Is UW High-Yield?

[tony montana]

Yes its interface is just like that of the actual USMLE
Yes explanations are good
Yes questions are harder

But

Is it high yield?

are the current question topics highly tested on the USMLE? or not really?
Thanks.

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[Knicks]

Interesting question.

Looking forward to the responses.....

 

[tony montana]

I mean, if you know and understand 95% of all of UW qbank, all other factors aside, would you reasonably be expected to do well? (> 230)


Anyone?

 

[lord_jeebus]

As in, if you used UW as your primary source of review (without FA or another book) and just knew 95% of its contents cold?

I would not recommend that strategy for Step I, although I did not use UW.

 

[tony montana]

As in, FA + UW

But all of it, not just know the answer to the questions but master all the concepts in its explanations.

Just trying to KISS (keep it simple stupid) it.

 

[TTPHUS]

As in, FA + UW

But all of it, not just know the answer to the questions but master all the concepts in its explanations.

Just trying to KISS (keep it simple stupid) it.

Try it out and let us know 😀..kinda like the real scientists back in the day who would infect themselves in their search for the truth ...

It'd be your eureka moment 😀....Seriously though you can try the experimental method - take nbme 3 , then study your FA and UW only for 2 weeks and retake nbme 3 or another nbme and see if there's any marked improvement ...

I wish I could have been of more assitance - I'm in your shoes ... Its disheartening because 400 something views on your post and less than a handful responses ....🙁

Btw..I like the idea of keeping it simple ... thats einstein's way
ok I have to go now before you try and introduce me to your little friend😀

 

[Time]

As in, if you used UW as your primary source of review (without FA or another book) and just knew 95% of its contents cold?

I would not recommend that strategy for Step I, although I did not use UW.

Lord_jeebus and (anyone of the 260+ scorers),

why? and do you think that would work for NBME? I dont want to experiment, just want to know what your reasoning is. Technically, given the predictive value of the tests, they should encompass pretty much all of the material, and one should be able to get a 98%ile if one WERE to know the stuff REALLY cold (which is all relative, of course....). Care to share your thoughts?

 

[lord_jeebus]

Lord_jeebus and (anyone of the 260+ scorers),

why? and do you think that would work for NBME? I dont want to experiment, just want to know what your reasoning is. Technically, given the predictive value of the tests, they should encompass pretty much all of the material, and one should be able to get a 98%ile if one WERE to know the stuff REALLY cold (which is all relative, of course....). Care to share your thoughts?

Mastering a small set (yes 2000 Qs is a small set) of practice questions, no matter what their predictive value, does not make you a master of the much larger set of testable material.

 

[DragonWell]

I don't really have a good answer to this question either, although I agree it's interesting.

For what it's worth, I can offer my observations thus far. So far I've done about 20% of Uworld in tutor mode, w/ FA open in front in me so I can annotate info into it. Based on this small sample I would estimate that the answers to at least 75% of the questions I've done so far could be found somewhere in FA. Since the info in Uworld seems to overlap a great deal with the info in FA, I would infer that UWorld is hitting the high yield points.

In my prep so far, I've found that the two resources complement each other very well. There is no way that UW can cover every fact presented in FA, but conversely, just regurgitating every fact in FA doesn't seem to be enough to do well on this test. UW gives you a chance to see how you need to recall and apply the that info when faced with a question. I guess I'll see how well it works out in May...

 

[alpha06]

I think just knowing FA and UW is really not enough.

2000+ Q is a relatively small qbank to go off of. I would increase my qbank knowledge to expand at least 4000+. But I'm not sure if that is even enough. I would like to do as many questions as possible until I take my exam.

That being said, if you knew FA cold, backwards and forwards. You would still need the ability to connect concepts together in which FA does not do. To me it just gives you a bunch of high-yield facts and you are expected to know these and regurgitate them at will.

The questions help tho, but only 2000+ is not good enough for me.

 

[g6pddfishnc]

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[Time]

Mastering a small set (yes 2000 Qs is a small set) of practice questions, no matter what their predictive value, does not make you a master of the much larger set of testable material.

Thanks.

 

[mudphudwannabe]

Supplementing with QBank sounds like a good idea.

You might want to consider adding a review book rather than "supplementing" with yet another Qbank. USMLE World + Kaplan QBank is a lot of questions. Personally I found that combining some questions with some review was the most helpful. FA alone is definitely not enough, and in my opinion FA + questions is not enough either. Questions are great, but after you do a block of 50 you have to review all the answers and explanations if you really want to learn from it, so it could get very tedious if that were your main source of information. I just can't imagine spending 8 hours a day doing questions! For me, that would have been 4 blocks of questions and 4 hours of reviewing the answers..yuck. Maybe you have more stamina than I do, though.

