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I don't use Premed101 (never even heard about it). But this link also talks about SDN.

http://bemoacademicconsulting.com/blog/files/top-5-reasons-to-avoid-online-premed-forums

Mainly, is it true that students could be traced back and get in trouble for what they've asked on these forums? I think that's just bull****, but I'm sort of scared about asking stupid stuff now.

Also, has anyone ever used BeMo is it worth it?
 

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Mainly, is it true that students could be traced back and get in trouble for what they've asked on these forums? I think that's just bull****, but I'm sort of scared about asking stupid stuff now. Also, has anyone ever used BeMo is it worth it?

Something to consider: The application process is scary, and applicants have questions. Applicants can get free advice at SDN, or pay for advice from consultants like BeMo. The consultants want to stay in business, so they have a profit motive in discouraging applicants from seeking free answers at SDN or other premed websites.
 
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This is why anonymity is so important. A good strategy is to post in such a way that you wouldn't be embarrassed if people found out about your online presence.
 
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Consider the source/bias

It is a consulting company trying to dissuade you from using forums for advice. Yes some of what they say may be true, but a savvy forum user can usually sift through the crap and find some amazing advice/information! SDN has been so incredibly helpful for me and I've gained so much knowledge that not only helped me get into medical school, but also taught me more about how to succeed in medical school and what happens afterwards.
 
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Something to consider: The application process is scary, and applicants have questions. Applicants can get free advice at SDN, or pay for advice from consultants like BeMo. The consultants want to stay in business, so they have a profit motive in discouraging applicants from seeking free answers at SDN or other premed websites.

That's what I assumed, they just said that so students could pay for there consultations
 

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Consider the source/bias

It is a consulting company trying to dissuade you from using forums for advice. Yes some of what they say may be true, but a savvy forum user can usually sift through the crap and find some amazing advice/information! SDN has been so incredibly helpful for me and I've gained so much knowledge that not only helped me get into medical school, but also taught me more about how to succeed in medical school and what happens afterwards.

I really enjoy SDN too, I had no idea about the application process and these forums have really helped me. I'm just worried about being traced back, I mean I haven't said anything bad but just the thought that your sitting in front of an interviewer and s/he knows your SDN username creeps me out.
 
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I do potentially see the problem with the "hive-mind" mentality mentioned (where a false piece of information gets adopted/repeated by everyone), but I feel as though that is less of a problem on sdn. Can't comment on the other forums, but the information that gets spread here generally comes from adcoms and medical students. Plus, you can sift through the shady advice and listen to reputable members, anyway. I think it's a fantastic resource.

Also, it shouldn't be that difficult to not get tracked, unless your username/picture or bits of information you give can construct a specific image.

Make an anonymous username
Profile picture of an animal or object
No specifics that can be easily traced back
???
Profit!
 
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if you say a lot of things that identify yourself like I am a first year, at x university taking chemistry 141 with professor z along with a ton of identifying info, sure you could be identified. the solution is not to do that.
 
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I really enjoy SDN too, I had no idea about the application process and these forums have really helped me. I'm just worried about being traced back, I mean I haven't said anything bad but just the thought that your sitting in front of an interviewer and s/he knows your SDN username creeps me out.
Really? I think that would be cool, especially if you know they frequent.

It's like, I'm ready to be interviewed:
latest

I know you've heard of me.

Of course, instead of superman it's a random online pre-med, but still.. at least you can feign mysteriousness.
 
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I don't use Premed101 (never even heard about it). But this link also talks about SDN.

http://bemoacademicconsulting.com/blog/files/top-5-reasons-to-avoid-online-premed-forums

Mainly, is it true that students could be traced back and get in trouble for what they've asked on these forums? I think that's just bull****, but I'm sort of scared about asking stupid stuff now.

Also, has anyone ever used BeMo is it worth it?
It happened once in all of SDN history. Don't do anything stupid and you're fine.
 
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I don't use Premed101 (never even heard about it). But this link also talks about SDN.

http://bemoacademicconsulting.com/blog/files/top-5-reasons-to-avoid-online-premed-forums

Mainly, is it true that students could be traced back and get in trouble for what they've asked on these forums? I think that's just bull****, but I'm sort of scared about asking stupid stuff now.

