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An editorial in JAMA neurology last month promoted using Mid-levels who they concede have no neurology training to deliver neurologic care:
Several colleagues and I responded to this formally. This post is a report of what happened with that response
Understanding that many will not have access, due to a paywall, here are some excerpts from the Editorial:
_____________________________
“Currently, the supply of neurology clinicians is inadequate to meet the demands of patients, and the distribution of neurologists in the US highlights inequitable access to care.
From the perspective of APCs, there is little or no exposure to neurology in training, making it less likely they would consider neurology…
Often,APCs express dissatisfaction about not being allowed to operate to the fullest extent of their license as clinicians. A disproportionate amount of their time is relegated to answering emails and calls rather than actually seeing patients. ….
Others report limited opportunities for advancement and leadership roles. Some neurology departments promote APCs on academic tracks, but in many cases, there is no clear path for promotion. ….
In addition to financial concerns, a time commitment of 3 to 6 months is required to integrate and educate an APC in the neurology setting. When supported in their role as a clinician, retention and productivity are improved …
After hiring an APC, onboarding could be combined with resident and medical student educational offerings, encouraging a culture of inclusiveness…”
________________
In response to this editorial, members of the board of Physicians for Patient Protection wrote a letter to the editor. Here is the text of that letter:
_______________________________________________
S. Andrew Josephson, MD
Editor, JAMA Neurology
Dear Dr. Josephson,
On behalf of the board of Physicians for Patient Protection, an organization of 12,500 practicing physicians and physicians-in-training, we are writing in response to the recent Viewpoint “Advanced Practice Clinicians—Neurology’s Underused Resource” (JAMA Neurol. published online May 24, 2021. doi:10.1001/jamaneurol.2021.1416).
NP Cook and Dr. Schwarz note that the demand for neurology services outpaces the supply of physicians, pointing out that new patients can expect to wait approximately a month for a neurology appointment. The authors propose increased utilization of non-physician practitioners (NPPs)—namely, nurse practitioners (NPs) and physician assistants (PAs)—to increase patient access.
While the article argues for an increased use of NPs and PAs based on a shortage of board-certified neurologists, it also acknowledges a lack of neurology qualifications of NPs and PAs (“there is little or no exposure to neurology in training”). When primary care or other specialty physicians refer their patients to a neurologist, they are seeking care from an expert with more knowledge and training in the field of neurology, and not from a practitioner with less training than themselves. This begs the question: what is the appropriate extent of neurologic care that can (or should) be provided by non-physician practitioners with little-to-no exposure or training in the field of neurology?
The authors propose ideas to address training deficits, such as including NPs and PAs in resident and medical student educational offerings. The challenge with this suggestion is that many NPPs lack the foundational understanding of medicine and neuroanatomy that is required of physicians and is essential for the development of independent critical thinking and problem solving. NPs and PAs have a fraction of the training of physicians, with many students completing their coursework through online programs with open book exams. In addition, the nursing model on which NPs train is completely different from that of physicians, lacking a comprehensive training of physical examination skills, differential diagnosis formation, and formal neurology training.
The paper suggests that neurologists create templates and onboarding materials to assist NPPs in learning how to care for neurology patients. The time and financial investment required to get an NPP to reach educational milestones appropriate for patient care should not be portrayed as a failure of neurologists to accommodate non-neurologists in the field. For example, although fourth-year medical students have significantly more clinical hours of training than the average new NP/ PA, we doubt that the authors would hire unmatched medical school graduates to independently evaluate new and returning neurology patients. The opportunity for ‘on-the-job training’ would not be offered to unmatched physician graduates, who are expected to continue formal training to obtain adequate expertise. If a physician who has not yet completed training is not expected to be competent to provide patient care, this must be the same expectation for NPs and PAs.
While most NPs and PAs in neurology are currently utilized as physician extenders, the authors note that this leads to “dissatisfaction about not being allowed to operate to the fullest extent of their license as clinicians.” However, helping neurologists care for patients by refilling medications, coordinating care management, and performing routine follow-up visits under a physician’s supervision is an appropriate role for the training of NPPs, and this contribution may help expand access to neurology care while still ensuring that patients receive an accurate diagnosis and treatment plan from a fully trained neurologist.
According to National Residency Match data, there were 1441 applicants for only 701 PGY-1 Neurology positions. If there is a shortage of neurologists, it is obvious where the problem lies. Increasing residency positions would be the effective and responsible way to address a neurology shortage. This is particularly important in preventing health inequities. While the authors note that “the distribution of neurologists in the US highlights inequitable access to care,” they neglect to mention that the approach of replacing neurologists with lesser trained substitutes is likely to contribute to worsening health inequity. Who will determine which patients receive care from fully trained neurologists and who will be forced to see non-physician practitioners?
Ultimately, both physicians and non-physician practitioners share the goal of providing excellent patient care. Our letter is not intended to call into question this shared motivation, merely to clarify that neurology patients deserve to be cared for by neurologists, who can be assisted by other healthcare professionals with tasks suited to their training and skill level.
Sincerely,
Rebekah Bernard MD Alyson Maloy MD Roy Stoller DO
Phillip Shaffer MD Purvi Parikh MD Carmen Kavali, MD
_____________________________________________________
The response to this letter by the JAMA neurology editorial board was:
_________________________________________
RE: Letter to the Editor
Dear Dr Bernard:
Thank you for your recent letter to the editor. Unfortunately, because of the many submissions we receive and our space limitations in the Letters section, we are unable to publish your letter in JAMA Neurology.
After considering the opinions of our editorial staff, we determined your letter did not receive a high enough priority rating for publication in JAMA Neurology.
We do appreciate you taking time to write to us and thank you for the opportunity to look at your letter.
Sincerely yours,
The Associate Editors of JAMA Neurology
and
S. Andrew Josephson, MD 
Editor-in-Chief 
JAMA Neurology
_____________________________________
COMMENTS:
Claiming space limitations is odd in an era when many journals have online communications sections. If JAMA Neurology wished to have this, they certainly could
JAMA Neurology published this full-throated endorsement of APC care in Neurology, including ideas for increasing their use in Neurology. This is obviously controversial.
They received a considered letter objecting to this, written by six concerned physicians. A portion of this letter pointed out how weak their claim of needing APCs because of manpower limitations in Neurology was, given they had accepted only 50% of applicants into Neurology Residencies.
The process of science inherently requires controversial positions be given full airing, with opposing viewpoints being presented on equal footing. The refusal of this journal to publish a reasoned response to the original article’s controversial positions and assertions is the antithesis of science. It demonstrates they have a position they wish to promote, and they will not publish information that challenges there preferred position. It further calls into question the ability of the journal to be objective in all aspects of their operation.
The journal has thus told us they have no space for our counter-opinion. Thus – they reveal they have an editorial opinion – a position they are pushing – that is unrelated to science, but is a political statement promoting non-physician care of patients.
This journal has an agenda that will replace physician care with, as they admit, less qualified mid-level care
Ironically and hypocritically, they are supporting a process that is counter to their statements about health equity. Some of the patients of this department will get expert care, others will get care from people who, as they say, have no training in the field. There could be nothing more inequitable.

