Is the road to becoming a doctor really that hard

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Hi, i am currently a pre-med student and i do want to be a doctor. But sometimes when i see the road ahead, i get discouraged and think that maybe i should be something else. First, there is that extremely hard med schools that u have to get into, then if u go over that obstacle, u have to go through residency and sub-residancy, that's like 11-14 yrs of studying. I mean i love the concept of putting medicine of someone's wounds but i have heard and seen how much u have to devote ur life to it if u wanna be successful at becoming a doctor and honestly, i don't see myself having any time for fun in those yrs cuz u gotta study so much and i really don't want to spend those prime yrs of my life getting lost in books and worrying abt getting A's. So i guess wat my question is that is becoming a doctor really as hard as people make it to be? Is that saying true that med school students have no social life???

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tikiman said:
So i guess wat my question is that is becoming a doctor really as hard as people make it to be? Is that saying true that med school students have no social life???

yes for #1, no for #2 (med students party a LOT after their block exams, often to bacchanalian excess).

the road is long and hard. if you want to heal someone's wounds, just become a nurse practitioner or physician assistant... or nurse anesthetist.
 
it is long and hard...but it can also be really fun...and med students do have lives *so i've heard*. only you can answer the question of whether it's worth as much time, money, effort, and whatever else you end up sacrificing to do it. shadow a doctor...more importantly, talk to doctors and see what they have to say about it being worth it or not. learning about medicine is key before deciding to just go for it.

good luck! you've got plenty of time to decide...don't worry! :luck:
 
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anon-y-mouse said:
yes for #1, no for #2 (med students party a LOT after their block exams, often to bacchanalian excess).

the road is long and hard. if you want to heal someone's wounds, just become a nurse practitioner or physician assistant... or nurse anesthetist.


no, i want to be a doctor cuz its the best i can do! ... Also, along with helping people, my goal is to earn a lot of money while doing something that i feel passionate abt and doctors earn the most out of the choice that u gave me. ... (i also intend to open one a free clinic like 20 or 30 yrs after practiciing medicine so that i have enough money saved up for a small free clinic) which is my ultimate goal on this hard path! but thx for that party info, that helped 🙂
 
tikiman said:
no, i want to be a doctor cuz its the best i can do! ... there is NO way that i am gonna be someone's assistant, that in my eyes in no way as honorable as becoming a doctor! Also, along with helping people, my goal is to earn a lot of money while doing something that i feel passionate abt and doctors earn the most out of the choice that u gave me. Plus i don't think a nurse anesthetist would be as good at opening a free clinic as a doctor would... which is my ultimate goal on this hard path! but thx for that party info, that helped 🙂

consider yourself informed and keep up the good work. good luck to you!
 
anon-y-mouse said:
consider yourself informed and keep up the good work. good luck to you!


lol, thx dude! Hope u good luck on ur life's goals. 🙂
 
No, it's not that hard. I'd rather go to med school than plant rice in a rice field or work at a sweat shop any day.
 
happydays said:
No, it's not that hard. I'd rather go to med school than plant rice in a rice field or work at a sweat shop any day.


lol, thx
 
tikiman said:
...there is NO way that i am gonna be someone's assistant...
My father became the owner of his own engineering firm for this reason - he didn't like working for others, and wanted to his ideas become reality. Owning your own buisness is another way to have a lot of career freedom.
 
tikiman said:
no, i want to be a doctor cuz its the best i can do! ... there is NO way that i am gonna be someone's assistant, that in my eyes in no way as honorable as becoming a doctor! Also, along with helping people, my goal is to earn a lot of money while doing something that i feel passionate abt and doctors earn the most out of the choice that u gave me. Plus i don't think a nurse anesthetist would be as good at opening a free clinic as a doctor would... which is my ultimate goal on this hard path! but thx for that party info, that helped 🙂


I don't want to be the bearer of bad news, but I have a good feeling you are going to get ripped to shreds by admissions committees. That sounds mean to say, but it's better that you consider it now then spend four years of your life for nothing.

