Is there time to have a life?

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Asking people who're actually in medical school.. Is it possible to have a social life? Is it possible to be done with studying by, say, 8pm every day? Is it possible to go out at least one night a week and party?

I'd love to be a doctor, but I don't think I can handle the 4+ years of 8 hour study days every day... I realized this just now while studying for the MCAT 🙁
 
Asking people who're actually in medical school.. Is it possible to have a social life? Is it possible to be done with studying by, say, 8pm every day? Is it possible to go out at least one night a week and party?

I'd love to be a doctor, but I don't think I can handle the 4+ years of 8 hour study days every day... I realized this just now while studying for the MCAT 🙁

Depends a lot on how you define a social life. In terms of the first two years if you are like most people: You will not likely be done studying by 8pm every day. On some days you can if you are diligent about it and use mornings and afternoons wisely. And sure, it will be possible to go out at least one weekend night a week and party, but I wouldn't plan on it every week (eg before exams), and I wouldn't plan on going out much on week days. Between classes and studying you will likely spend over 8 hours a day every day x7/week. In third year, all bets are off. You will have rotations where you are spending every third or fourth night overnight in the hospital. You will have rotations where 13 hour days are pretty regular. And you will have weeks where you don't get the weekend off. So I wouldn't plan on the same kind of social life that year. Fourth year is pretty amenable to a social life, but you will perhaps be doing away rotations in other states or travelling a lot for interviews. Hope that clarifies. It won't be so bad, because all 150 of your peers will be in the same boat, and misery loves company.
 
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But what about the people I'm with now... I just think it'd be ****ty to have all that work while your GF/significant other/brothers/friends dont have to worry about this kinda crap..
 
But what about the people I'm with now... I just think it'd be ****ty to have all that work while your GF/significant other/brothers/friends dont have to worry about this kinda crap..

Your friends will fall by the wayside in droves. Once they realize you are never around to do stuff they move on. You will make new friends -- friends with similar time constraints, who expect less time. Your family will forgive you when you come up for air on major holidays. They have to -- that's what family is all about. In terms of GF/SO, if that person doesn't understand your workload, and are okay with it, and are able to self-entertain, they they will soon be gone. Med school breaks up all of the weaker relationships. The stronger, more understanding ones survive.
 
But what about the people I'm with now... I just think it'd be ****ty to have all that work while your GF/significant other/brothers/friends dont have to worry about this kinda crap..

while medical school is a big time commitment for sure there is plenty of time to still have a good time though sometimes it sucks seeing friends who are out in the working world take weekend trips or go to happy hour 3 times a week but if you love medicine then you will be fine...
 
It varies during the school year (on and off test weeks for example) but in general yes, it's possible to have a social life. You just have to be extra careful at managing your time to make sure everything gets done (including getting enough sleep).
 
Law2Doc's experience is like mine; you will find yourself with less time to spread amongst friends but you will still have time to socialize. I devote 1-6 hours a day studying, 0-3 for mandatory school activities, 1 to working out, and the rest to staying sane. This "staying sane" time is mostly spent/squandered on the internet, spent with the girlfriend, who is also in med school, or spent partying/hanging out with groups of friends on the weekends.

Learn to manage your time well and you'll be fine.
 
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Very possible to have a life. In fact, many students at my school go out 3-4 times a week (and then some) on non exam weeks and still end up doing very well. If most of your time is spent studying then you are probably doing something wrong. Planning is key for balancing school, friends and family. This at least holds true for the first two years. Third year is another story...
 
as an M1, i've gotten several "you'll have to study 6+ hours per day EVERY DAY" from several M2. it scared me a bit at first but honestly it's not that bad. everyone's different but i've put in around 3-4 max hours daily and i've been fine. another thing to remember is where will you be happy? some people are okay with being average. others need to honor.
 
I think a lot of people need to get over themselves about this whole med school thing. Honestly, I only know about one or two people in my class who study all night after classes, but these people also said they, "need to read something 8 or 9 times before they could remember it."