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An editorial in JAMA neurology last month promoted using Mid-levels who they concede have no neurology training to deliver neurologic care:
Several colleagues and I responded to this formally. This post is a report of what happened with that response
Understanding that many will not have access, due to a paywall, here are some excerpts from the Editorial:
_____________________________
“Currently, the supply of neurology clinicians is inadequate to meet the demands of patients, and the distribution of neurologists in the US highlights inequitable access to care.
From the perspective of APCs, there is little or no exposure to neurology in training, making it less likely they would consider neurology…
Often,APCs express dissatisfaction about not being allowed to operate to the fullest extent of their license as clinicians. A disproportionate amount of their time is relegated to answering emails and calls rather than actually seeing patients. ….
Others report limited opportunities for advancement and leadership roles. Some neurology departments promote APCs on academic tracks, but in many cases, there is no clear path for promotion. ….
In addition to financial concerns, a time commitment of 3 to 6 months is required to integrate and educate an APC in the neurology setting. When supported in their role as a clinician, retention and productivity are improved …
After hiring an APC, onboarding could be combined with resident and medical student educational offerings, encouraging a culture of inclusiveness…”
________________
In response to this editorial, members of the board of Physicians for Patient Protection wrote a letter to the editor. Here is the text of that letter:
_______________________________________________
S. Andrew Josephson, MD
Editor, JAMA Neurology
Dear Dr. Josephson,
On behalf of the board of Physicians for Patient Protection, an organization of 12,500 practicing physicians and physicians-in-training, we are writing in response to the recent Viewpoint “Advanced Practice Clinicians—Neurology’s Underused Resource” (JAMA Neurol. published online May 24, 2021. doi:10.1001/jamaneurol.2021.1416).
NP Cook and Dr. Schwarz note that the demand for neurology services outpaces the supply of physicians, pointing out that new patients can expect to wait approximately a month for a neurology appointment. The authors propose increased utilization of non-physician practitioners (NPPs)—namely, nurse practitioners (NPs) and physician assistants (PAs)—to increase patient access.
While the article argues for an increased use of NPs and PAs based on a shortage of board-certified neurologists, it also acknowledges a lack of neurology qualifications of NPs and PAs (“there is little or no exposure to neurology in training”). When primary care or other specialty physicians refer their patients to a neurologist, they are seeking care from an expert with more knowledge and training in the field of neurology, and not from a practitioner with less training than themselves. This begs the question: what is the appropriate extent of neurologic care that can (or should) be provided by non-physician practitioners with little-to-no exposure or training in the field of neurology?
The authors propose ideas to address training deficits, such as including NPs and PAs in resident and medical student educational offerings. The challenge with this suggestion is that many NPPs lack the foundational understanding of medicine and neuroanatomy that is required of physicians and is essential for the development of independent critical thinking and problem solving. NPs and PAs have a fraction of the training of physicians, with many students completing their coursework through online programs with open book exams. In addition, the nursing model on which NPs train is completely different from that of physicians, lacking a comprehensive training of physical examination skills, differential diagnosis formation, and formal neurology training.
The paper suggests that neurologists create templates and onboarding materials to assist NPPs in learning how to care for neurology patients. The time and financial investment required to get an NPP to reach educational milestones appropriate for patient care should not be portrayed as a failure of neurologists to accommodate non-neurologists in the field. For example, although fourth-year medical students have significantly more clinical hours of training than the average new NP/ PA, we doubt that the authors would hire unmatched medical school graduates to independently evaluate new and returning neurology patients. The opportunity for ‘on-the-job training’ would not be offered to unmatched physician graduates, who are expected to continue formal training to obtain adequate expertise. If a physician who has not yet completed training is not expected to be competent to provide patient care, this must be the same expectation for NPs and PAs.
While most NPs and PAs in neurology are currently utilized as physician extenders, the authors note that this leads to “dissatisfaction about not being allowed to operate to the fullest extent of their license as clinicians.” However, helping neurologists care for patients by refilling medications, coordinating care management, and performing routine follow-up visits under a physician’s supervision is an appropriate role for the training of NPPs, and this contribution may help expand access to neurology care while still ensuring that patients receive an accurate diagnosis and treatment plan from a fully trained neurologist.
According to National Residency Match data, there were 1441 applicants for only 701 PGY-1 Neurology positions. If there is a shortage of neurologists, it is obvious where the problem lies. Increasing residency positions would be the effective and responsible way to address a neurology shortage. This is particularly important in preventing health inequities. While the authors note that “the distribution of neurologists in the US highlights inequitable access to care,” they neglect to mention that the approach of replacing neurologists with lesser trained substitutes is likely to contribute to worsening health inequity. Who will determine which patients receive care from fully trained neurologists and who will be forced to see non-physician practitioners?
Ultimately, both physicians and non-physician practitioners share the goal of providing excellent patient care. Our letter is not intended to call into question this shared motivation, merely to clarify that neurology patients deserve to be cared for by neurologists, who can be assisted by other healthcare professionals with tasks suited to their training and skill level.
Sincerely,
Rebekah Bernard MD Alyson Maloy MD Roy Stoller DO
Phillip Shaffer MD Purvi Parikh MD Carmen Kavali, MD
_____________________________________________________
The response to this letter by the JAMA neurology editorial board was:
_________________________________________
RE: Letter to the Editor
Dear Dr Bernard:
Thank you for your recent letter to the editor. Unfortunately, because of the many submissions we receive and our space limitations in the Letters section, we are unable to publish your letter in JAMA Neurology.
After considering the opinions of our editorial staff, we determined your letter did not receive a high enough priority rating for publication in JAMA Neurology.
We do appreciate you taking time to write to us and thank you for the opportunity to look at your letter.
Sincerely yours,
The Associate Editors of JAMA Neurology
and
S. Andrew Josephson, MD 
Editor-in-Chief 
JAMA Neurology
_____________________________________
COMMENTS:
Claiming space limitations is odd in an era when many journals have online communications sections. If JAMA Neurology wished to have this, they certainly could
JAMA Neurology published this full-throated endorsement of APC care in Neurology, including ideas for increasing their use in Neurology. This is obviously controversial.
They received a considered letter objecting to this, written by six concerned physicians. A portion of this letter pointed out how weak their claim of needing APCs because of manpower limitations in Neurology was, given they had accepted only 50% of applicants into Neurology Residencies.
The process of science inherently requires controversial positions be given full airing, with opposing viewpoints being presented on equal footing. The refusal of this journal to publish a reasoned response to the original article’s controversial positions and assertions is the antithesis of science. It demonstrates they have a position they wish to promote, and they will not publish information that challenges there preferred position. It further calls into question the ability of the journal to be objective in all aspects of their operation.
The journal has thus told us they have no space for our counter-opinion. Thus – they reveal they have an editorial opinion – a position they are pushing – that is unrelated to science, but is a political statement promoting non-physician care of patients.
This journal has an agenda that will replace physician care with, as they admit, less qualified mid-level care
Ironically and hypocritically, they are supporting a process that is counter to their statements about health equity. Some of the patients of this department will get expert care, others will get care from people who, as they say, have no training in the field. There could be nothing more inequitable.

