ITE Keywords Subforum?

[periopdoc]

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So my program has sent out a list of all of the ITE keywords that were missed by the residents of my program. The CA-3's will be required to put together short presentations on each of these topics.

That go me to thinking. Would anyone else be interested in setting up a ITE keywords sub-forum where we can discuss these keywords without clogging up the main forum? It would be sweet to get a bunch of us residents arguing about exactly what is meant by the different keywords and get attending input on the real-world application of all of these academic themes.

It would also be a nice way to get more ANESTHESIA related clinical content on here.

Anyone else interested? Arch, JPP, Plank and UTSW what do you think?


-pod

 

[OB1🤙]

Sounds like a great way to spice up the already-existing private forum, IMO.

 

[pgg]

That go me to thinking. Would anyone else be interested in setting up a ITE keywords sub-forum where we can discuss these keywords without clogging up the main forum?

I would absolutely read and contribute to a keyword and board review subforum.

Sounds like a great way to spice up the already-existing private forum, IMO.

I thought the private subforum was reserved for Pinky-And-The-Brain style plotting against the AANA?

Jokes aside, I think we should keep the educational stuff public. This forum is great largely because it's public. Anyone can stumble upon it and bask in its greatness. Once in a while a brilliant one de-lurks, becomes a regular, and we all benefit. We shouldn't take the good stuff and wall it off from casual lurkers and posters, even if some of them are SRNAs with 3-letter usernames starting with d and ending in k, hell bent on disseminating misinformation disguised as gospel ...

 

[usnavdoc]

I would absolutely read and contribute to a keyword and board review subforum.



I thought the private subforum was reserved for Pinky-And-The-Brain style plotting against the AANA?

Jokes aside, I think we should keep the educational stuff public. This forum is great largely because it's public. Anyone can stumble upon it and bask in its greatness. Once in a while a brilliant one de-lurks, becomes a regular, and we all benefit. We shouldn't take the good stuff and wall it off from casual lurkers and posters, even if some of them are SRNAs with 3-letter usernames starting with d and ending in k, hell bent on disseminating misinformation disguised as gospel ...

I agree keep it public but it should have its own subfolder so that posts dont get lost over time. Id post all the keyword talks and case presentations Ive done over the last few years. If everyone did that it would be a hell of a start.

 

[CambieMD]

I do not like the idea of a private anything. Some of the best information that I get is from CRNA web sites. Information should be shared. Key words are important but understanding principals is more important. I made several copies of my key words and always kept a copy in my Morgan and Mikhail. I looked at the pulmonary key words when I read pulmonary. I gogooled key words that were not covered in M an M. You should have your own study plan.

I hated required reading during my specialty rotations because it interfered with my study program. The best way to pass the boards is to know your stuff well. Find a system that works for you and stick to it.

Cambie

 

[badgas]

I think that it's a great idea. I'd contribute.

 

[Arch Guillotti]

I will see what the higher ups think.

 

[Arch Guillotti]

If others are interested please post here, even if to just say "yes".

 

[lvspro]

yes
I'll post my presentations from last years keywords

 

[OB1🤙]

Consider me convinced. 👍

 

[iso]

If others are interested please post here, even if to just say "yes".

yes, it's a great idea. Keep it in the public forum though.

 

[toughlife]

I say go private with it. No need to have to be dealing with trolls while we are trying to learn.

 

[pgg]

I say go private with it. No need to have to be dealing with trolls while we are trying to learn.

a) I'm not interested in joining the private forum.

b) Deliberately concealing educational material from casual browsers is a mistake and will ultimately harm both the public and private forums. Nobody becomes a regular contributor here because of the threads in the private room. Consider as just one example, periopdoc. He only recently began posting excellent, well written, insightful material here. If everything interesting and useful was hidden away from casual browsers, he would have seen a dead, boring, useless forum, he would have browsed away, never returned, and we wouldn't be reading and learning from his posts.

This forum is great because it is public.

c) If a troll becomes disruptive, wield the banhammer, delete some posts, and be done with it.

 

[CerebralEdema]

yes! Great Idea!

 

[GuP]

I am in but I say go private!

 

[badgas]

I'd vote for public subforum. There shouldn't be many trolls infiltrating that board since none of the keywords are "CRNA", "salary", or "lifestyle."