On average, I study 1-3 hours a night, and that is not every night. Of course, this is ramped up to 5-7 hours about a week before tests, but I still find plenty of time to go out, exercise, etc. Yeah there is a lot of material to cover, but do you really find it that hard to memorize things? It's not like we are asked to wrap our head around mind bending theories.

Sure, there will probably be people that say, "But you don't comprehend the material!1!!!!eleven!!1!!!" Ridiculous, right?

I don't know, maybe I'm just doing it wrong.
 
Studying in Med School is MUCH more interesting than studying for the MCAT. Dont plan on being able to go out for dollar beer night on a Wednesday night but you can definitely have a social life. Nobody is forcing you to go over everything twelve times...you still have free will and can enjoy your life. Dont let social life concerns stop you from becoming a doc unless you HAVE to go out every night.
 
Depends a lot on how you define a social life. In terms of the first two years if you are like most people: You will not likely be done studying by 8pm every day. On some days you can if you are diligent about it and use mornings and afternoons wisely. And sure, it will be possible to go out at least one weekend night a week and party, but I wouldn't plan on it every week (eg before exams), and I wouldn't plan on going out much on week days. Between classes and studying you will likely spend over 8 hours a day every day x7/week. In third year, all bets are off. You will have rotations where you are spending every third or fourth night overnight in the hospital. You will have rotations where 13 hour days are pretty regular. And you will have weeks where you don't get the weekend off. So I wouldn't plan on the same kind of social life that year. Fourth year is pretty amenable to a social life, but you will perhaps be doing away rotations in other states or travelling a lot for interviews. Hope that clarifies. It won't be so bad, because all 150 of your peers will be in the same boat, and misery loves company.



This is the kind of guy I am talking about....the kind of guy who loves to wave his MASSIVE "Look at me, I'm in med school" erection around.

I know he is well loved by the community, so I'll probably get flamed (go ahead, thrash me with your anonymous internet insults), but maybe he was that guy who went for honors in every class and needed to spend that much time studying.

Just my 2 CCs
 
I just started, but here's my impression so far:

I moved across the country to go to med school. Before leaving my friends and I had a bunch of going away parties and etc.. it was really sad to leave everyone but it also made me realize how great my hometown friends are how much that genuine connection is worth. When I was home, if I had any night free that I didn't go out or hang out with friends, I would be anxious and discontent just sitting around the house doing nothing. I basically wanted to chill EVERY DAY. Now that I moved to a place where I know only one or two people, all that pressure to go out and be a socialite has pretty much gone away, and I'm happy staying home studying/playing music, whatever. I know I'm gonna make a lot of good friends in med school but ultimately I'm here to study medicine, not to be part of a big crew hanging out every day like in undergrad.

that's my take now at least, definitely could change half-way through the year, hah. 😎
 
It really depends on how demanding your down time is. Do you party every single day of the weekend? Do you simply have certain hobbies that you like to do in your spare time? I personally enjoy hobbies like golfing,gaming, and hanging out. Nothing too demanding.

One thing that the upper class medical students have told us that you should retain your hobbies that you enjoy doing and have balance in your life. Otherwise you will burn out. Of course there are times where you will have devote more time towards studying, especially during the more demanding classes like anatomy. But you will find some kind of time to do things you enjoy doing.
 
Part of what you have to acknowledge is that you will have no idea how much time YOU will need to devote to your classes to pass. There are some people who do need to put in 8+ hours a day to pass, just like there are people who cram for a few days before the test and honor everything. You will probably be somewhere in between but you need to at least acknowledge that you might be one who struggles with the material and be ok with that possibility.

That being said on average I think its very possible to have a good amount of socialization but that it won't be the same as what you've had before. I'm married and I pull off two date nights a week except for the week before a test when I study the whole weekend thru. I also work out everyday, eat dinner and hang out with my husband for about 2 hours every day, and always have a novel or something I'm reading thats not for medschool. So obviously I have some spare time on my hands. In order to do this I have a schedule set up to make sure I'm studying in the mornings and afternoons every day and that I'm putting in a few hours on my non-date nights. Its all about time management. I have had to sacrifice some friend time to make sure my marriage is getting the attention it needs and I probably don't spend as much time with my classmates as others do since I don't study at night at school but rather at home. And my husband has had to adjust to having to self entertain when I'm busy and make sure he's around when I'm not which was challenging at first. A new Xbox was involved lol.
 
nice move, wtf do the premeds know about life in med school.
 
nice move, wtf do the premeds know about life in med school.