In addition to FA and USMLE World, I used BRS Path and BRS Phys, which are both concise but readable and helped me put things into context. For me that was important -- learning to switch gears quickly by doing random timed questions is great practice for the exam, but reviewing from the books is what really helped solidify the important concepts. Other review books covering pathology and physiology would probably work equally well if you like the style better.

Edited to add: to answer the original question, yes UW is very high yield. I saw many many questions on the real exam that were very similar to questions on UW. It's great preparation for the exam, but as I said above you will want to have a couple other resources to review.

 

[g6pddfishnc]

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[Pascal8]

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Well yes, this can also be very true. Mudphud from what I remember got a very high score, so I would definitely heed this advice. You can work with some very highly recommended books such as BRS Physio/Behavioral/Path (or RR), CMMRS, HY Neuro and Cell and Mol Bio, something for Immuno, Lippincott's for Pharm and Biochem, Lange series, etc. You can choose which areas you need more reference in and select a good resource for those.

You would need to consider your study style and the type of learner you are. Do you prefer to do many questions and learn from them? Do you need to read review books? Maybe a combination of these? Which subjects are you strong in and which need more work?

Also are you generally a good test taker? There was a post from another high scorer (RangerD), who described making a spreadsheet from the questions with high yield info pinpointing areas of strength and weakness and how to work and reason through the questions, so that the logic could be applied to the real questions on the exam. This might be an advantage to doing more questions, in particular if you feel that you need more practice. Also, I guess you build more confidence in answering questions (even with the uncertainty while taking the real exam) and also you can work on timing and pacing.

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Ok , so lets get this right - is it better to just do UW or is someone better off doing BOTH . I was told to complete 4000 questions - UW and Qbank ..
but come to think about it ..mudphud and others are making sense when they say limit the prep to UW ...what says the other experts ?

So cute , long Dong , Taus , PeepShow, Lanky , Basupran et al ..please weigh in on this interesting topic ...

 

[tony montana]

Hey TTPHUS, don worri I'll bury dose cokarouches (Steps) 😎


no, but seriously, I liked the advice of doing some NBMEs. That was something I had planned of doing. I wanted to do NBME 1 before getting any further with my boards studying. Then complete all of Path and pathophys from UW and take another NBME to see how my method is working out. If I see a reasonable improvement, then it would be a sign it is working out, wouldn't it?

I mean, look at a UW explanation for a right and wrong answer. It makes most (if not all) other qbanks pale in comparison. It is as if 1 UW qbank question was worth about 3 questions of the others.

When you look at the big hitters of the past who did like 10K questions preparations only, they did not have UW in their arsenal. So could we say that maybe they had to do more questions to ensure they covered more material, BUT that having appeared UW with more thorough explanations, one could do w/o the method of massive amount of questions in exchange for a lesser but more in depth qbank?

When these guys did their 10K question preparation, the explanations on their qbanks were wimpy. That's not the case for us anymore.

Of course, I am throwing in the well known review books for reference if I find I need it as I go along, and of course I am also making reference and some minor annots. on FA.

So, could it be possible, maybe?

I will update you, of course, once I have done the NBMEs.

ok chico, tony montana out...

 

[g6pddfishnc]

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[TTPHUS]

Interesting thread 👍

 

[The Buff]

My first thought when I read the title to this thread was "yes." And then I thought about the other question banks out there *cough* Kaplan *cough*., and compared to those my answer is now "hell yes". Seriously, though, there were very few questions on UW when I thought "no way will I have to know that." UW + FA would probably not be enough, but just get a couple more review books and you're on your way to a respectable score.

 

[Pascal8]

My first thought when I read the title to this thread was "yes." And then I thought about the other question banks out there *cough* Kaplan *cough*., and compared to those my answer is now "hell yes". Seriously, though, there were very few questions on UW when I thought "no way will I have to know that." UW + FA would probably not be enough, but just get a couple more review books and you're on your way to a respectable score.

this seems to be the way to go

 

[tony montana]

Aight peoples,


NBME 1 = 468

Let's see if my strategy pays off, will report post-prep the next NBMEs wish me the best.

Tony

 

[Pascal8]

Aight peoples,


NBME 1 = 370

Let's see if my strategy pays off, will report post-prep the next NBMEs wish me the best.

Tony

we wish u a very scientifically sound undertaking ....

 

[tony montana]

Today:

NBME 2 = 500


I have only done UW Qs on Pathology, pathophysiology and physiology and that only for understanding, not for memorization yet.

So far it's paying off.

 

[78222]

Yes yes yes yes yes yes. I cant tell you how many questions on my exam were straight out of UW.

 

[tony montana]

Yes yes yes yes yes yes. I cant tell you how many questions on my exam were straight out of UW.

You took the beast already?

 

[78222]

You took the beast already?

