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The article I just read on Medscape showed these RN's in N Cal making 136k a year, is that right??

September 21, 2011 — Roughly 23,000 members of the California Nurses Association (CNA) plan to be no-shows on September 22 at several dozen hospitals in what organizers call the largest nurses' strike in the nation's history.

The 1-day strike comes amid negotiations between the CNA and 8 individual hospitals operated by nonprofit Sutter Health in northern California that have run aground largely on 2 rocky economic issues for all Americans: healthcare coverage and retirement benefits.

The CNA belongs to an aggressive "super union" with close to 160,000 members called National Nurses United. Its avowed goal is to unionize every registered nurse in the United States. In June 2010, its affiliate in Minnesota organized a 1-day strike by 12,000 nurses in the Twin Cities over wages, pension benefits, and staffing levels. At the time, that walk-off was billed as the biggest nurses' strike ever.

The scheduled California strike affects not only 8 Sutter hospitals, some with multiple campuses, but also 22 Kaiser Permanente hospitals in northern California, as well as Children's Hospital Oakland. The latter hospital is also embroiled in contract negotiations with the CNA, but the Kaiser facilities are not. The Kaiser nurses are instead striking out of sympathy with Kaiser employees belonging to the National Union of Healthcare Workers, whose members include mental health professionals, audiologists, and speech pathologists, in addition to registered nurses. Some 2500 of these National Union of Healthcare Workers members, currently locked in contract talks, began 2-day and 3-day strikes today at Kaiser facilities in southern California. Another 1500 NUWH members employed by Kaiser in northern California will engage in a 1-day walk-off tomorrow.

CNA nurses are scheduled to begin walking picket lines at 7 am tomorrow around the hospitals being struck. The picket lines will come down at 7 am the next day.

Sutter Health, Kaiser Permanente, and Children's Hospital Oakland have assured the public that they will continue to deliver top-notch care during the 1-day strike. That translates into hiring temporary replacement nurses.

Unrealistic Demands? Or a Rich, Stingy Employer?

The sticking points in the talks between the CNA and Sutter vary hospital by hospital, as each one contracts separately with its nurses. Nevertheless, several themes have emerged: The union contends that the hospitals are trying to reduce nurses' benefits, and the hospitals say that nurses are making unreasonable economic demands.

The union, for example, claims that Sutter hospitals want to eliminate or sharply reduce retiree healthcare coverage. The way Sutter sees it, the nurses are asking for free healthcare after they retire.

"The union is pushing unrealistic proposals that will increase the cost of healthcare," Sutter Health communications director Karen Garner told Medscape Medical News.

The term "free healthcare" is misleading, however. Joe Lindsay, director of the CNA's Sutter division, said that some Sutter facilities that once paid healthcare insurance premiums in full for retired nurses now want retirees to pick up part of the cost. Otherwise, they are responsible for copays and deductibles similar to others with insurance.

Businesses in every sector of the economy have been shifting more of their healthcare costs to employees and retirees, so what Sutter wants to do is not startling. When asked why nurses should be exempt from this cost-shifting, Lindsay told Medscape Medical News that the CNA and National Nurses United want unhindered access to healthcare for every American in the form of a single-payer system, which could happen, for example, if Medicare coverage is extended to all citizens.

Pensions represent another bone of contention. Sutter claims that the CNA wants pensions doubled at some hospitals, even though the average full-time nurse at Sutter already can retire at $84,000 a year.

"We're committed to offering our nurses competitive wages and benefits," said Garner, adding that the average full-time Sutter nurse under a CNA contract earns $136,000 a year.

Lindsay said the union is not seeking doubled pensions, and that Sutter is overstating what retirees receive.

The CNA repeatedly emphasizes that Sutter Health can afford to take care of its nurses, pointing to its reported income of roughly $900 million in 2010. It also chastises the system for "abandoning" certain communities by shutting down or curtailing less-profitable services at its hospitals. Garner said Sutter has simply altered its services in response to changing demographics.

The tit-for-tat continues on the subject of quality of care. The CNA portrays Sutter as trying to muzzle nurses who attempt to advocate for patients. In turn, Garner said that the union "has rejected almost every proposal that helps us deliver services more efficiently and effectively."

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When I think of unions, I think of American autoworkers bolting doors onto cars for $50/hour, so I don't find it surprising that a union for nurses has gotten their pay up that high. Even adjusted for cost of living in that area, that's a nice check.

I don't necessarily agree with unions, and this kind of mass walk out doesn't give the public a positive image of hospital care of staff.