Perhaps you aren't familiar with the forums. It's a premed question. So, it belongs in the pre-med forum. Med students do answer relevant questions on the pre-med forum. This is the appropriate forum in which to post answers to questions that pertain specifically to the concerns of pre-meds.

Please keep the replies civil and on topic.
 
can't wait to date a med school girl, study breaks FTW!
 
Perhaps you aren't familiar with the forums. It's a premed question. So, it belongs in the pre-med forum. Med students do answer relevant questions on the pre-med forum. This is the appropriate forum in which to post answers to questions that pertain specifically to the concerns of pre-meds.

Please keep the replies civil and on topic.

Uhh, I don't see how it's a pre med question. The question has absolutely nothing to do with an undergraduate degree. The OP is asking current med students about life in medical school. Then again, maybe I'm dumb, but I doubt it.
 
If a person has already done something, there isn't much reason to ask what it's like to do it. The ones who want that information are those who haven't had the experience. The answers to this question are helpful to curious pre-meds. If the question was, "Can you have a life while you go to college?" it would belong in the pre-college forum.
 
This is the kind of guy I am talking about....the kind of guy who loves to wave his MASSIVE "Look at me, I'm in med school" erection around.

I know he is well loved by the community, so I'll probably get flamed (go ahead, thrash me with your anonymous internet insults), but maybe he was that guy who went for honors in every class and needed to spend that much time studying.

Just my 2 CCs

Dude, your previous posts suggest you just started med school. You thus haven't exactly walked the walk yet. After a few exams, maybe Step 1, you might have a frame of reference as to how much studying ought to be done in med school. I am hardly a "look at me, I'm in med school" kind of guy -- I've been around the professional block already and to be honest, I'm probably more jaded and a realist than the folks on here who are nothing but excited about the experience. And it's a stretch, I think, to read my posts and think I'm self aggrandizing (or, as you put it, waving my massive erection around. Although I appreciate the "massive" compliment).

The OP wanted to know what the average experience was like. Guess what -- the average med student doesn't finish studying early every night and go out. The average person has trouble keeping the old friends happy with the relatively limited free time to spend with them. I'm sure some do, but the OP isn't really asking about outliers. The OP wants to know, if you show up to med school trying to do well, learn the material, and keep future specialty options open, are you going to be able to maintain the same kind of social life you had in college. The answer, for the average med student, is no. There will be folks for whom the answer is yes, but they are either uber smart, or the type that doesn't mind risking repeating courses. Because guess what? At most med schools there are always folks who fail tests, courses, even have to repeat first year. And these frequently aren't the folks who came into med school with the lowest stats, just the poorest work ethic.

At the other extreme from the fear of failure is the need to keep options open. You don't know what specialty you want from day one. You may THINK you do, but honestly until you have a few third year rotations under your belt, you have no frame of reference to select a field. MOST med students will change their mind about the specialty they want AT LEAST ONCE. Some things that seemed cool as a premed you will realize are lame on rotations, and some things you never thought you'd like you will find really cool/fun. So yeah, you may come into med school thinking, I am happy with FM or Psych or Peds so I don't need to study as hard as the dude shooting for plastics or derm. But then you have your surgery rotation and decide you love Ortho or plastics. Or you find the Derm stuff you get exposed to during your medicine rotation kind of cool. Or something like Rad Onc catches your eye. And guess what -- if you haven't been doing your best prior to that, didn't get decent Step 1 scores (which largely correlate with the amount of work you put in during the first two years) you are kind of f-ed.

I'm not saying you need to get honors (you don't), but if you have the capability of being in the top third of the class, and do well on every test, and learn the material well as a head start for the boards, then you really ought to try to accomplish that. Most people, even working their hardest, won't get there. (2/3 won't, to be exact). Everyone comes to med school having gotten "mostly A's" to get in, and yet half of these stars are going to graduate in the bottom half of your class. One or two will even graduate in the bottom half of the following year's class. So you have to show up ready to hit the ground running. I see no reason to consider this notion an exaggeration of the med school experience. You didn't show up here for the cake and ice cream. You showed up to pack your brain with the material necessary to be a physician. There's a ton of it, and you are supposed to retain much of it into the boards, and rotations and beyond, so cramming is not advised. Good luck.
 
