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[DOme2009]

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so i gotta take the ite and was wondering if clinical anesthesia 3rd ed was ok. yeah, the pharm/phys stuff hasn't changed but is there anything new or otherwise worthwhile in the 6th ed that justifies buying it? money isn't the issue, and i'm 90% sure my program doesn't provide this book.

 

[Arch Guillotti]

agree w/above but i wouldn't worry about it too much as an intern.

 

[lfesiam]

agree w/above but i wouldn't worry about it too much as an intern.

I personally like Anesthesia Secrets for a quick review.....been reading that baby since medschool days....question format reading style works better for me 👍

 

[Arch Guillotti]

I personally like Anesthesia Secrets for a quick review.....been reading that baby since medschool days....question format reading style works better for me 👍

I agree w/secrets. I didn't really read any anesthesia during my intern year so I didn't have a good handle on a lot of things starting out as a CA-1. i ripped through secrets very quickly and felt like I had a pretty good but very brief review of a tremendous amount of subjects. It is very superficial but at least lets you become familiar with a large amount of terms.

 

[DOme2009]

thanks for all the advice - normally i wouldn't be concerned but i've heard that some of our attendings are notorious for using ite scores to determine who gets to do what cases and to decide on who gets to be the whipping boy. if someone with good scores does something stupid in the OR, they're just having a bad day. if someone with bad scores screws up, well, everyone knows that guy's a *****. i'm just going to have to get used to the politics of residency and learn to play the game just like eveyone else.

 

[Impromptu]

I hope it's not worth much as an intern, because I'm taking Step 3 a couple weeks before it, and that is the test my program really wants me us to do well on (pass) as an intern.

 

[Precedex]

would actually argue that anesthesia secrets has way more detail than you need at this point.

 

[geauxg8rs]

you should read the back of your eyelids. Meaning finish the test as soon as you possibly can.

 

[hoyden]

Disagree that secrets are superficial - it is way too complicated format for a starter - it is a book to refresh your memory before the real deal, IMHO.

Baby Miller is the best for the start - but not during your internship - the beginning of your CA-1( or during your elective anesthesia month).

 

[amyl]

where are you an intern, 'cause that sounds pretty harsh that they decide what cases you get based on your score. the ite really doesnt matter that early on. i like morgan mikhail as a first text.

 

[shift_roro]

Is it usual to have to take the ITE as a PGY-1 intern?

 

[pgg]

Is it usual to have to take the ITE as a PGY-1 intern?

The ITE used to be in August. 2009 was the first year it was in March.

Historically it was common for new CA1s to take the Aug ITE right after starting and that was their "intern" sitting for it, but they were anesthesia residents at that moment.

Now with the test in March I'd be surprised to see non-categorical PGY1s taking it, but I don't know. I'd guess everyone in a categorical (CA0) spot would take it.

 

[hoyden]

Is it usual to have to take the ITE as a PGY-1 intern?

If you are in a categorical spot and your CBY is a part of your residency training in a gas program - yes, it is usual and it is obligatory. I took it in July ( second Saturday of July was the usual time for the real exam and ITE at that time) 2005 as an intern. Our interns last year took it in March 2009 - since it was the first time ITE was administered in March.

 

[amyl]

i took it twice as an intern last year... on arrival to residency and march, just fyi

 

[hoyden]

i took it twice as an intern last year... on arrival to residency and march, just fyi

you are absolutely right - last year everybody took it twice - it was good training before the real one (results of ITE in August 2008 caused a lot of panic nationwide))))))

 

[Eta Carinae]

I knew there had to be a SIGNIFICANT advantage to a categorical vs. advanced match.

 

[pgg]

I knew there had to be a SIGNIFICANT advantage to a categorical vs. advanced match.

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Probably so, but it's not because of the ITE. 🙂

Even without the PGY1 sitting you'll still get three swings at the ITE plus the AKT-0, -1, -6, -18, whatever else your program inflicts upon you, and however many thousand review book questions you do on your own. There will be no shortage of multiple choice abuse either way.

 

[Eta Carinae]

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Probably so, but it's not because of the ITE. 🙂

Even without the PGY1 sitting you'll still get three swings at the ITE plus the AKT-0, -1, -6, -18, whatever else your program inflicts upon you, and however many thousand review book questions you do on your own. There will be no shortage of multiple choice abuse either way.

So much to look forward to.

Thanks for clarifying that.

 

[Eta Carinae]

If anyone's looking to buy one or more of those books, remember you can do it through SDN bookstore (via amazon).

I just did and with >$25, I'm getting free shipping. 😉

 

[hoyden]

If anyone's looking to buy one or more of those books, remember you can do it through SDN bookstore (via amazon).