I'm sincerely glad you posted this. All over this unhappy forum, there are plenty of articles pushing the MLPs into colonoscopy's, cardiac catheterizations, skin excisions, and further into diagnosis and treatment. Physicians in this country have plenty of enemies...I guess we will have to add agenda driven JAMA editors to the list. Shameful.
 
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An editorial in JAMA neurology last month promoted using Mid-levels who they concede have no neurology training to deliver neurologic care:
Several colleagues and I responded to this formally. This post is a report of what happened with that response
Understanding that many will not have access, due to a paywall, here are some excerpts from the Editorial:
_____________________________
“Currently, the supply of neurology clinicians is inadequate to meet the demands of patients, and the distribution of neurologists in the US highlights inequitable access to care.
From the perspective of APCs, there is little or no exposure to neurology in training, making it less likely they would consider neurology…
Often,APCs express dissatisfaction about not being allowed to operate to the fullest extent of their license as clinicians. A disproportionate amount of their time is relegated to answering emails and calls rather than actually seeing patients. ….
Others report limited opportunities for advancement and leadership roles. Some neurology departments promote APCs on academic tracks, but in many cases, there is no clear path for promotion. ….
In addition to financial concerns, a time commitment of 3 to 6 months is required to integrate and educate an APC in the neurology setting. When supported in their role as a clinician, retention and productivity are improved …
After hiring an APC, onboarding could be combined with resident and medical student educational offerings, encouraging a culture of inclusiveness…”
________________
In response to this editorial, members of the board of Physicians for Patient Protection wrote a letter to the editor. Here is the text of that letter:
_______________________________________________
S. Andrew Josephson, MD
Editor, JAMA Neurology
Dear Dr. Josephson,
On behalf of the board of Physicians for Patient Protection, an organization of 12,500 practicing physicians and physicians-in-training, we are writing in response to the recent Viewpoint “Advanced Practice Clinicians—Neurology’s Underused Resource” (JAMA Neurol. published online May 24, 2021. doi:10.1001/jamaneurol.2021.1416).
NP Cook and Dr. Schwarz note that the demand for neurology services outpaces the supply of physicians, pointing out that new patients can expect to wait approximately a month for a neurology appointment. The authors propose increased utilization of non-physician practitioners (NPPs)—namely, nurse practitioners (NPs) and physician assistants (PAs)—to increase patient access.
While the article argues for an increased use of NPs and PAs based on a shortage of board-certified neurologists, it also acknowledges a lack of neurology qualifications of NPs and PAs (“there is little or no exposure to neurology in training”). When primary care or other specialty physicians refer their patients to a neurologist, they are seeking care from an expert with more knowledge and training in the field of neurology, and not from a practitioner with less training than themselves. This begs the question: what is the appropriate extent of neurologic care that can (or should) be provided by non-physician practitioners with little-to-no exposure or training in the field of neurology?
The authors propose ideas to address training deficits, such as including NPs and PAs in resident and medical student educational offerings. The challenge with this suggestion is that many NPPs lack the foundational understanding of medicine and neuroanatomy that is required of physicians and is essential for the development of independent critical thinking and problem solving. NPs and PAs have a fraction of the training of physicians, with many students completing their coursework through online programs with open book exams. In addition, the nursing model on which NPs train is completely different from that of physicians, lacking a comprehensive training of physical examination skills, differential diagnosis formation, and formal neurology training.
The paper suggests that neurologists create templates and onboarding materials to assist NPPs in learning how to care for neurology patients. The time and financial investment required to get an NPP to reach educational milestones appropriate for patient care should not be portrayed as a failure of neurologists to accommodate non-neurologists in the field. For example, although fourth-year medical students have significantly more clinical hours of training than the average new NP/ PA, we doubt that the authors would hire unmatched medical school graduates to independently evaluate new and returning neurology patients. The opportunity for ‘on-the-job training’ would not be offered to unmatched physician graduates, who are expected to continue formal training to obtain adequate expertise. If a physician who has not yet completed training is not expected to be competent to provide patient care, this must be the same expectation for NPs and PAs.