Uhh, I don't see how it's a pre med question. The question has absolutely nothing to do with an undergraduate degree. The OP is asking current med students about life in medical school. Then again, maybe I'm dumb, but I doubt it.
I'm pretty sure that none of the med students are wondering what if we have time in med school to have a life. I already know the answer to that question, so it's a pre-med question.


For me, if I had WANTED to go out frequently during the first two years, there was definitely time. The issue was that I often didn't have the energy after a long day to do much more than slump into my chair and play some video games while eating frozen pizza. If you get rejuvenated by having pitchers of beer and won't be really hung over the next day, then you can go out. I rarely had to spend more than 8-10 hours a day on med school stuff - other than exam weeks or the occasional day with lots of small groups and labs. It's just the mental stress that was hard.
 
Law2doc:
Yeah, I was probably a little out of line with my comment, sorry.

Prowler:
I think the OP posted this in the allopathic forum because that's where the med students who know a thing or two about life in school post and read. If he posted it in pre-med, I assume that it would be read mostly by pre-meds who don't know what life is like in med school? Is my logic wrong?
 
The people who have no lives in medical school are the people who WANT to have no life i.e. those for whom "studying all the time" is some sort of sick badge of honor.

And they are out there.
 
Is my logic wrong?

Yeah, actually. The allo board isn't meant to give pre-allos access to allo folks. It's meant for topics of interest to allo folks. Otherwise, there really aren't any posts that would ever get put in pre-allo because nobody knows more about the process than the folks further along. There are enough med students who post on both boards that the OP's question will get answered even in the proper forum.
 
Depends a lot on how you define a social life. In terms of the first two years if you are like most people: You will not likely be done studying by 8pm every day. On some days you can if you are diligent about it and use mornings and afternoons wisely. And sure, it will be possible to go out at least one weekend night a week and party, but I wouldn't plan on it every week (eg before exams), and I wouldn't plan on going out much on week days. Between classes and studying you will likely spend over 8 hours a day every day x7/week. In third year, all bets are off. You will have rotations where you are spending every third or fourth night overnight in the hospital. You will have rotations where 13 hour days are pretty regular. And you will have weeks where you don't get the weekend off. So I wouldn't plan on the same kind of social life that year. Fourth year is pretty amenable to a social life, but you will perhaps be doing away rotations in other states or travelling a lot for interviews. Hope that clarifies. It won't be so bad, because all 150 of your peers will be in the same boat, and misery loves company.

Your friends will fall by the wayside in droves.

I don't think I've ever read a post from you that doesn't make it sound like med school is the hardest, most torturous thing a person will ever do in their entire life. All your posts are riddled with gloom and doom and I don't know if it's true or not, but I know there are many, many, many, MANY other med students on this forum whose posts contradict what you've posted. I've read posts from mothers who juggle things in a way to have five or six hours free in the evening every night except exam week, from people who say that they study 1-4 hours a day, from others who don't go to class and study only in the morning and afternoon and have all evening free. To read one of your posts, I'd think I'd wake up with a book in my hand and sleep with one too, that my only break would be going to the bathroom.
 
To read one of your posts, I'd think I'd wake up with a book in my hand and sleep with one too, that my only break would be going to the bathroom.

Guess what -- during the week before exams that probably will be your life. You have no frame of reference, so what I'm saying sounds very ominous. Once you get to med school you will see what's what. It is NOTHING like college. You can't really compare it, so it's hard to convey to you. But yeah, you are going to study a lot in med school. Much more than in college. No matter how much you think you are working hard in college, it doesn't compare to what you are going to be doing in med school. But it won't be that big a deal because everyone else in med school is going to be in the same boat. It's not like college where you are forced to decide between studying and going to the tailgate party before the big game, because nobody else in the class is going to the tailgate party or the big game either. Misery loves company. You will be surrounded with folks who are working hard and doing what they need to do well. And so you tend to follow suit. And it doesn't seem so bad because you aren't surrounded by a party crowd.