For instance, how do you plan to make a lot of money by opening a free clinic? When the medicine and care is free, who is paying for the medications and the equipment and the staff and the mortgage of the clinic?

You know...?
 
Law2Doc said:
Agree, but there are certainly other choices than those. 🙄

i know there are more choices but i do wanna be a doctor. Its just the length and the difficulty of this road that i don't like. Plus, i don't really have a business mind so... lol
 
Oculus Sinistra said:
I don't want to be the bearer of bad news, but I have a good feeling you are going to get ripped to shreds by admissions committees. That sounds mean to say, but it's better that you consider it now then spend four years of your life for nothing.

For instance, how do you plan to make a lot of money by opening a free clinic? When the medicine and care is free, who is paying for the medications and the equipment and the staff and the mortgage of the clinic?

You know...?

I was actually more troubled by the "no way going to be anyones assistant" language. Given the hierarchy of the medical profession, one will still be someone's "assistant" (aka peon) long after one becomes a doctor. Better get used to the idea.
 
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Oculus Sinistra said:
I don't want to be the bearer of bad news, but I have a good feeling you are going to get ripped to shreds by admissions committees. That sounds mean to say, but it's better that you consider it now then spend four years of your life for nothing.

For instance, how do you plan to make a lot of money by opening a free clinic? When the medicine and care is free, who is paying for the medications and the equipment and the staff and the mortgage of the clinic?

You know...?

yea, u r right but i think i came across wrong. I am not just gonna open a free clinic after i do my residency... I'll do that like ten or twenty yrs after becoming a doctor so i have ample money saved for opening a small free clinic. That's y i am glad that doctors get paid so much, lol
 
Law2Doc said:
I was actually more troubled by the "no way going to be anyones assistant" language. Given the hierarchy of the medical profession, one will still be someone's "assistant" (aka peon) long after one becomes a doctor. Better get used to the idea.


true, i shouldn't have said that. It sounded degrative towards other professions. Sry yall!
 
tikiman said:
Hi, i am currently a pre-med student and i do want to be a doctor. But sometimes when i see the road ahead, i get discouraged and think that maybe i should be something else. First, there is that extremely hard med schools that u have to get into, then if u go over that obstacle, u have to go through residency and sub-residancy and all that crap, that's like 11-14 yrs of studying. I mean i love the concept of putting medicine of someone's wounds but i have heard and seen how much u have to devote ur life to it if u wanna be successful at becoming a doctor and honestly, i don't see myself having any time for fun in those yrs cuz u gotta study so much and i really don't want to waste those prime yrs of my life getting lost in books and worrying abt getting A's. So i guess wat my question is that is becoming a doctor really as hard as people make it to be? Is that saying true that med school students have no social life???

its a tough road...social life isnt eliminated...there is still time, you must learn to be efficient....if you like science and taking care of people, you could consider it, but it sounds like you might not be down to put in all those years....decision is yours....if you do primary care, you can be out in 7 yrs (4yrs med and 3 yrs residency)....not too bad.
 
What do you mean by primary care ?
 
HeadRx said:
What do you mean by primary care ?

There are two types of Med School: Research and primary care.... dude, that's not 7 yrs, its 11 cuz u r leaving the first 4 undergraduate yrs! plus, if i decide to do, sub-residancy, then that will be extra 3 yrs. so that 4 (undergrad) + 4 (grad) + 3 (residancy) + 3 (sub-residancy),... that's 14 yrs!!!!
 
tikiman said:
Hi, i am currently a pre-med student and i do want to be a doctor. But sometimes when i see the road ahead, i get discouraged and think that maybe i should be something else. First, there is that extremely hard med schools that u have to get into, then if u go over that obstacle, u have to go through residency and sub-residancy and all that crap, that's like 11-14 yrs of studying. I mean i love the concept of putting medicine of someone's wounds but i have heard and seen how much u have to devote ur life to it if u wanna be successful at becoming a doctor and honestly, i don't see myself having any time for fun in those yrs cuz u gotta study so much and i really don't want to waste those prime yrs of my life getting lost in books and worrying abt getting A's. So i guess wat my question is that is becoming a doctor really as hard as people make it to be? Is that saying true that med school students have no social life???

yeah..med school is not for you...why are you even pre-med dude?!
 
