a special program?? I am going to start SGU in January and wanted to know so that i don't decel.

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RJ
 

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RussianJoo said:
What do you guys mean by Decel? Do you mean that if someone fails a class or does poorly in it they are put in a special program?? I am going to start SGU in January and wanted to know so that i don't decel.

Thanks

RJ
To "decel" basically means to spread out the first two terms; you end up spending an extra 6 months in Grenada (instead of 4 classes in first term, you do 2). You are put into a decel program in one of the following 3 ways:

1. The school puts you there automatically (called the "alternate" program), usually for older students who have been working for awhile, or sometimes those with low MCAT's or lower GPA's. It's sort of random: there were people with higher MCAT's than me who were put in the alternate program, while I was in the "regular" program.

2. The Dean's office "forces" you to decel after midterms if you aren't doing well.

3. You choose to decel. Many students get freaked out at midterm time, and decide they want more time to study.

Personally, I would try to avoid it if at all possible. Grenada is nice, but after two terms, you're pretty much ready for something else. Besides, you'll have to get more financial aid, too.
 
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