Yes, your old friends will fall off in droves. They will call you and say, hey the gang is going out for beers and you are going to say "sorry, gotta study, maybe next time". Then they will cal land say, "hey, we are all driving out to the beach for the weekend, wanna come?" and you are going to say "sorry, gotta study, maybe next time". And after 3-4 rounds of this, they stop calling. Which is okay because by then you will have a new set of friends you eat meals with and head off to the library with and BS about classes with.

I don't know what med students are telling you you can get by on 1 hour a night studying, but I sure wouldn't buy it. As many med students tend to agree with my posts as contradict them, and many who contradict aren't as far along. Most people who succeed treat med school like a long houred, full time job. It honestly wasn't all that different than being a junior associate at a big law firm in terms of the hours you ought to put in to do well, but every person is different. For example, a typical schedule might be: You get up early, study, go to classes, eat lunch with the gang, study, maybe hit the gym for an hour, grab dinner with your buds, study, watch a little TV or play some video games or make a few phone calls for an hour or two, study a bit more, and go to bed. And then repeat. On weekends you study most of the day and maybe go out at night if it's not an exam week. And so on. The key to success in med school for most people is repetition. Cramming doesn't work in med school like it did in college. The volume of material is too big, and you need to remember it longer than just for the test (eg. the boards, your rotations). So you need to learn it for real and that takes repetition. So many people pre-read material before class, attend class, review the lecture notes and material after class. Then on the weekend they review the entire week's material again (weekends are great for this because it's the only two days a week where you aren't getting any new information). And then review everything again the week before the exam. This basically results in having gone through the material 5 times before the exam, and so you basically know it decently. Not reviewing stuff daily really doesn't work for most med students. There will always be the one guy who reads stuff once and knows it cold, and for him, yeah maybe 1 hour a day of studying is fine and he can go out 4 nights a week. The number of folks in the typical class of 150 who can pull this off? Maybe 1-2. More commonly you will meet folks who try to go out every night and just cram for the exams. Then fail the first exam, maybe the second. And more often than not they use it as a wake up call and become the guy who closes the library each night.

Bear in mind that in a class of 150, there will be 150 different study methodologies, and people will have 150 different approaches. Some will work, some wont. Those whose methods don't work have to change them up. Adaptation is the key to med school. Also bear in mind that with 120+ med schools there are going to be 120+ experiences. There are one or two med schools where you cannot fail. They have a P/P rather than a P/F grading system. In these schools I suspect folks can get away with a lot less studying. But in most schools there will be a significant number of people who fail tests, a lesser number who fail courses and have to make them up, and a hopefully smaller number who have to repeat the year. So there is a downside to coasting. All these people got into med school with A's. Some still end up doing the 5 year plan.

So yeah, it's not doom and gloom in that it's "bad". I enjoy med school. To me, this is "fun". I have no problem rolling up my sleeves and buckling down. All professional careers demand this. But don't kid yourself into thinking you won't be working harder than you ever have in your entire life. You will (give or take the very rare exception). Sorry, but that's just the truth.
And then third year is harder, but a different kind of hard. You'll be pulling 12 hour days on the wards and still have to come home and study for a shelf. But most find it "cooler" because you're actually doing stuff. And then residency will dwarf this -- longer hours, greater responsibility, still exams to study for. It never ends on this career. So brace yourself.
 
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It's all up to you. If you want to get the highest grades possible you won't have much time for things not related to school. If you just want to pass you can probably do something fun every night. Whatever you do, there shouldn't be a single day that you don't study at least a little bit. Cramming before tests will not work in med school.
 
If you just want to pass you can probably do something fun every night.

This is not a true statement at a lot of schools, and for a lot of students. People do fail things in med school. How you do in courses isn't always a function of what grade you are "okay with". Many people who try to "just pass" won't. The kind of effort involved in passing often isn't all that much different than in doing well. It's more a function of efficiency and memory than in hours spent. So you will know folks who spend a ton of time studying just to squeak by, and others who spend a ton of time studying because they are gunning for derm. But you won't know which group you are in until a few exams into first year.
I agree with your subsequent statements, though.

