is this considered cheating?

[Rafa]

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a'ight so here'z the game plan step by step:

1) enter class 2) sit awkwardly next to friends/classmates and be like ummm hi 3) either make eye-contact with professor or look down at the desk as though i killed Barney 4) listen to professor give us a spiel on ethics and stuff 5) end of class - be like "At the time, i realized that what I did was wrong when I did it, but that I realize now what you did was wrong and it won't happen again."

DO YOU GUYS think it would be better if i said this outloud in front of class and apologize in front of everyone?

I seriously doubt anyone thinks that what happened was a big-deal, and I think it would really serve the purpose of 3 things 1) impressing the professor that i was "brave" enough to say it in front of class 2) let everyone realize how silly this is 3) make the tools who told on me feel even like bigger tools

You're just going to embarass yourself unnecessarily by doing that. I'd either talk to the professor in private (or email him), or not do anything at all. Standing up and playing Spartacus in front of the class will just make you the butt of jokes for years to come. And the professor might be nonplussed that you tried something like this without speaking to him first, because it might appear as if you're putting on a show for the class, instead of sincerely addressing him in private.

 

[Uncle_Tbag]

no, my point is that science majors are more tuned for taking science classes and for reading primarily science-dense textbooks where each sentence and each idea has to be taken care for and there isn't as much paper writing, whereas nonscience majors are used to this because its the type of stuff they do in their majors. I'm not saying one is intrinisically harder than the other, i'm saying that each major ismeant for different people and to force science majors to take a class that is usually a weakness for them (and this classs is reading-intensive, we've had to read the republic, thucydides pelopennesian war, antigone, the aeneid, and a really dense history book in the past 3 weeks just to give you an idea).

My point is really a matter of tit-for-tat --- yes i know nothing will probably happen, but it does give nonscience majors an academic class to take 1 year of an 8 credit clsas (4 credits each, very hefty), and if they're taking a class at that intensity, why shouldn't they take a class like organic to be well-rounded as well (afterall science gen-eds are much easier and are a joke compared to the liberal arts gen-eds)

No one should be allowed out of a four year program without a sampling of classical greek and roman history and lit. Be thankful for it, med schools want well-rounded people and you may appreciate it more when the MCAT verbal section rears its ugly head.

 

[Rafa]

I've only been on Wikipedia 2 or 3 times, because I found information that was COMPLETELY WRONG, so I don't go there for info anymore.

It's not a credible source at all, and is often very biased on certain topics.

This is what happens when people can edit information at will. Does that make sense?

I agree that on political issues, it's a ten foot pole site. I don't go there for info on anything related to the current administration, or to anything involving the American relationship with Israel, or anything involving the Middle East, actually, because if the issue is even vaguely political, people will battle over it to the death. But if you use it to check out purely scientific topics (not abortion, but say the definitions of genes, proteins, molecules, and DNA), it's a great flyover site. I do agree that the site will likely never be perfect as long as people can edit at will, but the site, IMO, does a lot more good than bad. If you read information on a non-pol topic that's incorrect, change it. That's what the site is for. Sometimes it'll just be someone who went through and put stupid stuff there. If you click on the history tab, you can look at every previous version of the page that ever existed. Often going back before the last editor's post will be enough to clear trollisms. But if you don't want to do that, you don't have to - someone'll pop by and take care of it. But again - for non-political scientific concepts, themes, and issues, the site is invaluable, especially for layfolk.

edit: And I wouldn't use the site for sourcing, but since the larger articles usually provide dozens of links to support the text, you can go to those and use them - or use google/pubmed etc to follow up on themes and concepts addressed in the text.

 

[jackieMD2007]

a'ight so here'z the game plan step by step:

1) enter class 2) sit awkwardly next to friends/classmates and be like ummm hi 3) either make eye-contact with professor or look down at the desk as though i killed Barney 4) listen to professor give us a spiel on ethics and stuff 5) end of class - be like "At the time, i realized that what I did was wrong when I did it, but that I realize now what you did was wrong and it won't happen again."

DO YOU GUYS think it would be better if i said this outloud in front of class and apologize in front of everyone?