To answer for Marcus: Primary care=family physician, etc.

Tiki: My advice is to go shadow an attending physician at a hospital affiliated with a med school. It will open your eyes to so many things. I looked at residency at a dark cloud of horror until I did this...then I realized that residency is AWESOME....you spend your days doing the exact thing that you LOVE and have worked for ~8 years for! The road to medicine is a long way, but it's not ALL studying. The first 2 years of med school are studying, then the 3/4th years are clinicals where you have one test at the end of each rotation (each rotation last a few weeks)...so a lot of students don't study for those tests until the end of the rotation anyways. THEN...residency is kinda study on your own. You only study so that you are competent enough to help the patients you are overseeing (and so you won't look like an idiot when the attending asks you something). So residency is more hands on than just studying all day. And every med school interview that I've gone to, all the students tell you about the partying in that city and how much the students go out....work hard, play hard! Hope this helps!
 
Passion461 said:
yeah..med school is not for you...why are you even pre-med dude?!


thx dude, u really know how to push someone off the edge when a person is struggling... u'll be a great doctor!
 
tikiman said:
There are two types of Med School: Research and primary care.... dude, that's not 7 yrs, its 11 cuz u r leaving the first 4 undergraduate yrs! plus, if i decide to do, sub-residancy, then that will be extra 3 yrs. so that 4 (undergrad) + 4 (grad) + 3 (residancy) + 3 (sub-residancy),... that's 14 yrs!!!!
you cheated and added undergrad in. You'll be going to college for 4 years no matter what degree/career you pursue. And really, once you finish undergrad, it's as if you never went because it doesn't count for anything! (IMO)
 
tikiman said:
thx dude, u really know how to push someone off the edge when a person is struggling... u'll be a great doctor!
LMAO!
 
McMD said:

i know dude, i didn't cheat i just meant that its 14 yrs of STUDYING. I didn't say i was talking abt medical studies... but either way, i was shocked and delighted by ur comment abt medical students partying so much. thx man, that gives me hope, lol. Now if i can only somehow get calculus over with, with a C or higher, my life will be heaven again :laugh:
 
McMD said:

i know dude, i didn't cheat i just meant that its 14 yrs of STUDYING. I didn't say i was talking abt medical studies... but either way, i was shocked and delighted by ur comment abt medical students partying so much. thx man, that gives me hope, lol. Now if i can only somehow get calculus over with, with a C or higher, my life will be heaven again :laugh:
 
McMD said:
...You'll be going to college for 4 years no matter what degree/career you pursue...
Not really. As Dr. Peter Venkman said to his secretarty: "Janine, someone with your qualifications would have no trouble finding a top-flight job in either the food service or housekeeping industries."
 
Honestly, and I'm sure MANY others on this site can vouch....I think med students party more than undergrads!! In fact, one med school that I interviewed at...one of the faculty members sets up happy hour for the students after exams.
 
tikiman said:
Also, along with helping people, my goal is to earn a lot of money...Plus i don't think a nurse anesthetist would be as good at opening a free clinic as a doctor would... which is my ultimate goal on this hard path!

Uhm - how are you going to earn a lot of money in that free clinic? There was so much wrong with the original post, but this contradiction just really struck me as funny.
 
Flopotomist said:
Uhm - how are you going to earn a lot of money in that free clinic? There was so much wrong with the original post, but this contradiction just really struck me as funny.


i think i corrected this once before but i'll say it again. I am not gonna open up a free clinic right after i start my career. I intend to do it like 20 or 30 yrs after my career starts so that i have some money saved up for it. Wat else was wrong with it? plz explain?
 
tikiman said:
i think i corrected this once before but i'll say it again. I am not gonna open up a free clinic right after i start my career. I intend to do it like 20 or 30 yrs after my career starts so that i have some money saved up for it. Wat else was wrong with it? plz explain?