I also would suggest that you won't know what you want to go into from day one, so you should do what you need to to keep all the options open. Most people change their mind as to specialties at least once in med school. So the guy who thinks he can coast because he wants Peds on day one may screw himself over if he coasts and later decides he likes ortho better.
 
Let me preface my post with I am not a med student and applying for the class of 2013.

At any point in my life when I have asked anybody about the next step in schooling (e.g. being in high school asking what college is like) I get the exact same response: truckloads of hyperbole about how much "harder" and "tougher" it is.

Experience-wise, the first few weeks are mildly difficult, but it quickly becomes the status quo and no big deal. I assume med school will be the same.
 
Experience-wise, the first few weeks are mildly difficult, but it quickly becomes the status quo and no big deal. I assume med school will be the same.

Depends what you mean by "it quickly becomes the status quo". You do what you have to do to do well. You fall into a routine. It doesn't seem as bad once you are used to it. But it's not really a matter of folks further along exaggerating, if that's what you are suggesting. It truly is a LOT more volume of material than college, and that eats up your free time quite effectively. And then third year you will get tastes of what it's like to work over 80 hours a week, something I kind of doubt you experienced in college. And then residency is a bear, no matter how you slice it.

Let's put it this way. I've been through college. I've been through law school. I've worked long hours for the man. Med school was harder, and demanded more time. All I'm saying. Believe what you want.
 
Depends what you mean by "it quickly becomes the status quo". You do what you have to do to do well. You fall into a routine. It doesn't seem as bad once you are used to it. But it's not really a matter of folks further along exaggerating, if that's what you are suggesting. It truly is a LOT more volume of material than college, and that eats up your free time quite effectively. And then third year you will get tastes of what it's like to work over 80 hours a week, something I kind of doubt you experienced in college. And then residency is a bear, no matter how you slice it.

I probably should have been more clear - you are right about third year and my post probably doesn't pertain to that. I guess I was tlaking more about MS1 and 2. Either way like you said, you fall into a routine, it quickly becomes "status quo" and you learn to cope anyway you can.

I suppose the bottom line is the OP should worry about it when he/she has to cross that bridge, and not now.
 
a typical schedule might be: You get up early, study, go to classes, eat lunch with the gang, study, maybe hit the gym for an hour, grab dinner with your buds, study, watch a little TV or play some video games or make a few phone calls for an hour or two, study a bit more, and go to bed. And then repeat. On weekends you study most of the day and maybe go out at night if it's not an exam week.

This seems much more reasonable and more in line with what most other med students say -- study hard, but there is time for a work-out, for dinner with the guys, for watching a little TV, and playing a video game on non-exam weeks. To be honest, most of your posts aren't that reasonable. You normally imply that a typical schedule might be: you get up early, study, go to classes, study, study, study, study, if you're lucky crunch on a carrot while you study, study, study, study, study, sleep, get up at 3 a.m. to study, sleep another hour, and then get up and start the day all over again. This is the impression you usually leave which is so totally out of the mainstream with what other med students say.
 
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He stated eight hours of med school related activities per day. How did you infer that to mean 18? This, I would imagine, includes class, as class is very related to med school.

I cannot speak from first-hand experience, only from second (sibling in medical school), but to do well in med school is to treat it like a full-time job.
 
... Either way like you said, you fall into a routine, it quickly becomes "status quo" and you learn to cope anyway you can.

I suppose the bottom line is the OP should worry about it when he/she has to cross that bridge, and not now.

No point even worrying about it then. Worrying won't make it better. If you want to be a doctor, this is the path you take. So you suck it up and do it, and do the best you can at it. This is what you signed up for. You eek out whatever social life you can, try to find a happy balance where you neither shortchange your life nor your studies, as everybody does, some more successfully than others, but you gotta keep your eye on the prize here.
 