I seriously doubt anyone thinks that what happened was a big-deal, and I think it would really serve the purpose of 3 things 1) impressing the professor that i was "brave" enough to say it in front of class 2) let everyone realize how silly this is 3) make the tools who told on me feel even like bigger tools

You know what? If I was you, I would just lay low on the whole thing.
What you did was probably not the best idea, because email is forever and paper trails, well, are paper trails. Can bite the best of us in the backside.
Everyone knows it was you. If in your heart of hearts you don't think what you did is wrong, you shouldn't apologize. People can tell when you're apologizing not because you are sorry (and wouldn't do something like it again) but because you have other motives (the three things you've listed above).

Trust me, the prof is not going to have a revelation that what he did was wrong. The people who forwarded the email do not feel like tools, I promise. People who "Rat Out" others don't ever feel sorry for doing it--because they believe they are in the right or they wouldn't have risked doing it in the first place.

Finally, I am a little tired of the "I'm a science major and humanities are soooooooooooooooo hard!" argument going on here. Take it Pass/Not Pass if you can't do it and must take it or shut up, put up and get an A. Nobody in that class cares if you think the curriculum is leaving things out, boring, not applicable to life, or flat out lies. I personally thought a lot of the humanities classes I took in college had a lot of BS work! Guess what? People who don't like science think our labs are a bunch of BS, too.

Two sides to the coin, my friend.
I guess what I'm trying to say is: don't try to fight battles you aren't going to win with these people.

 

[Uncle_Tbag]

a'ight so here'z the game plan step by step:

1) enter class 2) sit awkwardly next to friends/classmates and be like ummm hi 3) either make eye-contact with professor or look down at the desk as though i killed Barney 4) listen to professor give us a spiel on ethics and stuff 5) end of class - be like "At the time, i realized that what I did was wrong when I did it, but that I realize now what you did was wrong and it won't happen again."

DO YOU GUYS think it would be better if i said this outloud in front of class and apologize in front of everyone?

I seriously doubt anyone thinks that what happened was a big-deal, and I think it would really serve the purpose of 3 things 1) impressing the professor that i was "brave" enough to say it in front of class 2) let everyone realize how silly this is 3) make the tools who told on me feel even like bigger tools

Personally I think that's a really bad idea and is only going to embarrass you and potentially hurt your grade. Apologize to him humbly and then kick-ass in the class. Think of getting an A as your revenge.

 

[masterMood]

Personally I think that's a really bad idea and is only going to embarrass you and potentially hurt your grade. Apologize to him humbly and then kick-ass in the class. Think of getting an A as your revenge.

good advice from you and jackie as well.

I think i will apologize to him in person after class and let it be

like prev. poster said, "don't try to fight battles you aren't going to win with these people."

 

[Psycho Doctor]

If you haven't taken the test yet, then you have not cheated. The prof may be angry that he has to write the test, but you have not cheated.

You also did not yet share the questions or answers; just asked if people wanted to...so as of now you did NOT cheat./ he may hold it against you that you attempted to. If I were you I'd e-mail him or speak to him privately and apologize and say you didn't realize it was cheating, since he said it was ok to share the questions with others. Say you now understand how it was cheating and had you realized that at the time you never would have done it and it will never happen again.

When is the class?

 

[jackieMD2007]

Hang in there.

You've learned a lesson here and now you just get to move on.

When you're in med school you'll laugh about worrying about this kind of crap.

Also, now you know the ominous power of email. Oh, and the ominous power of people to rat you out.

BTW don't forget that at some places, if you know or witness someone might be cheating, and you don't narc them out, you could be held accountable as well. Or whatever. Just stay out of the hot water all together. 👍

 

[Psycho Doctor]

This may be a mute (or is it moot? I can never remember...) point, but how can someone who actively participates in class but who gets 0%'s on all the quizzes still get an A+ in the class? If they're both weighted 10%, zeros on quizzes at my school would leave me with a maximum of 90%. Am I missing something?

Maybe this tidbit is a testament to his inability to properly instruct a course.

i was thinking the same thing, unless the prof drops a grade

 

[Psycho Doctor]

Yeah but the professor said they could exchange questions, but not the answers. This is like the professor saying, "Problems 1-5 will be on the quiz", then you make a copy of his teacher's edition and know all the answers without solving them yourself.

Dude Brett what happened to the MCAT blog, I am disappointed, very disappointed!

did he actually say you couldn't exchange the answers? If so, then I agree it's an attempt to cheat, and you need to be humble and admit you used poor judgement.

 

[Dr.Acula]

Definitly WOULD have been cheating had you taken the quiz knowing the questions and answers. However, since you never took that quiz then no it is not explicitly cheating, but I do see how the prof could cite you for academic dishonesty if he/she wanted to.