Well, frankly, it demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of the medical profession. PA's do not "assist" physicians - they work as mid-level providers and work very independantly. Same with nurse anesthetists. In fact, both are able to make VERY decent wages, and if you average out the lifetime earnings of a PA and an MD (especially one who is committed to opening a "free clinic") you will see that the difference may not be as great as you imagine.
 
how many times does tikiman contradict hiimself...it's so funny to listen lol. if, and that's a big IF, he does get an interview, the admissions committee are just going to rip him to shreds.

why are you even considering med an option, it's obviously not for you. anyone else agree?
 
tikiman said:
i know dude, i didn't cheat i just meant that its 14 yrs of STUDYING. I didn't say i was talking abt medical studies... but either way, i was shocked and delighted by ur comment abt medical students partying so much. thx man, that gives me hope, lol. Now if i can only somehow get calculus over with, with a C or higher, my life will be heaven again :laugh:

don't aim for a C. Actually, a C is pretty much a punch in the face in terms of getting into med school. Even those B's hurt (atleast for me)
 
korndoctor said:
how many times does tikiman contradict hiimself...it's so funny to listen lol. if, and that's a big IF, he does get an interview, the admissions committee are just going to rip him to shreds.

why are you even considering med an option, it's obviously not for you. anyone else agree?

It doesn't take much of this guy to realize he's not exactly of the intellectual caliber for medicine. He started a thread on how abortion doctors were murderers the other day. Good luck getting through calculus and into med school.
 
tulane06 said:
I smell a TROLL

That's what I thought on the last thread. But now I think he's just really, really stupid.

Let's see what happens next.
 
tikiman said:
Hi, i am currently a pre-med student and i do want to be a doctor. But sometimes when i see the road ahead, i get discouraged and think that maybe i should be something else. First, there is that extremely hard med schools that u have to get into

Do well in school, get good EC's and LOR's and you won't have to worry about getting in.

tikiman said:
then if u go over that obstacle, u have to go through residency and sub-residancy and all that crap, that's like 11-14 yrs of studying.

If you think residency is crap, then don't become a doctor. It will take time, after all you will have people's lives in your hands. That's why becoming a physician takes a long time; you have no room for error and must know what you are doing.

tikiman said:
I mean i love the concept of putting medicine of someone's wounds but i have heard and seen how much u have to devote ur life to it if u wanna be successful at becoming a doctor

If you don't want to devote the time, then don't consider med school. As other's have said, look at becoming a PA, or nurse practitioner. There's nothing wrong with going into these two fields.

tikiman said:
no, i want to be a doctor cuz its the best i can do! ... there is NO way that i am gonna be someone's assistant, that in my eyes in no way as honorable as becoming a doctor!

What do you mean by "it's the best I can do"? There's is nothing wrong with becoming a PA or FNP. This statement tells a lot about your attitude. If you think that being a PA or FNP isn't honorable, then you're never going to be a good doctor simply because most doctors work with PA's and FNP's as a team. If you as the doctor find these people to be "less" honorable then you will never be able to work with them.
 
his parents are probably pressuring him into medicine most likely because his parents have probably failed in doing so. this explains his attitude towards other fields in healthcare.
 
rehanyazdani, seriously, don't waste your time explaining these things to someone who will not understand.
 
Yo Tikiman,
I am a surgical intern right now and I can answer some of your questions. First, getting into medical school is very hard, you have to do well in your classes, have significant E.C./volunteer exp, excellent L.O.R., Solid MCAT, and a great interview. Even if these factors favor you, you might still not get into your top choice medical school. I think the bottleneck is at the admission process. Also if you did get into medical school, you have to get good grades, do well on the USMLE, Good letters, probably research, and the process repeats it self when you apply to residency, esp if you apply to something very competitive.