This seems much more reasonable and more in line with what most other med students say -- study hard, but there is time for a work-out, for dinner with the guys, for watching a little TV, and playing a video game on non-exam weeks. To be honest, most of your posts aren't that reasonable. You normally imply that a typical schedule might be: you get up early, study, go to classes, study, study, study, study, if you're lucky crunch on a carrot while you study, study, study, study, study, sleep, get up at 3 a.m. to study, sleep another hour, and then get up and start the day all over again. This is the impression you usually leave which is so totally out of the mainstream with what other med students say.

No, I think you must misread a lot of my posts -- I'm actually usually quite consistent. And I don't even like carrots, so you must've gotten that from someone else.🙄 you will study harder in med school than ever before, that's something nobody can deny. If working out or having meals with folks is important to you, you can certainly squeeze that in most days. You can watch some TV now and then. But yeah, you are going to not be going out every night, and you won't have weekends off. You will spend most sunny weekends in the library. And no, you won't likely get by doing 1-3 hours of studying a day or whatever nominal amount you say some folks have told you. You will work hard. You will be squeezing activities in around the studying and not the other way round.
 
I cannot speak from first-hand experience, only from second (sibling in medical school), but to do well in med school is to treat it like a full-time job.

A full time LONG HOURED job, not a 9-5er. That means weekend work, some early morning and evening work too. But yeah, the hours many put in in med school aren't all that different than what the dude toiling at the big law firm or finance shop in the early years ought to be putting in.
 
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He stated eight hours of med school related activities per day. How did you infer that to mean 18? This, I would imagine, includes class, as class is very related to med school.

I cannot speak from first-hand experience, only from second (sibling in medical school), but to do well in med school is to treat it like a full-time job.

A full-time job, fine. That's what everyone says and that's what I believe. I already know and expect that. I'm picturing 40 hour weeks on NON-EXAM weeks the first two years. What L2D said was *over* 8 hours *7 days a week* and don't expect to be done by 8 p.m. Oh, and you won't have any friends who aren't in med school either because you'll never, ever, ever see them. All I'm saying is that it seems L2D is the only person I've seen on SDN who consistently gives the gloom and doom scenario. No one else whose posts I've read are that intense. Quite a few post about "date nights" with their spouse, about having several hours free in the evenings to spend with their spouse or children, about hitting the gym every single day and then spending time with loved ones. I understand that it varies on exam weeks and there's no time for anything non-school related, but on non-exam weeks, L2D is so greatly out of line with what others say.
 
A full time LONG HOURED job, not a 9-5er. That means weekend work, some early morning and evening work too. But yeah, the hours many put in in med school aren't all that different than what the dude toiling at the big law firm or finance shop in the early years ought to be putting in.

or the local factory, or even the manager at the local mall. I think alot of us around here seem to forget that lawyers, investment bankers, and doctors aren't the only ones working insane hours, middle and lower class workers do it as well. My dad works at the local paper mill and has to work 8 straight days before he gets a day off, and those days are usually 10-12 hours long. He makes a good living, about $90,000 per year, but he's been there since he was 24 and was 45 before he started making that much. Even when I worked at foot locker when I was sixteen my manager worked 9 to 9 almost every day.

So yeah you might be super busy studying in med school or being a resident, but you could be doing something alot less fulfilling with your time.
 
I think I agree...I'm a premed too...Ive come half way around the world to study Medicine in the United States and have never expected it to be easy. I've had friends in med School in India and saw the way they worked in the 4th year...It was crazy enough to scare the **** out of me at first...But I realized that I wanted to do that...If you dont expect it to be hard then you're kidding yourself. You will (most likely) be a physician or a surgeon one day if your in Med School...not giving it your best and being too worried about a social life might not augment well for the future.

However it definitely depends from one person to the other. Some people are exceptionally good at memorizing material with just one look at it...So there is no golden rule...

Btw...I dont drink 😛...So I guess thats one thing I dont have to worry about 😀
 
For those of you wondering how much time you'll put into studying, consider this: the power point presentation for one of my two classes on Monday is 68 slides. That's what? About 1/2 or 2/3 of an undergrad test? Add in the other class, and you can probably count on studying for a test every day, basically.
 