 

[kevster2001]

this prof sounds like a lazy bastard

 

[leviathan]

so when (and if) i have to talk the professor should i try to tell him its not cheating or would that probably piss him off and make my condition worse.

What this really comes down to is, is that this class is a requirement (at 200 level) and its reading intense/writing intense and its not fair to the science majors because they have to put in much mroe work than the nonscience majors, and they don't make the nonscience majors take a science class at the 200 level.

But most importantly, why I hate this class, is because this class is too EUROCENTRIC, and its telling me (and i'm not white), that our society and culture today came from the Greeks and Romans, and all of a sudden we're here today because of that.

I think this whole class is junk because they skip out on a 1000 years of non-Western history that played a much more important role than the Greeks or Romans did.

These are my reasons why I don't think this class is very useful and why I don't believe its worth my time to read into this.

If these are my main objections with the class, do you think its worth it to tell the professor that, and see if he understands why i think the class is not very useful?

Finally, could I argue that it would've been better if he gave us the quiz himself (because his quizzes are easier and more standard), rather than having much more discrepancy with 20 kids who could come up with questions of the most random things. And by sending the email to everyone in the class, i didn't just talk to 4-5 kids in the class so it would be unfair in that sense too (and more unethical) because it would've happened (because some kids were going to talk to each other and have an unfair advantage).

Seriously....you need to suck it up, buttercup.

 

[leviathan]

Umm what??? First off, Americans don't fall behind in science and math compared to the rest of the world. Have you even seen stats for the rest of the world? Are those pesky African nations ahead of us again? Are we trailing behind Mexico? That's a ridiculous assumption.

That statement sounds very pretentious and possibly even racist. No, America doesn't fall behind developing nations in its mathematics performance, but it DOES fall behind almost every single Western nation in the world.

 

[leviathan]

I've only been on Wikipedia 2 or 3 times, because I found information that was COMPLETELY WRONG, so I don't go there for info anymore.

It's not a credible source at all, and is often very biased on certain topics.

This is what happens when people can edit information at will. Does that make sense?

Did you even read that link he posted? You're arguing against objective, scientific proof of its accuracy with your n=3 anecdotal visits to the site? Does that make sense?

 

[MedStudentWanna]

That statement sounds very pretentious and possibly even racist. No, America doesn't fall behind developing nations in its mathematics performance, but it DOES fall behind almost every single Western nation in the world.

Oh please. I didn't say anything racist. The guy said that America falls behind "the rest of the world." My point was that that was an exaggeration. That's hardly racist. Anyway, dude, I'm from Mexico and Mexico was the country I cited.

 

[MedStudentWanna]

That statement sounds very pretentious and possibly even racist. No, America doesn't fall behind developing nations in its mathematics performance, but it DOES fall behind almost every single Western nation in the world.

Oh please. I didn't say anything racist. The guy said that America falls behind "the rest of the world." My point was that that was an exaggeration. That's hardly racist. Anyway, dude, I'm from Mexico and Mexico was the country I cited.

 

[MacchinaDaCaffe]

Okay so in a class we have (summer class), our professor said that he would let each student in the class make up 1 question for the quiz that we would have tomorrow. Well, I thought that it would be easier if I sent an e-mail out to the class seeing if they would want to show us their question and their answer through e-mail, and then some douchebag decided to tell the professor, and nwo the professor said that this was cheating. I hope nothing comes from this, but the professor said that this was blatant cheating because he said that he didn't mind if we shared the questions but we elected to share the answers. But i don't see how this is cheating if the whole idea was bad to begin with?

In my opinion it's not cheating. That would be if you had actually taken the exam and used the answers that the students distributed...but it does seem to be academic dishonesty, considering that the professor explicitly stated that you could share questions (but not answers). Not sure what type of punishment academic dishonesty entails...

On a side note. You are a sorry excuse for a pre-med. "Share the answers"? Whatever happened to making the hardest possible question to assert your dominance, get an A and strike fear in the hearts of all your fellow students? This should be second nature to you. Come on man, get with the program 😉

 

[univscience]

oh man, who's the gunner who emailed the prof?

the professor set him self up for something to go wrong like this. it isn't the "honest" way he assumed everyone would go about, but in the end it all points to him.

i'm interested, how many people responded with their question and answer?

