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If you got interviewed and or accepted to Harvard, Penn or Columbia, post your stats here!! Pre-dents like myself want to know what it takes to get into the most selective schools in the country.
Please keep your posts concise and in list format. Include GPAs, DATs, ECs, Research, Shadowing, Volunteering, etc. and when you applied and were notified.
 
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You guys have think 3.74 is high? You guys should look at Canadian dental school statistics. They are all mostly 3.8+ with UofA and UofT being 3.9+.
 

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You guys have think 3.74 is high? You guys should look at Canadian dental school statistics. They are all mostly 3.8+ with UofA and UofT being 3.9+.
Fun fact: the matriculated GPAs of Canadian D-schools are high because there are only 10 of them (vs. 66 American D-schools).

Either way, a class-average of 3.9 is crazy.
 
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The matriculated GPAs of Canadian D-schools are high because there are only 10 schools (vs. 66 American D-schools).
Yea its more competitive in Canada than the US thats for sure :/
 
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Yea its more competitive in Canada than the US thats for sure :/
There was a whole thread about this a few weeks ago. Some Canadian schools set an A+ at 90-100. I went to one of those schools for a semester and it was ****ing weird to me because I needed a 97/8 at my uni for that same score.
 
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If you're banking on an Ivy for dental school you're doing it wrong imo. I can think of two California public schools I'd attend as a resident of CA over any of the Ivies you mentioned barring some ridiculous scholarship. Or if I lived in NY I can name one...or Connecticut, or Texas, or Michigan, or...see where I'm going with this?

Other than that all I can contribute to your thread is I declined interview invitations at Columbia and Penn (didn't apply to Harvard) but got those invites with a 3.4 GPA and 26 AA.
 

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There was a whole thread about this a few weeks ago. Some Canadian schools set an A+ at 90-100. I went to one of those schools for a semester and it was ****ing weird to me because I needed a 97/8 at my uni for that same score.
This... Canadian schools effectively inflate their GPAs.
 
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This... Canadian schools effectively inflate their GPAs.
I wouldn't say Canadian schools inflate the GPAs (although this is certainly program/school dependant, I'm in a program where a bit of inflating goes around ;) ).

But for the most part, I've found that at Canadian schools you "get what you get". They set clear guidelines for what percentage correlates to which letter grade, so you know what you need to get the marks you want. I hear horror stories from my friends in the states where their 94 turns into a A- because the final grades got curved down. I've never seen curving of that type happen at my canadian school.

That said, all these US vs Canada threads that are started by Canadians are kind of unnecessary. Americans work hard to get into dental school, and so do Canadians haha. No need to compare stats from two different education systems.

Also, some canadian schools have weighing schemes which make the GPAs look higher than they are. For instance, some dental schools remove lowest year.
 
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I've seen that the average stats for Columbia and Harvard are about a 3.9 and a 23 DAT. However, I'm not sure even having those is good enough to get you in. We'll see! I'm applying next cycle and right now I have a 3.94/ 23 DAT. I'd love to get into an ivy league school! I agree with OP, its the dream to go to such a prestigious school.
 

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If you got interviewed and or accepted to Harvard, Penn or Columbia, post your stats here!! Pre-dents like myself want to know what it takes to get into the most selective schools in the country.
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Ivy leagues are not the most selective dental schools. Schools like UCLA, UCSF, UConn, Mich, etc. are just as competitive if not more.


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Do you think that going to UConn will affect your chances of specializing and your future prospects versus going to an Ivy?
UConn has a high specialization rate that is comparable Ivy leagues (if not higher). Also both give you three letters after your last name. It's the applicant not the school.


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UConn has a high specialization rate that is comparable Ivy leagues (if not higher). Also both give you three letters after your last name. It's the applicant not the school.


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Okay, let me rephrase. Does going to any state school (that does not have a high specialization rate) versus an Ivy have any bearing on your chances to specialize.
 

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Okay, let me rephrase. Does going to any state school (that does not have a high specialization rate) versus an Ivy have any bearing on your chances to specialize.
I've met Ivy DS grads and state DS grads. By far the smartest person I have ever met is an OMS out of Oklahoma Dental (not near the specialization rate of UCLA, Columbia, etc.). With all respect to the other dentists, this man is SMART, yet he went to a state school. It may be anecdotal, but he didn't spend 450k on school and is still a specialist. It depends on the applicant.


