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Sorry you are going through this. When my parent got sick during medical school it was incredibly stressful; can't imagine doing it all week every week.

But look, to be blunt, its your life. They have lived to 71, had a kid, and had a life. You are just starting out and you need to have those things too some day. For what its worth most FM residents I have met seem pretty happy with the work life balance; at least relative to other specialties.

Do they speak english? And how many appointments do they need to go to each month? It may not be viable to personally take them. You will, however, be earning a pay check. As Dame Maggie mentioned there are services out there to give the elderly transportation and help with these things. You are not alone in dealing with this.
 
Thank you Osteosaur. I did enjoy the clinics during FM clerkship and have a couple of FM electives lined up for 4th year, so I will see how they go.

My parent's English is limited. I've been fortunate. Throughout medschool, that they have averaged about 1 appointment every couple of months for preventative measures and tests with no major hospitalizations. Unlike pre-med where I had to take a year sabbatical to be at the bedside of one parent who due to complications from a major operation was in the ICU for several months and passed away while the other parent also had to be in the same hospital for a week during those same months because of complications arising from a cholecystectomy.

I appreciate the ideas that have been shared, as I now have a better picture of how I will tackle my parental concerns in residency.
 
Honestly I would argue that it is actually unethical for you to try and take care of them knowing you are going to be too busy at times to provide enough care for them. Working in the hospital for a few years I've had pts whose dementia went from mild like how you're talking about to them getting brought in to the hospital for driving the wrong way down the highway, hitting parked cars, threatening or trying to unalive others. I can't remember the amount of times family said it just happened out of nowhere and their dementia advanced way more rapidly than it previously did.

I would get the workups and other stuff done now so that you can have resources at it will be easier than waiting. It sounds like they would be a great candidate for a place that let's them live independently but keeps an eye on them. I'm sorry but they burned their bridges with the rest of the family and if they have dementia and it advances out of nowhere that's going to grind your residency training to a halt.
 
I appreciate you perspective Proudfather94.

My parent has been with their PCP for a very long time with the last visit a couple of months ago. The doctor has never shared with me that my parent shows early signs of dementia, and I am in agreement with that. I think the incidents I described in previous posts are due to normal aging forgetfulness. That said, I appreciate the heads up and will be on the look out for those early signs should they start manifesting.

The feedback and options I have received are invaluable and appreciated. They will go a long way in helping me try and balance my professional and personal responsibilities.
 
Have you looked into something like a personal care home? Those arent super expensive, your parent should be getting some form of financial benefits to afford it. They're significantly cheaper than a nursing home. The thing is, your able to do this now, but you wont be able to do it forever. At PCH they even take them to the appts.
 
I appreciate you perspective Proudfather94.

My parent has been with their PCP for a very long time with the last visit a couple of months ago. The doctor has never shared with me that my parent shows early signs of dementia, and I am in agreement with that. I think the incidents I described in previous posts are due to normal aging forgetfulness. That said, I appreciate the heads up and will be on the look out for those early signs should they start manifesting.

The feedback and options I have received are invaluable and appreciated. They will go a long way in helping me try and balance my professional and personal responsibilities.

If they’re leaving gas on the stove and stuff on like you described, that’s a warning sign for dementia. Doctors might not identify it because they don’t live with the person and see the decline happening and the patient isn’t necessarily going to tell them anything to ID it. You should document the decline,specific examples , and then specifically address it with the doctor.

After that, I agree with meeting with social worker and looking into options like daytime caregivers or even assisted living (at least for residency ). My grandma has someone come for 6 hrs a day and it’s mostly covered and then my mom cares for her at night.

Lastly, the other issue is your parents attitude (caveat if this is new onset with the decline). While it might be culturally expected you care for them, that doesn’t mean they should make your life hell while you do it. If that’s the case I would say tell them you’re doing your best to help them, you need to do x,y,z for med school and residency to be successful and that they need to stop making things more difficult than they have to be or it’s going to screw you both and then you might not be able to care for them at all. Set that boundary. You being successful in this ultimately helps them tremendously too in the future.
 
The attitude is definitely not new onset. I have been dealing with it for all of my life. My other parent's only relief from them is that they are no longer with us. I made a death bed commitment/promise to them also. When we gather with relatives during the holidays, they have stressed to my parent how they should be grateful that their child hasn't already abandoned them. But it goes in one ear and out the next. Why do you think my relatives have washed their hands of the situation.

I have repeatedly butted heads with them reminding them that once I become an attending, getting the new house/car they constantly remind me of that they want on a weekly basis, can become a reality. It's a mental/emotional torture. I have resorted to doing what my other parent did, leaving the house when I can to study at school or staying in my room when at home to decrease the interactions because they just can't control their impulse to criticize and be critical on virtually every occasion.

Thank you both, those are good ideas I will look into.
 
The attitude is definitely not new onset. I have been dealing with it for all of my life. My other parent's only relief from them is that they are no longer with us. I made a death bed commitment/promise to them also. When we gather with relatives during the holidays, they have stressed to my parent how they should be grateful that their child hasn't already abandoned them. But it goes in one ear and out the next. Why do you think my relatives have washed their hands of the situation.