A full-time job, fine. That's what everyone says and that's what I believe. I already know and expect that. I'm picturing 40 hour weeks on NON-EXAM weeks the first two years. What L2D said was *over* 8 hours *7 days a week* and don't expect to be done by 8 p.m. Oh, and you won't have any friends who aren't in med school either because you'll never, ever, ever see them. All I'm saying is that it seems L2D is the only person I've seen on SDN who consistently gives the gloom and doom scenario. No one else whose posts I've read are that intense. Quite a few post about "date nights" with their spouse, about having several hours free in the evenings to spend with their spouse or children, about hitting the gym every single day and then spending time with loved ones. I understand that it varies on exam weeks and there's no time for anything non-school related, but on non-exam weeks, L2D is so greatly out of line with what others say.

I said 7 days a week and meant it. You spend over 8 hours a day and that still leaves you a few hours to have your date night or see your kids for a few hours or work out or watch some TV. You pick how you want to spend your few hours a day of free time. I don't think I am out of line with what others say and have had numerous others agree with me on the allo and other boards. A lot of people like to sugar coat it on SDN. I don't. But I think you can reconcile the hours I suggest with still having the time to do these other things if you remember that there are 24 hours in each day.
 
I said 7 days a week and meant it. You spend over 8 hours a day and that still leaves you a few hours to have your date night or see your kids for a few hours or work out or watch some TV. You pick how you want to spend your few hours a day of free time. I don't think I am out of line with what others say and have had numerous others agree with me on the allo and other boards. A lot of people like to sugar coat it on SDN. I don't. But I think you can reconcile the hours I suggest with still having the time to do these other things if you remember that there are 24 hours in each day.

personally, I thought 8 hours a day was a bit low, but then again, I tend to take regular breaks throughout the day. I'm sure plenty of people can get away with that level of studying, but don't assume you're one of them until you've adjusted to the course-load.
 
personally, I thought 8 hours a day was a bit low, but then again, I tend to take regular breaks throughout the day. I'm sure plenty of people can get away with that level of studying, but don't assume you're one of them until you've adjusted to the course-load.
I plan to go to class every day, so that's 6 hours, including a lunch break, right there. I have to imagine I'll be putting in more than 2 hours of daily studying, so that's easily more than 8 hours a day during the week.
 
I plan to go to class every day, so that's 6 hours, including a lunch break, right there. I have to imagine I'll be putting in more than 2 hours of daily studying, so that's easily more than 8 hours a day during the week.

Don't you think you could learn more in some cases by not going. I actually talked to an M2 at UAMS not too long ago about whether she goes to class and she says that everyone pretty much skipped mostly the same days, which were days where the professor teaching was not very good. On the days where they were scheduled to have pretty good teachers, she said the class would almost be completely full.
 
Don't you think you could learn more in some cases by not going. I actually talked to an M2 at UAMS not too long ago about whether she goes to class and she says that everyone pretty much skipped mostly the same days, which were days where the professor teaching was not very good. On the days where they were scheduled to have pretty good teachers, she said the class would almost be completely full.


I'm sure everyone went to class their first few sessions. Those that felt that they didn't get much out of it soon stopped while those that felt they had to go went. I'm sure Milkman will make that choice based on how he feels about his classes when he has them 😉.

As far as law2doc's comments, I read a lot of them and he's always consistent. OP if you want an idea from other med students then go check the allo forum and search for a similar thread, I probably see a thread like this in there once a month and the responses are always very much in line with what law2doc said. A bunch of people saying it's nothing like college, it's like a full time job, etc, and then the occasional person pops in to say "I barely study any harder in med school than I did in college."
 
Don't you think you could learn more in some cases by not going. I actually talked to an M2 at UAMS not too long ago about whether she goes to class and she says that everyone pretty much skipped mostly the same days, which were days where the professor teaching was not very good. On the days where they were scheduled to have pretty good teachers, she said the class would almost be completely full.
Yeah, I've heard the same thing from multiple people, and I've talked to a few who never went to class at all after the first few days/weeks. I like going to lectures because it helps me know what to focus on when studying. If there are some professors I'm learning nothing from, though, I may well skip their classes. We shall see. I study very efficiently, so 6 hours is a lot of review.
 
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