 

[toughlife]

a) I'm not interested in joining the private forum.

b) Deliberately concealing educational material from casual browsers is a mistake and will ultimately harm both the public and private forums. Nobody becomes a regular contributor here because of the threads in the private room. Consider as just one example, periopdoc. He only recently began posting excellent, well written, insightful material here. If everything interesting and useful was hidden away from casual browsers, he would have seen a dead, boring, useless forum, he would have browsed away, never returned, and we wouldn't be reading and learning from his posts.

This forum is great because it is public.

c) If a troll becomes disruptive, wield the banhammer, delete some posts, and be done with it.

If the banhammer was used as it should be then it would be a different story. In the end, since it was periopdoc's idea he should decide which way he wants it. If we are interested in learning, we will find a way to participate whether it is public or private.

 

[CambieMD]

but I took part one of the ABA exam already. Focused reading followed by a ton of questions( 4000) won the day for me. That said, I am a loner when it comes to studying. Reading on a consistant basis will accomplish more than a subforum will.

Cambie

 

[nutmegs]

I like the idea. We all waste time on here anyway, might as well be more constructive. I am really against the idea of it being private- I think anyone (med students, interns, whoever) should have access to the information althought it might have slightly stricter "on-topic" focus than the general threads. Sort of like studying in the library versus studying in study hall.

 

[usnavdoc]

but I took part one of the ABA exam already. Focused reading followed by a ton of questions( 4000) won the day for me. That said, I am a loner when it comes to studying. Reading on a consistant basis will accomplish more than a subforum will.

Cambie

No is suggesting that you shouldnt read.

 

[amyl]

yes and private. if you are a med student, resident, attending then there is no reason not to join the private forum...its not like its expensive.

 

[nutmegs]

yes and private. if you are a med student, resident, attending then there is no reason not to join the private forum...its not like its expensive.

but what's the point of making it private? do we really have that much trolling in our educational threads? I can't think of two.

 

[Arch Guillotti]

The admin. seems to believe that an ITE subforum is possible if enough people want it. There is another alternative, and that is to develop some sort of database. Does anyone prefer that format? I can't give any more info on what it would exactly be like because I don't know myself. It is a idea that the powers that be at SDN are thinking about developing.

 

[pgg]

The admin. seems to believe that an ITE subforum is possible if enough people want it. There is another alternative, and that is to develop some sort of database. Does anyone prefer that format? I can't give any more info on what it would exactly be like because I don't know myself. It is a idea that the powers that be at SDN are thinking about developing.

I'd rather see a forum for discussion. I've got my own database of keywords and study materials. I don't think I'd benefit from reading someone else's keywords or database entries as much as from discussing them.

And I'll reiterate my call for this to be public. The best this forum has to offer should be out in the open, where casual browsers will see it, have a reason to stay, and ultimately contribute.

 

[kraphtymac]

Good idea. Definitely needs to be public. Should be stickied instead of "sub-foldered".

 

[usnavdoc]

Good idea. Definitely needs to be public. Should be stickied instead of "sub-foldered".

If you sticky it then it will just be one long continuous post. If it is a subfolder then you can have multiple threads on different topics.

I think it should be public. The database is ok but I think a discussion is optimal so if there were a way to incorporate both then great if not Id say discussion is best.

 

[CambieMD]

yes and private. if you are a med student, resident, attending then there is no reason not to join the private forum...its not like its expensive.

I would not contribute to a private forum. Anyone should be able to viewthe info. Who is it that we want to exclude?
Frankly, the debate about whether the forum should be private is wasting time. Energy is being wasted because some want to limit access.

I have been pleasnatly suprised @ the high quality of info that is placed on the web for all to benefit from.

I will check back when this thing is up and running.

Cambie

 

[periopdoc]

So I wanted to give everyone a chance to chime in before I did. My preference is for a public Sub-Forum like the Anesthesiology Positions and CRNA Debates subforums at the top of the main page.

This has the advantage of keeping them organized and keeping them from getting lost and shuffled around in the main forum or a sticky. As new keyword threads are added, a sticky thread at the top can be maintained with links to the individual threads so that it is easy to find a thread on a particular keyword.

It lets everyone benefit and contribute. If the private forum were more active I might be in favor of putting it there, but the whole thing might flop if we limit who can contribute. I know its a catch-22, if you build it they will come, type of issue, but that would be my preference.