While most NPs and PAs in neurology are currently utilized as physician extenders, the authors note that this leads to “dissatisfaction about not being allowed to operate to the fullest extent of their license as clinicians.” However, helping neurologists care for patients by refilling medications, coordinating care management, and performing routine follow-up visits under a physician’s supervision is an appropriate role for the training of NPPs, and this contribution may help expand access to neurology care while still ensuring that patients receive an accurate diagnosis and treatment plan from a fully trained neurologist.
According to National Residency Match data, there were 1441 applicants for only 701 PGY-1 Neurology positions. If there is a shortage of neurologists, it is obvious where the problem lies. Increasing residency positions would be the effective and responsible way to address a neurology shortage. This is particularly important in preventing health inequities. While the authors note that “the distribution of neurologists in the US highlights inequitable access to care,” they neglect to mention that the approach of replacing neurologists with lesser trained substitutes is likely to contribute to worsening health inequity. Who will determine which patients receive care from fully trained neurologists and who will be forced to see non-physician practitioners?
Ultimately, both physicians and non-physician practitioners share the goal of providing excellent patient care. Our letter is not intended to call into question this shared motivation, merely to clarify that neurology patients deserve to be cared for by neurologists, who can be assisted by other healthcare professionals with tasks suited to their training and skill level.
Sincerely,
Rebekah Bernard MD Alyson Maloy MD Roy Stoller DO
Phillip Shaffer MD Purvi Parikh MD Carmen Kavali, MD
_____________________________________________________
The response to this letter by the JAMA neurology editorial board was:
_________________________________________
RE: Letter to the Editor
Dear Dr Bernard:
Thank you for your recent letter to the editor. Unfortunately, because of the many submissions we receive and our space limitations in the Letters section, we are unable to publish your letter in JAMA Neurology.
After considering the opinions of our editorial staff, we determined your letter did not receive a high enough priority rating for publication in JAMA Neurology.
We do appreciate you taking time to write to us and thank you for the opportunity to look at your letter.
Sincerely yours,
The Associate Editors of JAMA Neurology
and
S. Andrew Josephson, MD 
Editor-in-Chief 
JAMA Neurology
_____________________________________
COMMENTS:
Claiming space limitations is odd in an era when many journals have online communications sections. If JAMA Neurology wished to have this, they certainly could
JAMA Neurology published this full-throated endorsement of APC care in Neurology, including ideas for increasing their use in Neurology. This is obviously controversial.
They received a considered letter objecting to this, written by six concerned physicians. A portion of this letter pointed out how weak their claim of needing APCs because of manpower limitations in Neurology was, given they had accepted only 50% of applicants into Neurology Residencies.
The process of science inherently requires controversial positions be given full airing, with opposing viewpoints being presented on equal footing. The refusal of this journal to publish a reasoned response to the original article’s controversial positions and assertions is the antithesis of science. It demonstrates they have a position they wish to promote, and they will not publish information that challenges there preferred position. It further calls into question the ability of the journal to be objective in all aspects of their operation.
The journal has thus told us they have no space for our counter-opinion. Thus – they reveal they have an editorial opinion – a position they are pushing – that is unrelated to science, but is a political statement promoting non-physician care of patients.
This journal has an agenda that will replace physician care with, as they admit, less qualified mid-level care
Ironically and hypocritically, they are supporting a process that is counter to their statements about health equity. Some of the patients of this department will get expert care, others will get care from people who, as they say, have no training in the field. There could be nothing more inequitable.