I just did and with >$25, I'm getting free shipping. 😉

You might have had premature money spending spree - if your program gives you educati0nal money that can be used only in the hospital bookstore what are you going to do with those? 😉

 

[Eta Carinae]

You might have had premature money spending spree - if your program gives you educati0nal money that can be used only in the hospital bookstore what are you going to do with those? 😉

to name a few...
😉

 

[Eta Carinae]

You might have had premature money spending spree - if your program gives you educati0nal money that can be used only in the hospital bookstore what are you going to do with those? 😉

Besides, no $ worries for now (and hopefully for a very, very long time hereafter )

 

[lfesiam]

Besides, no $ worries for now (and hopefully for a very, very long time hereafter )

For intern year, don't worry about getting the big blue marino for ICU yet, BABY MARINO (the little ICU book) is the way to go, you'll be half asleep during ICU, high yield reading is key in my OP. You can actually finish the baby marino in one month on ICU. Awesome read 👍 got mine used for 12 bucks 🙂 Buy used books, cheap + save trees.

 

[UTKB]

I agree with Little Blue Book. At my program (categorical) we have required reading during our intern year from Morgan & Mikhail.

 

[shift_roro]

I agree with Little Blue Book. At my program (categorical) we have required reading during our intern year from Morgan & Mikhail.

Does your categorical program have you take the ITE as a PGY-1 in March?

 

[Eta Carinae]

For intern year, don't worry getting the big blue marino for ICU yet, BABY MARINO (the little ICU book) is the way to go

👍
It's on my reading list before intern year kicks off. Working my way through pertinent first few chaps in Harrison's now. Baby Marino- cursory reading- next.
Thank you.

you'll be half asleep during ICU,

Pretty much my experience as a med student the first week of the rotation. But I loved the phys enough that the sheer enthusiasm kept me going.


Thanks again.

 

[Eta Carinae]

Does your categorical program have you take the ITE as a PGY-1 in March?

You know, this would have been a very good point to clarify on the interview trail, now that I think about it.

I guess a lot of residents will be getting email inquiries today 😉!

 

[hoyden]

why bother with baby marino if you should master the big marino anyway?🙄

 

[Intensivist]

now that you have mention it, l'm about to have a 4wks rotation on closed, combine adult ICU in Montreal, in my final yr of med school. Considering that l already had been exposed to both anesthesia and ICU for about 8 wks all together, doing intubations, central lines vent management to some point, odering labs and other stuff, what can l expect from this rotation?
My ICU resourses are Critical Care Manual - Raoof (not a great book), Marino's ICU and www.ccmtutorials.com

 

[AnesCoord]

Requirement to take the ITE as an intern is entirely up to your program and has nothing to do with Categorical vs. Advanced. At the program I was at, interns were not required to sit for the exam but WERE required to complete Step III within 60 days of start of CA-1 if not done prior to start. Taking the ITE as an intern doesn't really provide your program with any valuable information but does cost them $100 per intern. It is valuable though, for providing you with your first exposure to the exam, without fear of retribution.

 

[lfesiam]

why bother with baby marino if you should master the big marino anyway?🙄

the baby fits in my white coat pocket 🙄

the big daddy is on my bookshelf.

Think of it as the apple ipod touch and the macbook. Portability whoo hoooooooo👍

 

[hoyden]

the baby fits in my white coat pocket 🙄

the big daddy is on my bookshelf.

Think of it as the apple ipod touch and the macbook. Portability whoo hoooooooo👍

I do not wear white coat at all
When I needed it during my intern year I didn't need Marino book at that time.

You'd better have those formulas inprinted in your mind.

Just kidding, but seriously, why do you need books in your pockets? 🙄

 

[Eta Carinae]

Requirement to take the ITE as an intern is entirely up to your program and has nothing to do with Categorical vs. Advanced. At the program I was at, interns were not required to sit for the exam but WERE required to complete Step III within 60 days of start of CA-1 if not done prior to start. Taking the ITE as an intern doesn't really provide your program with any valuable information but does cost them $100 per intern. It is valuable though, for providing you with your first exposure to the exam, without fear of retribution.

True.

Just confirmed that with a couple of programs.

Thank you.

 

[UTKB]

Does your categorical program have you take the ITE as a PGY-1 in March?

Yes. They're also starting to give us quizzes on the assigned reading. They are starting to *strongly* encourage self study, with which I agree. There's only so much you can soak up daydreaming in a lecture at 6am. Hefty self study plus on the job training is the way to go.

 

[Narcotized]

Go back to Dream's List and start and end with the little blue NMS book. Why? Because you are an intern and should be learning intern stuff. Take the year to learn acute asthma, chest pain, reading an EKG, reading a chest xray, taking a good history, ACLS, on and on; and you have the rest of your life to learn anesthesia.

Don't be deceived by the size of the NMS book. If you know that book by July 1 you will be well ahead of where you need to be.