Also, has anyone ever used BeMo is it worth it?
I'd take any articles with a conflict of interest with a jar of iodized salt.
 
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"So let’s be clear: Using Premed101 to answer all your questions about how to get into medical school is the same as using Dr. Google to diagnose the cause of your abdominal pain"

This quote stood out to me :rolleyes:
 

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Long as you are asking legitimate questions, you will be fine. Just don't post how you are going to change your race on the application or leave out that you were previously accepted, or lie about your volunteer hours, or not report institutional punishments or DUIs, you will be ok.
 
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"So let’s be clear: Using Premed101 to answer all your questions about how to get into medical school is the same as using Dr. Google to diagnose the cause of your abdominal pain"

This quote stood out to me :rolleyes:

That part's not untrue. You shouldn't just blindly listen to what random people say on either of these sites. You should pay attention to what multiple established posters are telling you, and look up any stats they quote yourself, and confirm the things that they bring to your attention elsewhere. Anyone under 40 should already be extremely used to that though, it's how the internet works. If you're clueless about a subject first you look it up on wikipedia, then you find more reliable information from journals etc.

If @Goro tells you it's not worth your while to apply to a given school, immediately crossing it off your list is a terrible idea, and you're not using SDN to your advantage. Listen to his argument, read the school's site, look at their matriculation stats and then decide for yourself if his comments line up with all that information. While it seems like that shouldn't have to be stated, I guess there are some easily swayed people who will just do whatever anyone tells them to without a second thought. I'd tell those people to stay away from SDN/premed101, normies should be able to handle it.
 
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Well, she's right about the hive mind thing. A lot of people here just repost things they read somewhere else on SDN despite having no real firsthand experience on the matter. I know they're trying to be helpful, or maybe just bored idk, but it's really doing everyone a disservice.
 
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Long as you are asking legitimate questions, you will be fine. Just don't post how you are going to change your race on the application or leave out that you were previously accepted, or lie about your volunteer hours, or not report institutional punishments or DUIs, you will be ok.

To extend that, ask in a professional manner, even if critical. The list of grievous errors that students make include using very inappropriate email/screen names, using the same address/screen name that the schools gets for a website where you talk trash about something, like the school. I was at a presentation by an Adcom Ass't Director for one of the DO schools a few years ago under the heading of :

Not What To Do

Depend on SDN as a reliable resource
Post things about Admissions on SDN (We do read it)
Post questionable photos, remarks or discussions on your Facebook Page!

"My professor is a pain"
"this rotation site stinks"
"Jack and Coke are my best friends"
 
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To extend this topic a bit, assume all social media may be searched and seen by Adcoms so always be professional. One of the admission directors at a particular school is doing her doctorate in social media and medical school admissions. This is a much larger issue for medical residents in applicant selection with many medical specialty academies and GME (residency) programs issue guidelines and, in some cases, strict agreements on social media use while in a program. The reason for this has been patients and families have started to look up doctors who are treating them. A case then was a 3rd year peds residents was treating a young girl and the next day the parents came in screaming to take that doctor away from my daughter or I will sue. Turned out the parents were freaked about a photo from a drunken frat party taken some 10 years earlier was posted on a social media site with this doctor tagged.

In the meanwhile there have been a slew of studies done on this to the point that AAMC has guidelines for applicants (first in list)
https://www.aamc.org/students/aspiring/324178/socialmediadoesnthurt.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3758042/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23139411
http://www.amednews.com/article/20121127/profession/311279999/8/
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/731175
http://www.ojphi.org/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/2161/2026
http://jepm.seahq.net/VolXVI_IssueV_McHugh.pdf

Some medical schools have added an internet background search step usually post-interview, per-selection as due diligence to find any obvious issue. With automation and some software this is easy to do
 

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Um, I have to go through my Facebook timeline really quick...
 
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My father is an avowed member of the Tea Party and has a low-maintenance tech job that allows him to post on my wall links to politically charged content which are typically inflammatory and controversial at best. I'm similarly inclined so that I love politics, although I seek out more reasoned sources. I'm never crass or personal in my replies and I make to be respectful in every exchange. Will this raise an eyebrow? Should I be mass deleting?
 