First class What the actual FUK is going on?!

The fact JAMA one of the most prestigious journal in the US won’t even publish the rebuttal is disappointing and sad.
 
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First class What the actual FUK is going on?!

The fact JAMA one of the most prestigious journal in the US won’t even publish the rebuttal is disappointing and sad.
Absolutely shameful.

Seriously. Who would you want your family member to see?

Noctor with a 3-6 month neuro crash course

or a pgy1 MD/DO with 3-6 months of neuro?
 
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Wow this is ridiculous. I think we as a society are getting too comfortable silencing speech that does not meet our world view or confirmation bias. It started with culture and politics and now it has seeped into science/medicine and in scientific journals- places that should have no biases. An evidence based place where everything is based on objectivity and data; but looks like the opposite is happening.

I mean even AAN publishes ridiculous stuff like this. I don't know what we can do? I don't follow JAMA but I hate to quit my AAN membership.
 
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This is absolutely unacceptable. I am ending my AMA membership after reading this.

I have read enough medical records and seen enough attempts by mid levels to act as neurologists to be adamant that these editors need to be stopped. Their position has to elicit an outcry of opposition.
 
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It is also shameful that mid levels are allowing themselves to take jobs that they are underqualified for, and they are comfortable with it.

I would totally have it on my conscience and avoid taking risks where I am putting others at risk. I guess the money silences that voice for them.
 
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It is also shameful that mid levels are allowing themselves to take jobs that they are underqualified for, and they are comfortable with it.

I would totally have it on my conscience and avoid taking risks where I am putting others at risk. I guess the money silences that voice for them.

You don’t know what you don’t know.

I’d feel pretty good if the AMA gave me a glowing review about my ability to take care of patients against my over-trained and over-paid “counterparts”. /s if you haven’t figured out.
 
It is also shameful that mid levels are allowing themselves to take jobs that they are underqualified for, and they are comfortable with it.

I would totally have it on my conscience and avoid taking risks where I am putting others at risk. I guess the money silences that voice for them.
Midlevels think they're as good, if not better than physicians. If anything, they'll think they're actually overqualified for the jobs. The Dunning-Kruger effect is strong for them:

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The real tragedy is the physicians and now JAMA aggressively defending midlevels while rejecting and condemning every single concern about the dangers increased midlevel expansion poses to patient care.
 