 

[nubbey24]

Trying to cheat is cheating. Example: If you are in class and you lean over to look off of someones paper but the person covers the paper in time, you do not reap the benifits of cheating but you nonetheless would still be considered a cheat. Just because the attempt is unsuccessfull does not negate the motive. This is no different. Just admit that you did something wrong and move on. The professor is not going to be out to get you. Just own up to some poor judgement and I am sure that everyone will put it behind. You are not the first nor the last to have a temporary lack of judgement. I am sure many of us have had similar situations but just may not have gotten caught.
Good luck, and just be calm and take whatever the professor gives you. As I have had students who have cheated and then tried to be accusatory towards me, I would say that I tend not to treat them as kindly. If they admit their wrong doing however, I have always given them a second chance with very minor penalties so long as they own up to it. Do the right thing and this will all be water under the bridge.

 

[Reimat]

That's one lazy ass professor.

True that. Talk about the classic "prof doesn't wanna work to make up a test" scheme, so make the students create the test for you...

 

[stiffany]

oh man, who's the gunner who emailed the prof?

the professor set him self up for something to go wrong like this. it isn't the "honest" way he assumed everyone would go about, but in the end it all points to him.

i'm interested, how many people responded with their question and answer?

Does a professor set himself up for cheating when a no internet/open book take home exam is given with stipulations about not using outside resources over than the textbook? While the answer may be "Yes" in the gunner world of premed-dom, it doesn't make going against the stipulations of the assignment any less wrong on the part of the cheater and certainly shouldn't be construed as the professor's fault. According to my school's academic integrity policy, I'd say the OP was uber wrong in attempting to get the questions and answers for the quiz. I also think the professor, while perhaps not doing his part with the class, is being more than lenient in not punishing the OP for attempting to get the answers before the quiz.

In addition, some schools (including mine) have a policy whereby, if you facilitate cheating (through sharing certain notes, exam questions say when you take an exam before the next period's class does or what have you, etcetera), you can also be carted over to the Office of Student Conduct for an academic integrity violation. So, OP, I'd say toughen up and just be glad your chances for med school (since academic dishonesty throws them away) haven't been trashed.

As far as the whining about science majors being forced to take nonscience classes, it's called a "liberal arts" education. Maybe at your school the nonscience majors don't have to take math or science oriented classes or maybe they don't have to take additional humanities like you do. At my school, as a nonscience premed though, I still suffered through history classes that I had no interest in initially due to the lengthy reading and math classes that I didn't feel were exceptionally useful for my goal of doing cultural based clinical research, because I had to! Don't think that once you get to medical school you'll be able to pick and choose requirements based on whether or not you feel like they're relevant. Even if you have no interest whatsoever in surgery, you'll rotate through the surgical rotation. Or, even if you never want to see patients and instead want to be a pathologist, if your school has them, you'll still go through "doctoring" and "cultural sensitivity" oriented classes. So, just be glad you didn't screw yourself over too much, get used to doing things that don't perfectly fit into your scheme of things, and focus on getting an A in this class so that, while annoying, it'll cover your requirement and further help your GPA instead of screwing you over.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

no, my point is that science majors are more tuned for taking science classes and for reading primarily science-dense textbooks where each sentence and each idea has to be taken care for and there isn't as much paper writing, whereas nonscience majors are used to this because its the type of stuff they do in their majors. I'm not saying one is intrinisically harder than the other, i'm saying that each major ismeant for different people and to force science majors to take a class that is usually a weakness for them (and this classs is reading-intensive, we've had to read the republic, thucydides pelopennesian war, antigone, the aeneid, and a really dense history book in the past 3 weeks just to give you an idea).

My point is really a matter of tit-for-tat --- yes i know nothing will probably happen, but it does give nonscience majors an academic class to take 1 year of an 8 credit clsas (4 credits each, very hefty), and if they're taking a class at that intensity, why shouldn't they take a class like organic to be well-rounded as well (afterall science gen-eds are much easier and are a joke compared to the liberal arts gen-eds)

You know, there is value in being academically well-rounded. Good reading and writing skills are important regardless of your profession.

 

[Doctor~Detroit]

Okay so in a class we have (summer class), our professor said that he would let each student in the class make up 1 question for the quiz that we would have tomorrow. Well, I thought that it would be easier if I sent an e-mail out to the class seeing if they would want to show us their question and their answer through e-mail, and then some douchebag decided to tell the professor, and nwo the professor said that this was cheating. I hope nothing comes from this, but the professor said that this was blatant cheating because he said that he didn't mind if we shared the questions but we elected to share the answers. But i don't see how this is cheating if the whole idea was bad to begin with?

hmm. i had thought "cheaters never whine"? oh wait, it's "win."