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Absolute no affect on chances whatsoever in my opinion. This can't be said of all state schools vs Ivy schools, but I still think that even if my state school were some other state I still would've chosen to go there over an Ivy. It's a personal choice but $400,000 vs $200,000 is not an insignificant amount of all. I never thought money would be a motivating factor in my career so I want to stop worrying about it in the shortest period of time possible, if that makes sense.
Tuution for non resident at Uconn is 50ish grand a year, but that does not take into account living expenses and other fees. In fact, the ADEA guide puts the total cost of attendance as a non resident at around 90 grand a year. Is this figure accurate? Or is it really close to 54ish. I know maybe 5-7 thousand extra isn't much if you factor in expenses, but an additional 40,000$ just in other fees per year IS a lot. What do you have to say about this?
 
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Tuution for non resident at Uconn is 50ish grand a year, but that does not take into account living expenses and other fees. In fact, the ADEA guide puts the total cost of attendance as a non resident at around 90 grand a year. Is this figure accurate? Or is it really close to 54ish. I know maybe 5-7 thousand extra isn't much if you factor in expenses, but an additional 40,000$ just in other fees per year IS a lot. What do you have to say about this?
UConn grants everyone in-state tuition after the first year.
Furthermore, UConn students do very well when it comes time to specialize.

I think @Scumbag_Steve made the correct decision choosing UConn over Columbia/Penn.
 

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UConn grants everyone in-state tuition after the first year.
Furthermore, UConn students do very well when it comes time to specialize.

I think @Scumbag_Steve made the correct decision choosing UConn over Columbia/Penn.
Agreed. UConn is probably the best schools to go to if you're looking to specialize. Low cost, high specialization rate, good class size. Other than maybe UCLA, you can't really compare.


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Agreed. UConn is probably the best schools to go to if you're looking to specialize. Low cost, high specialization rate, good class size. Other than maybe UCLA, you can't really compare.


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Plus it's under P/F grading so you focus on learning the material well instead of cramming for an exam. That's a huge asset.

Also, you're only a few hours away from Boston/NYC, etc.

Man...I want to go to UConn now.
 

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Plus it's under P/F grading so you focus on learning the material well instead of cramming for an exam. That's a huge asset.

Also, you're only a few hours away from Boston/NYC, etc.

Man...I want to go to UConn now.
If only they liked people from the other 49 states besides Connecticut


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I'm sorry that I don't have the actual, concrete numbers in front of me but the 16-17 tuition at UConn goes something like this.

$37,500 tuitoin
$1,500 professional school fee
$4,000ish or so for instrument kit purchase (a one time expense)
$1000ish or so on other stuff.

Without living expenses one year is about $45,000 for the sake of the argument, in-state. New England regional tuition is somewhere in the $40's, and out of region is $57,ooo or something roughly in that area. Remember everybody pays in-state the last three years.

I am lucky enough to not be paying rent, and I'm borrowing $400 per month for food/gas/cat food/in case my car needs a repairs/life etc. Rents are typically $500-$700 a month. Let's use $600 for a $1,000 per month total. That's $12,000 living, $45,000 everything else, or $57,000 per year for in-state, or each of your last three years. Say for the sake of the argument your first year costs you $80,000, and the subsequent years cost you around $60,000.

That comes out to $260,000. I could be off in my estimates of what all the real numbers are, and once I find them again and have them in front of me I'll update you, but the point of the matter is that there isn't really anyone who lives wisely who graduates with over $300,000 in debt from UConn. This will not be true in about 5 years due to tuition increases, but other schools will have increased too and it will still be a bargain. I don't really see how even an out of stater would have to borrow $90,000 for their first year.

If you have any other questions feel free to fire away.
Thanks alot dude. I wasn't criticizing you in any way it was just something I was dwelling on. So say my state school tuition is 37 grand a year but the ADA guide says 70,000ish total after the fees and what not. Would you say it is considerably less than what they estimate?