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An editorial in JAMA neurology last month promoted using Mid-levels who they concede have no neurology training to deliver neurologic care:
Several colleagues and I responded to this formally. This post is a report of what happened with that response
Understanding that many will not have access, due to a paywall, here are some excerpts from the Editorial:
_____________________________
“Currently, the supply of neurology clinicians is inadequate to meet the demands of patients, and the distribution of neurologists in the US highlights inequitable access to care.
From the perspective of APCs, there is little or no exposure to neurology in training, making it less likely they would consider neurology…
Often,APCs express dissatisfaction about not being allowed to operate to the fullest extent of their license as clinicians. A disproportionate amount of their time is relegated to answering emails and calls rather than actually seeing patients. ….
Others report limited opportunities for advancement and leadership roles. Some neurology departments promote APCs on academic tracks, but in many cases, there is no clear path for promotion. ….
In addition to financial concerns, a time commitment of 3 to 6 months is required to integrate and educate an APC in the neurology setting. When supported in their role as a clinician, retention and productivity are improved …
After hiring an APC, onboarding could be combined with resident and medical student educational offerings, encouraging a culture of inclusiveness…”
________________
In response to this editorial, members of the board of Physicians for Patient Protection wrote a letter to the editor. Here is the text of that letter:
_______________________________________________
S. Andrew Josephson, MD
Editor, JAMA Neurology
Dear Dr. Josephson,
On behalf of the board of Physicians for Patient Protection, an organization of 12,500 practicing physicians and physicians-in-training, we are writing in response to the recent Viewpoint “Advanced Practice Clinicians—Neurology’s Underused Resource” (JAMA Neurol. published online May 24, 2021. doi:10.1001/jamaneurol.2021.1416).
NP Cook and Dr. Schwarz note that the demand for neurology services outpaces the supply of physicians, pointing out that new patients can expect to wait approximately a month for a neurology appointment. The authors propose increased utilization of non-physician practitioners (NPPs)—namely, nurse practitioners (NPs) and physician assistants (PAs)—to increase patient access.
While the article argues for an increased use of NPs and PAs based on a shortage of board-certified neurologists, it also acknowledges a lack of neurology qualifications of NPs and PAs (“there is little or no exposure to neurology in training”). When primary care or other specialty physicians refer their patients to a neurologist, they are seeking care from an expert with more knowledge and training in the field of neurology, and not from a practitioner with less training than themselves. This begs the question: what is the appropriate extent of neurologic care that can (or should) be provided by non-physician practitioners with little-to-no exposure or training in the field of neurology?
The authors propose ideas to address training deficits, such as including NPs and PAs in resident and medical student educational offerings. The challenge with this suggestion is that many NPPs lack the foundational understanding of medicine and neuroanatomy that is required of physicians and is essential for the development of independent critical thinking and problem solving. NPs and PAs have a fraction of the training of physicians, with many students completing their coursework through online programs with open book exams. In addition, the nursing model on which NPs train is completely different from that of physicians, lacking a comprehensive training of physical examination skills, differential diagnosis formation, and formal neurology training.
The paper suggests that neurologists create templates and onboarding materials to assist NPPs in learning how to care for neurology patients. The time and financial investment required to get an NPP to reach educational milestones appropriate for patient care should not be portrayed as a failure of neurologists to accommodate non-neurologists in the field. For example, although fourth-year medical students have significantly more clinical hours of training than the average new NP/ PA, we doubt that the authors would hire unmatched medical school graduates to independently evaluate new and returning neurology patients. The opportunity for ‘on-the-job training’ would not be offered to unmatched physician graduates, who are expected to continue formal training to obtain adequate expertise. If a physician who has not yet completed training is not expected to be competent to provide patient care, this must be the same expectation for NPs and PAs.
While most NPs and PAs in neurology are currently utilized as physician extenders, the authors note that this leads to “dissatisfaction about not being allowed to operate to the fullest extent of their license as clinicians.” However, helping neurologists care for patients by refilling medications, coordinating care management, and performing routine follow-up visits under a physician’s supervision is an appropriate role for the training of NPPs, and this contribution may help expand access to neurology care while still ensuring that patients receive an accurate diagnosis and treatment plan from a fully trained neurologist.
According to National Residency Match data, there were 1441 applicants for only 701 PGY-1 Neurology positions. If there is a shortage of neurologists, it is obvious where the problem lies. Increasing residency positions would be the effective and responsible way to address a neurology shortage. This is particularly important in preventing health inequities. While the authors note that “the distribution of neurologists in the US highlights inequitable access to care,” they neglect to mention that the approach of replacing neurologists with lesser trained substitutes is likely to contribute to worsening health inequity. Who will determine which patients receive care from fully trained neurologists and who will be forced to see non-physician practitioners?
Ultimately, both physicians and non-physician practitioners share the goal of providing excellent patient care. Our letter is not intended to call into question this shared motivation, merely to clarify that neurology patients deserve to be cared for by neurologists, who can be assisted by other healthcare professionals with tasks suited to their training and skill level.
Sincerely,
Rebekah Bernard MD Alyson Maloy MD Roy Stoller DO
Phillip Shaffer MD Purvi Parikh MD Carmen Kavali, MD
_____________________________________________________
The response to this letter by the JAMA neurology editorial board was:
_________________________________________
RE: Letter to the Editor
Dear Dr Bernard:
Thank you for your recent letter to the editor. Unfortunately, because of the many submissions we receive and our space limitations in the Letters section, we are unable to publish your letter in JAMA Neurology.
After considering the opinions of our editorial staff, we determined your letter did not receive a high enough priority rating for publication in JAMA Neurology.
We do appreciate you taking time to write to us and thank you for the opportunity to look at your letter.
Sincerely yours,
The Associate Editors of JAMA Neurology
and
S. Andrew Josephson, MD 
Editor-in-Chief 
JAMA Neurology
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COMMENTS:
Claiming space limitations is odd in an era when many journals have online communications sections. If JAMA Neurology wished to have this, they certainly could
JAMA Neurology published this full-throated endorsement of APC care in Neurology, including ideas for increasing their use in Neurology. This is obviously controversial.
They received a considered letter objecting to this, written by six concerned physicians. A portion of this letter pointed out how weak their claim of needing APCs because of manpower limitations in Neurology was, given they had accepted only 50% of applicants into Neurology Residencies.
The process of science inherently requires controversial positions be given full airing, with opposing viewpoints being presented on equal footing. The refusal of this journal to publish a reasoned response to the original article’s controversial positions and assertions is the antithesis of science. It demonstrates they have a position they wish to promote, and they will not publish information that challenges there preferred position. It further calls into question the ability of the journal to be objective in all aspects of their operation.
The journal has thus told us they have no space for our counter-opinion. Thus – they reveal they have an editorial opinion – a position they are pushing – that is unrelated to science, but is a political statement promoting non-physician care of patients.
This journal has an agenda that will replace physician care with, as they admit, less qualified mid-level care
Ironically and hypocritically, they are supporting a process that is counter to their statements about health equity. Some of the patients of this department will get expert care, others will get care from people who, as they say, have no training in the field. There could be nothing more inequitable.
Things like this is one of many reasons I have never been a member nor will I ever be a member of the AMA. They are always have a political agenda. However, the academic "elites" like Josephson and Richard Isaacson (who said on an AAN podcast that there was no difference between NPs and MDs) have bowed to the NP/PA lobbying groups and are throwing their fellow neurologists under the bus.
 