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My father is an avowed member of the Tea Party and has a low-maintenance tech job that allows him to post on my wall links to politically charged content which are typically inflammatory and controversial at best. I'm similarly inclined so that I love politics, although I seek out more reasoned sources. I'm never crass or personal in my replies and I make to be respectful in every exchange. Will this raise an eyebrow? Should I be mass deleting?

Rule 1: Take a Breath

A professional discourse with reasoned arguments and opinions is fine. And get your dad a valium prescription. With this upcoming long, long election season and the candidates in place, he may need it.
 
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Given everything Gonnif just said, it looks like it is time to overhaul my social media privacy settings, just to be safe.
 

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1.Don't accept strangers on facebook
2.Don't post racist stuff, drunk posts, etc It's okay to be controversial and test boundaries by asking valid questions, but controversial doesn't mean be bigoted.
3.Don't tell people who you are on SDN (reveal stats too much, tell what school you go to, etc)
4.Try to be professional on SDN (I wouldn't make comments that could appear sexist, racist, etc)
professionalism also involves the ability to refrain from slandering an institution, a residency, a med school interview, an undergrad college, etc

Constructive criticism is fine, but in my opinion just plain slander is not..
(SpongeBob med school is trash, wrong.. SpongeBob med school has low step scores, and most match into primary care, the research opportunity I'd also not present, good)

Doing the above you should be fine

Oh, and I'd also be careful about what type of photos you post of yourself on social media.. Photos of you doing illegal acts, in compromising positions, doing ridiculous stuff, etc can and will come back to haunt you..
 
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I'd be weary of the advice of someone who is an "admissions expert" that took 3 cycles to get accepted.
 
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My father is an avowed member of the Tea Party and has a low-maintenance tech job that allows him to post on my wall links to politically charged content which are typically inflammatory and controversial at best. I'm similarly inclined so that I love politics, although I seek out more reasoned sources. I'm never crass or personal in my replies and I make to be respectful in every exchange. Will this raise an eyebrow? Should I be mass deleting?

Are you my kid? This is why I'm not Facebook friends with my husband. I don't share his political views and although I am friends with other people who don't share my views, I don't want anyone to consider me guilty by association. You can also set up your Facebook so that no one can post to your wall unless you approve the post. Another setting is to just not allow anyone to post anything to your wall.
 
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I don't use Premed101 (never even heard about it). But this link also talks about SDN.

http://bemoacademicconsulting.com/blog/files/top-5-reasons-to-avoid-online-premed-forums

Mainly, is it true that students could be traced back and get in trouble for what they've asked on these forums? I think that's just bull****, but I'm sort of scared about asking stupid stuff now.

Also, has anyone ever used BeMo is it worth it?

If you think Physicians have time to find applicants on forums or if you think administrators care enough to find applicants on forums, you're insane.
 

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If you think Physicians have time to find applicants on forums or if you think administrators care enough to find applicants on forums, you're insane.

Pardon the analogy, but this company acts like an escort service. There is a central office/dispatcher finding clients and then assigning it to already retained physicians to service the client.
 
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Are you my kid? This is why I'm not Facebook friends with my husband. I don't share his political views and although I am friends with other people who don't share my views, I don't want anyone to consider me guilty by association. You can also set up your Facebook so that no one can post to your wall unless you approve the post. Another setting is to just not allow anyone to post anything to your wall.

I was going to ask if they are one of my siblings. :hilarious:
 
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I'd be weary of the advice of someone who is an "admissions expert" that took 3 cycles to get accepted.

Honestly that's how it goes most of the time with these services. There's seldom anything of value that they offer that can't be found elsewhere from more experienced sources.

There's a kid a DO school in NYC who's been pushing his admissions consultancy "business" since he was an M1 there (and as a result was permabanned from SDN last year for trying to sell on these forums). The "credentials" he was pimping on his site included the fact that he was president of Northwestern's pre-med club :rolleyes:.

But hey, he'll totally revise your essay for you if you pay him 300 dollars.
 
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As I recall, the cat in the hat was rescinded for what he wrote on FB, not SDN.
someone needs to compile a book of memorable SDN history
 
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I have adblock, and I see BeMo ads frequently on youtube videos. They are about 3-4 minutes long
 

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So you're telling me someone can find out I smoke weed everyday? Oh well, pass the J
 
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