 

[jace's mom]

In answer to the original question, yes, I would classify what you did as an attempt to cheat. You got caught and thus were not able to follow through, but you attempted to cheat all the same. I'm having a bit of a hard time accepting that you didn't realize it yourself on some level, and I think part of the reason you've asked us is because you want validation. That's also the reason you've been throwing in the comments about the class content. As other posters have said, the quality of the class has no bearing on your recent action or the possible consequences; don't confuse the two issues. Also, you can't blame the person who reported this to the professor. He was protecting his academic career, and he also might have felt strongly that your behavior was wrong. You made a bad decision, and you must accept the blame for it.

I'm sorry if I'm blunt, but you did ask.

 

[DoctorPardi]

did he actually say you couldn't exchange the answers? If so, then I agree it's an attempt to cheat, and you need to be humble and admit you used poor judgement.

Is that really necessary? I am sure there are teacher's editions of most books on ebay, but it is pretty well implied you can't buy one and turn in all your homework copied straight out of the teacher's edition without being called a cheater.

 

[UMP]

where is the camraderie between classmates? someone trying to "turn you in" is what I find more disturbing... i'd organize a lynch party for the douche-bag that ruined your great idea

 

[UMP]

anyone else find the nurse shaking in DoctorPardi's avatar as hypnotizing as I do ?

 

[MDCali]

In one of my courses, the professor told us that we would write the questions to the final exam (since the second half of the course had students lecturing each other about their own research). Each student (about 40 students in the class) was to make five questions. Most of the questions had long and complicated scientific answers. I remember speaking to the prof about this and he told me that he didn't mind if students shared answers. He said if we could remember all those answers, we deserve an A haha.

To me, it seems kind of naiive of the prof. to think that students won't share answers with each other.

 

[CardiacIntensivist]

OP - I'm probably beating a dead horse here but the professor might not have actually cared if anyone shared answer. He's not stupid, he might have actually expected it. However, because he found out about it, he is required to take action and so you are in the predicament are are in. It really sucks but people make mistakes all the time. Chalk it up as a lesson and now you know you won't make the same mistake (hopefully). I sit on my University's J-Board and constantly see hearings where the kid made one bad mistake in his life. My advice for you now is that if charges are brought against you for your current situation, make sure you spend the rest of your undergraduate career being as good as possible as a second charge might bring forth some truly nasty sanctions, regardless of whether the first and second charges are related.

 

[Karl_Hungus]

Oh come on...
A thread with this title and not one reply of
"No, it's not cheating 'cause it's your dog!!!

/Plus, this thread needs a bump in the humorous direction

 

[BigKurz]

I agree with jace's mom on this mom. The fact that you even came to the board looking for validation reveals--at LEAST to a limited degree--that you are not completely sure that what you did shouldn't be considered cheating.

I'm surprised you've received as much support on this board as I've read. This seems to me a blatant attempt to cheat. Furthermore, validation on this board doesn't change the fact that your prof believes you cheated, and I dont think the "Poll of SDN users" argument will fly. I'd make it clear to him you were not exactly sure this was cheating, but concede that it was in fact wrong and go from there.

 

[jace's mom]

I'm surprised you've received as much support on this board as I've read.

Yes, this surprised me as well.

 

[BigKurz]

This may be a mute (or is it moot? I can never remember...) point, but how can someone who actively participates in class but who gets 0%'s on all the quizzes still get an A+ in the class? If they're both weighted 10%, zeros on quizzes at my school would leave me with a maximum of 90%. Am I missing something?

Maybe this tidbit is a testament to his inability to properly instruct a course.

Can we get this clarified? LOL

 

[silas2642]

good advice from you and jackie as well.

I think i will apologize to him in person after class and let it be

like prev. poster said, "don't try to fight battles you aren't going to win with these people."

Look, whether or not the professor is lazy, stupid, or what not, is not the issue. The issue is that you did something wrong, admit it and move on. The big question here is whether or not he is going to report you to the school-- if this is going to go on your record, then you are in a huge amount of trouble. If it isn't, learn your lesson and don't do it again.