It is also shameful that mid levels are allowing themselves to take jobs that they are underqualified for, and they are comfortable with it.

I would totally have it on my conscience and avoid taking risks where I am putting others at risk. I guess the money silences that voice for them.
The NP/PAs don't care. If they mess up, it falls onto the supervising MD/DO. This is why I don't supervise any NP/PA.
 
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Wow this is ridiculous. I think we as a society are getting too comfortable silencing speech that does not meet our world view or confirmation bias. It started with culture and politics and now it has seeped into science/medicine and in scientific journals- places that should have no biases. An evidence based place where everything is based on objectivity and data; but looks like the opposite is happening.

I mean even AAN publishes ridiculous stuff like this. I don't know what we can do? I don't follow JAMA but I hate to quit my AAN membership.

What the hell does the AAN do? Have a total mess of a conference, journal, and have endless meetings in which they misuse funds. THe whole thing is just a big bloated horror.

I quit after that podcast where Isaacson, who thinks one can prevent Alzheimer’s disease with vitamins and exercise, announced that NP’s were “just like doctors.” And the AAN did nothing to correct this.

For the AAN, this makes perfect sense. More members who are extenders, who chase fake certifications that the AAN sells. The extenders are more complacent, happy to tow the AAN party line when it comes to their favorite ideology: reduce pharma prices, reduce opioids, pot. The only useful thing about the AAN is the criteria for brain death. One could throw out everything else.

Quit.
 
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What the hell does the AAN do? Have a total mess of a conference, journal, and have endless meetings in which they misuse funds. THe whole thing is just a big bloated horror.

I quit after that podcast where Isaacson, who thinks one can prevent Alzheimer’s disease with vitamins and exercise, announced that NP’s were “just like doctors.” And the AAN did nothing to correct this.

For the AAN, this makes perfect sense. More members who are extenders, who chase fake certifications that the AAN sells. The extenders are more complacent, happy to tow the AAN party line when it comes to their favorite ideology: reduce pharma prices, reduce opioids, pot. The only useful thing about the AAN is the criteria for brain death. One could throw out everything else.

Quit.
Can you describe why is it such a bad organization? I like their conferences and their journal and educational/career resources. The only fowl play is their stance on midlevels (which is a big deal obviously).

What am I missing?
 
Can you describe why is it such a bad organization? I like their conferences and their journal and educational/career resources. The only fowl play is their stance on midlevels (which is a big deal obviously).

What am I missing?

1. Conference is a huge mess. Just a Frankenstein monster of random talks. Mostly it is for residency reunions and to meet new friends.
2. Neurology as a journal is good. I give you that.
3. THe educational resources put the AAN in bed with the ABPN MOC, which totally sucks. The AAN never stands up for neurologists here. Because they offer MOC and CME! This conflict, undue burden on their members vs. money for them, always comes down on latter. AAN will always chose money over their member’s wellbeing.
4. They are clueless. They try to increase admin bloat every time they can. Plays out with EMR meaningless use, or other Medicare mandates. The AAN is generally full of people who hate seeing patients, so they do this nonsense admin work, which gives rise to ‘rules for thee, not for me’ mentality and actions.
5. Drug prices. It takes amazing work to develop a drug. Pharma profits are high because of the work, the risk, and the expense. There ARE abuses in pharma, like Skreli and the Epipen, which corner the market and increase prices without the R&D. But the AAN always goes out of its way to try to reduce pharma market share, profits, margins. And yet they obviously cash their checks for ads and conference space. Such hypocrisy.
6. Has any neurologist been removed from membership? There was a local guy who used to be a bottom of barrel expert witness in lawsuits against neurologists. I know at least three people who complained to the AAN about his perjury. And yet he was a FAAN for life.