Medical school is not hard to understand the topics, just a ton of volume. To give you an example, in college, I would study maybe 1wk before the exam and get As no problem, in medical school, I studied everday and still feel that I couldn't get through all of the material. This is esp true for 2nd year. For my undergrad, Embryology was a semester long course, when I got to anatomy in 1st yr, we started out with embryology, and covered my whole semester of undergrad work in a little over one week and was expected to know everything for the exam. On top of this class, I have 4 other classes that I needed to worry about. The amount of material covered by the Step I can not even be compared with the amount of material on the MCAT. However, I do think that the MCAT is more of a reasoning/application test and Step I is a memorization test.

My attitude in undergrad and in the 1st couple of yrs of med school was similar to yours in that I was only worrying about getting As for classes and that was my main motivator to study. But now as 3rd and 4th yr medical school has past me and I am almost done with my internship, my attitude is completely different. The things your learn in medical school and residency will ultimately help you take better care of your patients. It is not about getting As or Bs (although you need to do good to get into good residencies), but you need to learn these things so that you don't F@#$ up and hurt the patients, when you have the power to make decisions that will affect their care. I can tell you that there are definite times this year that I have personally witness or seen patients in my hospital that died because of a mistake by a resident. Imagine to yourself that you had to go into a room as the surgeon to talk with a family that you made a mistake in the operating room and now, their daughter/son/father/etc is died. I know that sometimes mistakes are not preventable, but the frequency can always be reduced from knowledge and practice.

Being a physician gives you a lot of responsibilities, it is very challenging, can be emotionally draining, but the things you learn and experience in the field of medicine can not be replicated by any other profession. It is a great profession that requires a ton of hard work and a profession that will give you many ups and downs. If you don't want to work hard, try a different career that will give you more free time. If you do get into medical school, you can try to get by just by coasting through, but this is the attitude that will get you into trouble later on in your career. And also being a doctor is not as honorable or highly regarded by people as you think. Looking at someone's anus and draining their rectal absess at 2am with the smell of fecal matter surrounding your nose, is not that honorable. When you are a resident, even with a MD behind your name, you will still be bossed around by the nurses, NPs, PAs, and your senior resident, and also the attending, sometimes the secretary. The list just goes on, you need to work well with these people, nurses can make or break you when you are the resident on service. There will be nurses that will know more than you in certain situations, and I can't even tell you how many times this year that I was saved by the nursing staff, esp. at nights when there is no one, but you and a sick patient. If you don't work well with other people, then medicine is not for you. I wish you all the best 🙂
 
happydays said:
rehanyazdani, seriously, don't waste your time explaining these things to someone who will not understand.

yeah thought about that after posting the reply. thanks tho!
 
The hardest part is getting your foot in the door
 
tikiman said:
i know dude, i didn't cheat i just meant that its 14 yrs of STUDYING. I didn't say i was talking abt medical studies... but either way, i was shocked and delighted by ur comment abt medical students partying so much. thx man, that gives me hope, lol. Now if i can only somehow get calculus over with, with a C or higher, my life will be heaven again :laugh:

so am i missing something or do you not like school all that much?
 
Out of your "14 year plan":
Only 2 of them are really only book work.
Only 4 of them are unpaid.
Most don't do 6 years of residency.
 
If med school wasnt hard, everyone would be a doctor.
 
mjc48 said:
so am i missing something or do you not like school all that much?

i like school and the whole experience of college so far but if u r asking me that if i am a Nerd, then the answer is no. I have huge interest in bio and that's generally wat i like learning abt.
 
Depakote said:
It's a good thing Doctors don't have to do any sort of Continuing Medical Education or anything like that...

dude, it would be, like, totally sweet, if instead of taking the mcats they could just time my keg stands. i could definetly get into continueing my education as long as it involved jello shots
 
Depakote said:
BCPM GPA:
Overall GPA:
MCAT:
KEG:


GPA: i think there was a three in it somewhere
MCAT: that test is a lot of work!
KEG: 48 s on a full keg
 
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