Can you include a link to the article in your post please? :)
 
Don't think a link will work since you have to be logged into medscape to view it. You can easily get a medscape acct for free and once you log in it should be one of the top stories or be easily found via search
 
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...aaaaand cue the next repub/dem debate topic.

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consider the source, the person from Sutter is saying the avg. nurse makes $136k...that figure likely factors in overtime and clinical specialists skewing the average, so your rank-and-file floor nurse isn't pulling in $136k. This is likely a PR move to make the union look greedy.

The on-the-street typical RN salary for 40-ish hours a week is somewhere between $90k-$110k.

Remember, CA has mandatory overtime laws that pay 1.5x your hourly rate for any hours worked after 8 and 2x hourly rate for hours after 12 regardless if you break 40 in a week. A nurse that works 3 x 12 hours in a week earns more than a nurse that works 36 hours capped at 8hrs/day.
 
consider the source, the person from Sutter is saying the avg. nurse makes $136k...that figure likely factors in overtime and clinical specialists skewing the average, so your rank-and-file floor nurse isn't pulling in $136k. This is likely a PR move to make the union look greedy.

The on-the-street typical RN salary for 40-ish hours a week is somewhere between $90k-$110k.

Remember, CA has mandatory overtime laws that pay 1.5x your hourly rate for any hours worked after 8 and 2x hourly rate for hours after 12 regardless if you break 40 in a week. A nurse that works 3 x 12 hours in a week earns more than a nurse that works 36 hours capped at 8hrs/day.

Still totally insane considering an RN (regular staff) in the Midwest probably gets between 40-70k, while a pharmacist gets 100-130; and based on what you're saying an RN gets 90+ in Cali, while a pharmacist there has a comprable salary to the Midwest (and I know some areas of the Midwest make more than average areas in Cali) So my basic ? is why is there such a small wage difference and if there is why would all the sheeple going to the devry style pharm school startups in Cali who are only in it for the $$ not just be an RN? Heck I'd even consider being an RN in Cali for that kind of bank and they have a really tough work environment (bodily fluid exposures, crazy patients/family of patients, rude/arrogant staff you'd have to deal with, etc)
 
Heck I'd even consider being an RN in Cali for that kind of bank and they have a really tough work environment (bodily fluid exposures, crazy patients/family of patients, rude/arrogant staff you'd have to deal with, etc)
Don't forget idiotic pharmacists who refuse to send you meds that you need, and if they do send them, they hide them in a hard to reach place.
 
When I think of unions, I think of American autoworkers bolting doors onto cars for $50/hour, so I don't find it surprising that a union for nurses has gotten their pay up that high. Even adjusted for cost of living in that area, that's a nice check.

I don't necessarily agree with unions, and this kind of mass walk out doesn't give the public a positive image of hospital care of staff.

Can you include a link to the article in your post please? :)


Must be nice to have an organization that supports their nurses' rights. If only we had something like this in pharmacy we could get small perks like a lunch break and time to take a pee. Or maybe adequate staffing to prevent overwork errors. But that's right, Unions are horrible things
 
Still totally insane considering an RN (regular staff) in the Midwest probably gets between 40-70k, while a pharmacist gets 100-130; and based on what you're saying an RN gets 90+ in Cali, while a pharmacist there has a comprable salary to the Midwest (and I know some areas of the Midwest make more than average areas in Cali) So my basic ? is why is there such a small wage difference and if there is why would all the sheeple going to the devry style pharm school startups in Cali who are only in it for the $$ not just be an RN? Heck I'd even consider being an RN in Cali for that kind of bank and they have a really tough work environment (bodily fluid exposures, crazy patients/family of patients, rude/arrogant staff you'd have to deal with, etc)

I'll get you an updated # later tonight/by monday, but my range is generally correct. Remember, even at 40 hours a week, there could be overtime built in due to CA's 8 hour/OT rule. Pharmacists see OT but not to the extent that nurses do due to the nature of the job.
 
Must be nice to have an organization that supports their nurses' rights. If only we had something like this in pharmacy we could get small perks like a lunch break and time to take a pee. Or maybe adequate staffing to prevent overwork errors. But that's right, Unions are horrible things

It's perception... nurses are loving creatures who are at your bedside and whose history steeped in iconic imagery of Red Cross nurses.

Pharmacists are those creepy guys with handlebar mustaches and chemistry sets that make drugs in the basement, and apparently they take pills and put them into different containers per jerry seinfeld.
 
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