Is this just the beginning?

[DrProtonX]

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Every year doximity comes out with a salary survey result that shows Rad Onc compensation despite all the cuts, residency expansion, hypofrac etc not only isn’t going down but it’s actually going up! Well, not anymore, looks like rad onc numbers is finally starting to reflect all the above. Rad onc is overtaken by GI, rad, gas, derm and med onc.

 

[Ray D. Ayshun]

Every year doximity comes out with a salary survey result that shows Rad Onc compensation despite all the cuts, residency expansion, hypofrac etc not only isn’t going down but it’s actually going up! Well, not anymore, looks like rad onc numbers is finally starting to reflect all the above. Rad onc is overtaken by GI, rad, gas, derm and med onc.
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New Grad though. I started below that and went up. 492 is higher than I thought new grads would be getting.

 

[drowsy12]

492 new grad average is pretty good. surprised.

 

[Gfunk6]

Agree, my 2011 starting comp as a new grad, adjusted for inflation, was way below that $492k number.

 

[TheWallnerus]

I won’t even say data, I’ll just say history… history has proven as our reimbursement has gone down, our MGMA and Doximity salaries have gone up. (Don’t ask me if they’re “real,” no opinion.) It’s crazy but linear regression is saying if we can get regular EBRT down to a dollar a fraction median rad onc salary will be a million dollars a year.

 

[WildRivers]

New grad salaries are high at hospitals! I don't know many that don't start >$500k. Large local system in metro Detroit is redoing comp and starting will be higher than that. Rural MI hospitals I've said before are significantly higher than $492k.

I actually think that number is low for hospital employed position. I'm guessing it is more like $550-600k

 

[A_DeMichele]

I don't see Doximity data for a small specialty as serious

 

[yesmaster]

The survey data is not as interesting or accurate as (A) aggregate CMS specialty reimbursement divided by (B) total physicians for a given specialty. Rad onc has not been successful in protecting our reimbursement or regulating our workforce.

 

[yesmaster]

The numbers are not accurate. Friends in neurosurgery, GI, radiology etc. make much more than the survey averages.

 

[drowsy12]

lol you literally did the meme.

every single time, for years going back now. it's always:

The Wallnernus: 'This can't be right!!!!! My convoluted misguided math/long tweet threads say otherwise. I can't be missing something'
Others: surveys are wrong.


rinse and repeat.

 

[drowsy12]

The numbers are not accurate. Friends in neurosurgery, GI, radiology etc. make much more than the survey averages.

new grad and average are terms you should review though.

 

[TheWallnerus]

lol you literally did the meme.

every single time, for years going back now. it's always:

The Wallnernus: 'This can't be right!!!!! My convoluted misguided math/long tweet threads say otherwise. I can't be missing something'
Others: surveys are wrong.


rinse and repeat.

No, it’s right. I was always wrong.

 

[radoncftw]

New grad salaries are high at hospitals! I don't know many that don't start >$500k. Large local system in metro Detroit is redoing comp and starting will be higher than that. Rural MI hospitals I've said before are significantly higher than $492k.

I actually think that number is low for hospital employed position. I'm guessing it is more like $550-600k

curious what benefits look like at some of the rural hospital employed gigs. Retirement, HSA, health insurance cost/quality, etc
While cash is king, some positions (PP, employed through large academic center for examples) do offer other benefits that do contribute to "total compensation".

 

[Lamount]

No, it’s right. I was always wrong.

Its hard to capture the fact that we are all SBRTing a whole bunch of oligomets these days...

 

[WildRivers]

curious what benefits look like at some of the rural hospital employed gigs. Retirement, HSA, health insurance cost/quality, etc
While cash is king, some positions (PP, employed through large academic center for examples) do offer other benefits that do contribute to "total compensation".

The ones I know do offer typical retirement match, nothing amazing but better than my current ($0!). Health insurance is fine, bcbs is statewide.