 

[EddieIndy]

OP - I'm probably beating a dead horse here but the professor might not have actually cared if anyone shared answer. He's not stupid, he might have actually expected it. However, because he found out about it, he is required to take action and so you are in the predicament are are in. It really sucks but people make mistakes all the time. Chalk it up as a lesson and now you know you won't make the same mistake (hopefully). I sit on my University's J-Board and constantly see hearings where the kid made one bad mistake in his life. My advice for you now is that if charges are brought against you for your current situation, make sure you spend the rest of your undergraduate career being as good as possible as a second charge might bring forth some truly nasty sanctions, regardless of whether the first and second charges are related.

I agree with you, the prof probably knew answered will be shared, but once some douche emailed him, he thought that if he agrees to this, the same douche can email the Dean and then things might get ugly for him as well...

 

[BirdmanRA]

OP - I'm probably beating a dead horse here but the professor might not have actually cared if anyone shared answer. He's not stupid, he might have actually expected it. However, because he found out about it, he is required to take action and so you are in the predicament are are in. It really sucks but people make mistakes all the time. Chalk it up as a lesson and now you know you won't make the same mistake (hopefully). I sit on my University's J-Board and constantly see hearings where the kid made one bad mistake in his life. My advice for you now is that if charges are brought against you for your current situation, make sure you spend the rest of your undergraduate career being as good as possible as a second charge might bring forth some truly nasty sanctions, regardless of whether the first and second charges are related.

I'm going to have to agree with remarka3le on this one. I'm a J-board member at my school as well...this kind of thing wouldn't fly with our board either. If he doesn't bring charges, thank your lucky stars and just move on. Never mention it again and you should be fine. If you go before the board...plead insanity. just kidding, but it might be hard to fight nonetheless. ok, enough beating the dead horse. (and yes, its "moot" for the poster above)

 

[Doctor~Detroit]

where is the camraderie between classmates? someone trying to "turn you in" is what I find more disturbing... i'd organize a lynch party for the douche-bag that ruined your great idea

the prof was indeed naive to structure the quiz like he did, because the natural outcome would be for questions to be shared unequally among those willing to act unethically in the class (largely according to friendship cliques within the class). the op basically made an attempt to have the illicit knowledge be shared equally among all in the class, but his attempt was public. i'd wager he was ratted out by someone in the class who was 1) acting ethically by not sharing questions and 2) freaked out at the idea of much of the class knowing all the questions/answers when their ethics prevented them from having that advantage. the natural course of action for the ethical person concerned with their own grade (like everyone else) was to rat out the op.

the only leeway i'll give the op is that ethical behavior in academia is not always clear-cut. there was a big scandal this last year over plagiarism between two sociologists at upenn. while nothing was stolen word-for-word, the junior faculty wrote a book whose key *concepts* mimicked those of a more established senior faculty's works. the junior faculty claims it was coincidence--that what she observed simply led her to the same ideas. since the senior faculty is so noteworthy and in the same department, i think at best she mimicked his ideas subconsciously.

a friend of mine teaches at a university with many foreign students. he just had to get a student from africa in trouble for blatant cut-and-pasting from the internet for a paper (didn't even change the font 🙄 ). he taked to other faculty about this, who told him that students from china will often do similar plagiarism without even thinking there's anything wrong with it. something is supposedly different about the culture that makes a certain type of plagiarism ethical.

still, i think the op cheated, and his posts show that he knew better.

 

[Oculus Sinistra]

Okay so in a class we have (summer class), our professor said that he would let each student in the class make up 1 question for the quiz that we would have tomorrow. Well, I thought that it would be easier if I sent an e-mail out to the class seeing if they would want to show us their question and their answer through e-mail, and then some douchebag decided to tell the professor, and nwo the professor said that this was cheating. I hope nothing comes from this, but the professor said that this was blatant cheating because he said that he didn't mind if we shared the questions but we elected to share the answers. But i don't see how this is cheating if the whole idea was bad to begin with?

Wow, this whole thing is so ridiculous. If you don't know the material, why are you the professor?

 

[iriechic14]

masterMOOD, you officially get a 0% for class participation. and if you do a class presentation you can expect a solid C. oh yea, and your prof is a) dumb b) a douchebag and c) a toolbag

 

[45408]

it's a bad idea if the professor leaves the answer key on his desk and leaves the room, but it's still cheating if you read all the answers.

doesn't really matter how good or bad the idea is...getting all of the answers before a test is cheating.

No, it's using the answers on the test that would be cheating. No cheating has been committed, although it does sound like a conspiracy to commit cheating.

 

[billybama]

I don't see how this ISN'T cheating.