I have repeatedly butted heads with them reminding them that once I become an attending, getting the new house/car they constantly remind me of that they want on a weekly basis, can become a reality. It's a mental/emotional torture. I have resorted to doing what my other parent did, leaving the house when I can to study at school or staying in my room when at home to decrease the interactions because they just can't control their impulse to criticize and be critical on virtually every occasion.

Thank you both, those are good ideas I will look into.
youre going to buy them a new house/car? Do you have medical school debt? As someone who has been an attending roughly a year and makes a good salary, not as easy as it seems. Especially since both cars/houses are insanely expensive right now
 
The attitude is definitely not new onset. I have been dealing with it for all of my life. My other parent's only relief from them is that they are no longer with us. I made a death bed commitment/promise to them also. When we gather with relatives during the holidays, they have stressed to my parent how they should be grateful that their child hasn't already abandoned them. But it goes in one ear and out the next. Why do you think my relatives have washed their hands of the situation.

I have repeatedly butted heads with them reminding them that once I become an attending, getting the new house/car they constantly remind me of that they want on a weekly basis, can become a reality. It's a mental/emotional torture. I have resorted to doing what my other parent did, leaving the house when I can to study at school or staying in my room when at home to decrease the interactions because they just can't control their impulse to criticize and be critical on virtually every occasion.

Thank you both, those are good ideas I will look into.
I'm sorry you're going through that with them and that they can't see the damage they are causing you and caused your family.
 
We own a house that's paid off. The plan is to upgrade after residency if I match in my current location. If I match into another area, most of the medical school debt will be paid by selling the house, renting during residency, and then buying as an attending.
 
DO NOT buy a new car for a person with dementia; that is a disaster waiting to happen.
For a house, in the (distant) future, if you are committed to living with your parent, consider buying a duplex with two apartments, or a house with an in-law apartment so you each have your own space.
 
Agreed no new car. Also agreed that the next house will definitely have separate living quarters for them, preferably with sound proof walls.
 
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Also how is this going to work romantically? You may want some kind of romantic life and want someone in the long term, and when parents are around 24/7 that does not go well. Especially if you want marriage and/or kids one day, this will be made more difficult.

I hear what you're doing to help them, but have they done anything to help themselves? I dont know the extent of their cognition but there are things they can be doing. Perhaps if they truly care about you they will understand you need a life too and will look at other solutions.

I would sit down with them and have a family meeting with all the family, in a calm manner/non accusatory way. It seems like this person doesnt have good insight into how their situation affects others.
 
Definitely also consider therapy to learn effective strategies to deal with this persons behavior. Even if you don’t technically have a mental health issue, learning strategies for the interaction can be helpful. Before residency residency might be better. together and separate would be ideal.
 
Finding someone to share my life with right now will not be in that person's best interest and well-being right now. The situation is not conducive to having a meaningful and healthy relationship with another. However, I am fortunate I have friends with whom I can vent to.

TBH, they don't have an insight into how their attitude affects others unfortunately. It's been tried over and over again when my other parent was still with us and now through my relatives. I have resigned to knowing I can't change a leopard's spots.

I have formed certain strategies to cope like getting counseling at student health, daily exercise, commiserating with friends, and ignoring the criticism or ideas I deem unreasonable e.g. Wanting a new house now even though I am a MS without a salary and any way to pay for a mortgage.
 
Finding someone to share my life with right now will not be in that person's best interest and well-being right now. The situation is not conducive to having a meaningful and healthy relationship with another. However, I am fortunate I have friends with whom I can vent to.

TBH, they don't have an insight into how their attitude affects others unfortunately. It's been tried over and over again when my other parent was still with us and now through my relatives. I have resigned to knowing I can't change a leopard's spots.

I have formed certain strategies to cope like getting counseling at student health, daily exercise, commiserating with friends, and ignoring the criticism or ideas I deem unreasonable e.g. Wanting a new house now even though I am a MS without a salary and any way to pay for a mortgage.

Well on one hand if you had a relationship with someone at least you could crash at their place and get away for a bit, lol.

On the other hand, having to change your situation to meet someone else is not cool. You are a lot nicer than I am.

Does he know how to use a phone? if so provide him with a list of PCHs in the area to start calling, he can check them out and see. He also should apply for benefits if eligbile to fund this. A lot of them are like 700-1000 a month and that includes food and transportation to doctor visits.

The more you do something for someone, the more you teach them that they dont need to have any inclination to fend for themselves
 
There's a language barrier, but PCHs are a great option and I will definitely consider it.
 
We own a house that's paid off. The plan is to upgrade after residency if I match in my current location. If I match into another area, most of the medical school debt will be paid by selling the house, renting during residency, and then buying as an attending.
I know this isn’t the topic you’re asking about, but you should consult a financial adviser to see if selling the old house and paying off loans makes financial sense.

I’m finding that building equity and net worth is tedious and takes time. So if you have some built up, you might not wanna get rid of it.
 