In other words, according to the chart below and I live in state, would I expect to pay the estimated costs they claim or are all the fees significantly lower than what they really say. For what its worth my undergrad school says 1200 a semester for books but in reality I spend no more than 100 bucks. I guess this is a recommended figure? Same thing with the 10,000$ a year in instrument fees. Would you mind "analyzing" this for me? Thank you so much!!
 
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Oh I didn't think you were criticizing me; I didn't mean to sound like I thought you were.

So in my experience looking at budgets, living expenses provided are usually almost always high estimates for people who are single males who don't sped like drunken sailors in alcohol and restaurant food. You're okay with splitting rent in a less than desirable neighborhood and cooking your own food, you can save at least $300 per month off of what most budgets account for. This would equal $14,400 over the course of 4 years, or basically a new car once you take into account interest.

As far as books, I can't speak to all schools, but I did not have to spend a dime on textbooks.

As far as instrument fees and whatnot, it also depends on the school, but I would expect pay full price on that.
Well I guess what you are paying for Uconn vs my ~280,000 I would be paying for my state school isn't too different, seems like a 40-50,000$ difference between the 2. You know man, it's a whole different ball game now taking into consideration finances and cost of attending dental school. However, would you consider anything under 300,000 a good deal? I know there are cheaper schools like Texas and their 20 something thousand tuition a year, but unfortunately that isn't the case for me. Plus I have to move away and don't have the ability to stay with family and commute to school
 

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Well I guess what you are paying for Uconn vs my ~280,000 I would be paying for my state school isn't too different, seems like a 40-50,000$ difference between the 2. You know man, it's a whole different ball game now taking into consideration finances and cost of attending dental school. However, would you consider anything under 300,000 a good deal? I know there are cheaper schools like Texas and their 20 something thousand tuition a year, but unfortunately that isn't the case for me. Plus I have to move away and don't have the ability to stay with family and commute to school
Dental schools for under 300k sell like hotcakes. Better get into one while you still can.
 

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Oh you have your own state dental school. Don't give me that.
I don't have a state school at all.
True that. But living here for 20 years, it'd be nice to experience places like Connecticut, California, Michigan... Though the instate tuition is pretty convincing


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That's an interesting thought experience.
How long do you estimate until we have no more dental schools under 300K (excluding TX of course)
Hopefully at least the year following my (hopeful) graduation


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True that. But living here for 20 years, it'd be nice to experience places like Connecticut, California, Michigan... Though the instate tuition is pretty convincing


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I'd rather go to an in-state school and save $200K, and then blow all that money on a 3 year vacation in Connecticut, California, Michigan...
 

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I'd rather go to an in-state school and save $200K, and then blow all that money on a 3 year vacation in Connecticut, California, Michigan...
UConn offers instate tuition after an amount of time. As do some California schools. Also, UMich has a (sorta) low tuition if I remember correctly. If there's a ~40k difference to live somewhere new, watch a dope football team for four years, and earn the same degree, in outta here.


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UConn offers instate tuition after an amount of time. As do some California schools. Also, UMich has a (sorta) low tuition if I remember correctly. If there's a ~40k difference to live somewhere new, watch a dope football team for four years, and earn the same degree, in outta here.


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This is the precise difference between UConn and Pitt.....two CHAMPION schools.

Pitt is about $40K more, it's a new city to me, and it has awesome sports teams.
So you'd recommend Pitt?
 

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Slightly OT, would it be too late to apply to UCONN if I pay the fees and everything tomorrow so it mails out on Friday? Or would that be a waste of money?
 

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This is the precise difference between UConn and Pitt.....two CHAMPION schools.

Pitt is about $40K more, it's a new city to me, and it has awesome sports teams.
So you'd recommend Pitt?
If you see no academic advantage in UConn and want to live in Pittsburgh then yeah! I'd personally pick UConn because of the high specialization rates and I because I don't want to live in a city like the burgh. However, watching the penguins and pirates would definitely make it tough (no way am I watching the steelers though).


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You go to a specific school because you fit in with its culture, mission statement, and the fact that you will feel comfortable there for 4 years. You don't go to a school for its name.

Ivy or not, work your tail off and anything down the road is possible. Just my 2 cents.
 

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Not a waste of money at all. The school hasn't conducted its first round of interviews yet (will tomorrow!)
Perfect! I don't know how I completely skipped over UConn way back in July but I'm regretting it now!