Also, we need to get the Vbulliten tables mod added to this board so that we can present data in a tabular format. I got around it in the obstetric thread by making my table in Excel, taking a screen grab of it and converting the grab to a jpg that I posted on Flikr and then linked to. It would be much easier if we could just build tables directly into our posts.

pod

 

[badgas]

... are we going to start this thing up or what??

 

[Arch Guillotti]

... are we going to start this thing up or what??

settle down, lol.

It sounds like the majority prefers a subfolder at the top of the page that is public and since this is what the OP prefers I think that this is what we should go with.

 

[Bertelman]

settle down, lol.

Don't front. He's jus redy to get hiz lerrrn on.

 

[boylemk4]

I am so disappointed with the ABA ITE results.AT my program, Chief residents and Fellows over the last 3 years have all been in the 10th percentile every year and all of us who studied and got 80th percentile and more for 3 consecutive years landed nowhere.SO why even bother?
I wonder if it's the same story everywhere? I guess it is more important to be good at kissing a---.😡

 

[CambieMD]

I am so disappointed with the ABA ITE results.AT my program, Chief residents and Fellows over the last 3 years have all been in the 10th percentile every year and all of us who studied and got 80th percentile and more for 3 consecutive years landed nowhere.SO why even bother?
I wonder if it's the same story everywhere? I guess it is more important to be good at kissing a---.😡

The scales for the ITE are different from previous years.

Cambie

 

[pgg]

I am so disappointed with the ABA ITE results.AT my program, Chief residents and Fellows over the last 3 years have all been in the 10th percentile every year and all of us who studied and got 80th percentile and more for 3 consecutive years landed nowhere.SO why even bother?
I wonder if it's the same story everywhere? I guess it is more important to be good at kissing a---.😡

Academics are not, and should not be, the sole or most important criterion for selecting someone for medical school, residency, fellowship, or a job. So many things are essential to being a competent physician in any specialty - knowing the science is critical, but so are clinical skills, interpersonal skills, ability to multitask, judgment, ethics, and so on.

"Why bother?" You should bother because knowing this stuff is important for patient care, which is the whole point of medical school, residency, and practice. Someone who gets in a huff because his academic achievement isn't tangibly and publicly rewarded is missing the point of said academic achievement in the first place.

So go ahead and work hard at kissing "a--- 😡" if you like the taste, but don't miss the forest for the trees.

The scales for the ITE are different from previous years.

ITE percentiles are not the same as a raw score on that weird arbitrary 2-digit scale. A percentile score is in fact a meaningful way to compare (for example) your CA-2 score this year to that of someone who took the ITE as a CA-2 in a different year.

Unless you make the bold (and incorrect, I think) assertion that the quality of the nationwide cohort taking the exam varies significantly year to year.

I've seen this thought that percentiles aren't comparable year-to-year in a couple threads here lately, and it's just wrong.

 

[huktonfonix]

while I agree that it takes more than board scores to make a good chief resident, I believe that someone doing poorly on the ITE exam should probably not be chief. I think that their time will be better spent studying for the boards during their third year. The additional responsibilities of being chief will not help their scores or do them any service.

 

[CambieMD]

while I agree that it takes more than board scores to make a good chief resident, I believe that someone doing poorly on the ITE exam should probably not be chief. I think that their time will be better spent studying for the boards during their third year. The additional responsibilities of being chief will not help their scores or do them any service.

I misread the initial post. Chiefs should be perform well on the ITE.

Cambie

p.s.

it is hard to study for the orals and work full time.

 

[excalibur]

So I wanted to give everyone a chance to chime in before I did. My preference is for a public Sub-Forum like the Anesthesiology Positions and CRNA Debates subforums at the top of the main page.

This has the advantage of keeping them organized and keeping them from getting lost and shuffled around in the main forum or a sticky. As new keyword threads are added, a sticky thread at the top can be maintained with links to the individual threads so that it is easy to find a thread on a particular keyword.

It lets everyone benefit and contribute. If the private forum were more active I might be in favor of putting it there, but the whole thing might flop if we limit who can contribute. I know its a catch-22, if you build it they will come, type of issue, but that would be my preference.

I vote YES! YES! YES!

...and I think the above method submitted by the OP is the best format. Public format for sure. All the other great educational resources are public like our case presentations, our cool educational websites, our tips on procedures...so why should this be private???

 

[911_turbo]

yes and private.

 

[Arch Guillotti]

check out the top of the page!