Took it today. My advice is FA>UW but both are must do's

 

[tony montana]

Took it today. My advice is FA>UW but both are must do's

As you can see from my strategy, that's what I am doing KISSing it (KEEPING IT SIMPLE STUPID) = FA +UW + a bit from here and there.

BTW is it true FA pharm is more than enough?

 

[lord_jeebus]

BTW is it true FA pharm is more than enough?

I would say it is just enough. Nothing in excess, very few deficiencies.

 

[78222]

I didn't see anything pharm related today that I didnt see in FA. Really, the only area that was deficient in regards to what I saw on my exam was Cell/molecular bio. FA is not nearly enough to prepare for that, some of the questions required me to think back to ugrad genetics.

btw, I had a lac operon question🙄

 

[tony montana]

I didn't see anything pharm related today that I didnt see in FA. Really, the only area that was deficient in regards to what I saw on my exam was Cell/molecular bio. FA is not nearly enough to prepare for that, some of the questions required me to think back to ugrad genetics.

btw, I had a lac operon question🙄

So what is one to use for Cell/Mol.bio? UW Qs in biochem?

 

[78222]

So what is one to use for Cell/Mol.bio? UW Qs in biochem?

I also read HY Cell & Molec and some of the stuff was covered BRS Phys and some of the stuff on my exam wasn't covered in anything I read.

I also had a question on healthcare systems which wasn't covered in anything (including my classes).

 

[tony montana]

I also read HY Cell & Molec and some of the stuff was covered BRS Phys and some of the stuff on my exam wasn't covered in anything I read.

I also had a question on healthcare systems which wasn't covered in anything (including my classes).

Snap! it's like that, thanks...

 

[osli]

Those could also be "experimental questions". At least, that's what I'm telling myself any time I see a question that makes me go WTF?...

 

[hasha100]

Those could also be "experimental questions". At least, that's what I'm telling myself any time I see a question that makes me go WTF?...

haha, if that's the case my exam is gonna have like 100 experimental questions.

 

[Risa]

I also had a question on healthcare systems which wasn't covered in anything (including my classes).

I had one too: it was on capitation. Luckily my school had a health care policy class. Definitely not something I was expecting to see on the boards, though!

 

[Pewl]

Do you guys really recommend doing all of Qbank and all of USMLEworld?
I have about 6 weeks before my exam and I've done about 15% of Qbank and 5% of USMLEworld. I'm reviewing first aid right now. Which question bank would you recommend that I proceed with?

 

[DwyaneWade]

Do you guys really recommend doing all of Qbank and all of USMLEworld?
I have about 6 weeks before my exam and I've done about 15% of Qbank and 5% of USMLEworld. I'm reviewing first aid right now. Which question bank would you recommend that I proceed with?

UW.

 

[78222]

Do you guys really recommend doing all of Qbank and all of USMLEworld?
I have about 6 weeks before my exam and I've done about 15% of Qbank and 5% of USMLEworld. I'm reviewing first aid right now. Which question bank would you recommend that I proceed with?

Forget QBank and do UW. UW was quite similar to my actual exam and the explanations are excellent.

btw, my UW Self Assessment score was pretty close to the actual thing - I'd reccommend it!

 

[DragonWell]

Forget QBank and do UW. UW was quite similar to my actual exam and the explanations are excellent.

btw, my UW Self Assessment score was pretty close to the actual thing - I'd reccommend it!

Cool, thanks for the recommendation. I think I might do UW Self Assessment instead of a 3rd NBME. Cheaper, and get to see answers/explanations.

 

[alpha06]

Is it just one UW self-assessment? Or or there multiple forms?

And do they just use the questions from their qbank or is it a whole different set?

Thanks!!

 

[78222]

Is it just one UW self-assessment? Or or there multiple forms?

And do they just use the questions from their qbank or is it a whole different set?

Thanks!!

There was only 1 as of 1 month ago. The questions are different than those seen in the qbank.

 

[Pewl]

Forget QBank and do UW. UW was quite similar to my actual exam and the explanations are excellent.

btw, my UW Self Assessment score was pretty close to the actual thing - I'd reccommend it!

Is it really advisable to forget Qbank totally? For some reason Qbank seems to be more popular at my school. But nonetheless I have heard such great things about UW. My plan is kinda to get through most of Qbank now, and just do nothing but UW for the last week or so.

 

[Mediculous]

Yeah, for some reason my school is all about Qbank, as well. I did most of Qbank and switched to UWorld last week, and I'm lovin' it. 😀

 

[tony montana]

Forget QBank and do UW. UW was quite similar to my actual exam and the explanations are excellent.

btw, my UW Self Assessment score was pretty close to the actual thing - I'd reccommend it!

This is so encouraging to hear, I am glad I chose this keep it simple stupid method.