If I match to my current location, renting out the house for the rental income after residency while using IBR during residency are under consideration. If I match outside my location, managing a rental property while in residency and dealing with my parent would be too much. Selling it to pay off most of the education debt might be the best thing for me. But I have a classmate whose parent is a fin adv. I'll talk to them. TY!
 
Dear HopelessMS,
I don't know how your residency applications are going or if you already matched but I wanted to share my story/perspective if you still want and also wanted to let you know you are not alone. This is a fairly long post, I've tried to be concise as I can, please bear with me.

I have a parent (81 yo) who now requires nearly full-time caregiving due to a lot of issues that came up last year when he was away in his country. He would often go months at a time (alone) between the US and that country and the last time he went was nearly fatal for him. He came back in an emergency situation and was immediately hospitalized for months to recover from a traumatic accident. He then went into an SNF for some time. We couldn't afford to keep him there long term and my mom refuses to "spend down" her money on nursing home care so that he could move into the nursing home and she is afraid that will have to put her house up for collateral. My mom and I decided we would be the main caregivers (she is a nurse and I took a year off of medical school) but that quickly just ended up being me caring for my dad 24/7 because my mom works a lot (plus there are marital problems I won't even get into). My siblings don't live at home, they live out of state and none of them were willing to take on any caregiver type of roles so it's really felt like just me and my dad at this point. For the first couple of weeks, I was losing a lot of sleep and did everything for my dad. He was bedridden, incontinent, and NPO. He had constipation issues despite being fed through a tube. He had a vent for night-time use which he rarely tolerated. He needed G-tube care, tracheostomy care, turning, changing, etc. He was weak and losing weight and at risk for falls.

After months of working with therapists, doctors, social workers, and nurses at home and in facilities, my dad is doing much better physically, he is closer to getting his trach and G-tube out, he is off the vent, he can walk on his own with a walker or maneuver wheelchair etc on his own. I'm not as worried about leaving him alone for more than a few minutes and not as worried that he will fall. However there are permanent neurologic changes to his cognition, his personality, memory and he's not fully oriented to time and place (moreso place). While it is rewarding to be his caregiver, I'm still a medical student and I know that either I will have to leave medicine for now or I will need a lot of help when I do return. My dad doesn't qualify for Medicaid solely based on my mom's income and they're still married, unfortunately. My medical school is not in the same state as the house where they live and I am currently taking a year off to deal with all this but I know a major decision is imminent about where this is headed.

My dad started out showing signs similar to what you describe long before this year. Though the real reason this all happened is because of a medical condition that I learned about during the start of the pandemic. I am not saying anything similar would happen to your parent but something I wish I had been better at before he wound up in such a dependent position was asking for help early to get my dad into a sustainable living situation that could maximize his independence and getting him culturally competent care and providers who he felt compatible with to listen to them. I had looked into assisted living facilities before I went away to medical school and it was one of the things I wanted to get my dad into but I wasn't able to follow through on it and convince him to get his own place in the US (he would rather live alone in his other country and every time he kept saying he would not come back). Every state has some sort of Office for Aging and they know all of the programs in the state that your parent can utilize so that they can get help -- there are programs for those who don't qualify for Medicaid but still may qualify as "low income."

Most importantly, have an honest conversation with your parent about all the medical and health stuff now, power of attorneys, end-of-life care/wishes, what should happen if they need more care than you can provide, etc so that you are not struggling to make ends meet or guess what their wishes would be when they do end up in a dire situation. Had we done that I don't think my father would have suffered as much through all of this. I wish you the very best as you balance this part of your life and know I completely understand what it's like to feel responsible for your parents' wellbeing when you are their only carer.

I hope you are able to get help for your situation, that your parent and their relatives come around, and that you are able to take care of yourself (I know how trite that sounds but we need to hear it). My best to you.
 
Dear Smashing,

Thank you for sharing your story with me and us.

Know that you are to be commended for your sacrifice for father's health and wellbeing. It takes a very strong to do what you did and are doing. I wish for you all good things, and that you will be able to continue your medical journey once your homelife becomes more settled. You will be more able to empathize with your patients, and they will be better for it.

My situation has not changed much from when I first posted, however, I now know that I am not alone in being in our situation. There's comfort in that. I am currently applying for residency and the situation is fluid as to where I will end up. But with a little luck and if it's meant to be, things will work itself out.

Peace be with you...
 
Dear Smashing,

Thank you for sharing your story with me and us.

Know that you are to be commended for your sacrifice for father's health and wellbeing. It takes a very strong to do what you did and are doing. I wish for you all good things, and that you will be able to continue your medical journey once your homelife becomes more settled. You will be more able to empathize with your patients, and they will be better for it.

My situation has not changed much from when I first posted, however, I now know that I am not alone in being in our situation. There's comfort in that. I am currently applying for residency and the situation is fluid as to where I will end up. But with a little luck and if it's meant to be, things will work itself out.

Peace be with you...
Thank you for the kind words. I hope we both get through the difficulties and the same with you - I am sure this has taught you much patience and grace for our older members of society. Yes, we are not alone and even medical faculty are increasingly dealing with this as well.

 
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