So I just think it is a generally useless organization. When it is effective, it is usually negative.
 
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Midlevels think they're as good, if not better than physicians. If anything, they'll think they're actually overqualified for the jobs. The Dunning-Kruger effect is strong for them:

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The real tragedy is the physicians and now JAMA aggressively defending midlevels while rejecting and condemning every single concern about the dangers increased midlevel expansion poses to patient care.
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No no no, you see, according to MAYO CLINIC, your neurology nurse practitioner is equivalent to any neurology fellow, so long as he/she had 2 years of experience of course. How dare you criticize your noctor colleagues as “midlevels”. Imagine that, any neuro NP with two years experience is considered equal to your neurocrit care fellow.

Seriously…academics are at the forefront of destroying medicine
 
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Medicine is so f’ed.
Unfortunately SDN pediatric mods lock their threads that criticize midlevels, so here we are:


Rock, a labor and delivery nurse, recalled learning about retinoblastoma – a type of eye cancer that begins in the back of the eye and is most common in children. Tumors in the eye can be detected in photo flashes as white when the tumor covers what would typically be a red-colored reflection of the retina.

"I knew right then and there that Asher had cancer. It was chilling to say the least. He was just a baby," Rock said.

She took more photos on a professional camera and shared them with her nurse practitioner colleagues, who told her the glow in Asher's eye may simply been due to the lighting.

But Rock wanted to be sure, so she took Asher to the pediatrician.

"I remember the color drained from her [the doctor’s] face after she did the proper examination. She turned the lights off and looked at his eyes and said, ‘Something’s not right’," Rock said.
 
Unfortunately SDN pediatric mods lock their threads that criticize midlevels, so here we are:


Rock, a labor and delivery nurse, recalled learning about retinoblastoma – a type of eye cancer that begins in the back of the eye and is most common in children. Tumors in the eye can be detected in photo flashes as white when the tumor covers what would typically be a red-colored reflection of the retina.

"I knew right then and there that Asher had cancer. It was chilling to say the least. He was just a baby," Rock said.

She took more photos on a professional camera and shared them with her nurse practitioner colleagues, who told her the glow in Asher's eye may simply been due to the lighting.

But Rock wanted to be sure, so she took Asher to the pediatrician.

"I remember the color drained from her [the doctor’s] face after she did the proper examination. She turned the lights off and looked at his eyes and said, ‘Something’s not right’," Rock said.

You know someone has done the math and come to the conclusion that a few more deaths and lawsuits here and there is still a money save by hiring more midlevels over physicians.

Its not about the patients, its about the money.
 
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Let's put this in another way, I'll play devil's advocate. Why is it that these big hospitals push and strive for so much midlevels? A lot of these places like hopkins, mayo etc have NP programs/"fellowships" you can do. Is it because they're not really concerned about their level of expertise, so the doctors aren't really bothered or feel threatened. OR, is it they could be bothered by this, and can't speak up to the leadership at said hopsitals? If this was the case, would they not move etc?
 
Selfloathing, also its now politically correct and socially acceptable to be anti intellectual and anti-elitist.

Those big mean doctors are just trying to keep the APPs down. Also somehow sexism has gotten tossed into the equation with physicians being sexist men and NPs all being female.
 
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Let's put this in another way, I'll play devil's advocate. Why is it that these big hospitals push and strive for so much midlevels? A lot of these places like hopkins, mayo etc have NP programs/"fellowships" you can do. Is it because they're not really concerned about their level of expertise, so the doctors aren't really bothered or feel threatened. OR, is it they could be bothered by this, and can't speak up to the leadership at said hopsitals? If this was the case, would they not move etc?

It simply comes down to - most doctors today have a good job and salary (for now!). They are not interested in anything other than seeing patients, teaching and research. We only have so much time in the day and so much energy for our personal lives. We can't be bothered to worry abut these things. But hopefully some are starting to wake up to this disaster.
 
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It simply comes down to - most doctors today have a good job and salary (for now!). They are not interested in anything other than seeing patients, teaching and research. We only have so much time in the day and so much energy for our personal lives. We can't be bothered to worry abut these things. But hopefully some are starting to wake up to this disaster.

True. But I don’t think that’s the whole problem.

We spent our whole career learning about medicine, that’s one of the distinguishing factors between us and midlevels.
It’s not fair to criticize us for spending too much time studying medicine when that’s what really sets us apart from midlevels.

I am not saying that’s not the reality; however, if that’s the standard of practice medicine, we shouldn’t lower our standard or making that argument as the way out of this mess.

Be the best of what we do, know the most to be the specialist isn’t the problem. I want to get paid the most, because I am the best of what I do isn’t “wrong”. What if the insurance co-pay for seeing a np is different than a physician? What if the insurance payment to the hospital/practice is also based on np/pa vs md/do?
 
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There is legislation in the works in places to have insurance reimburse midlevels at same rate as physicians. When this happens, which it likely will at some point, hospitals will have a huge incentive to hire more midlevels, pay them less than physicians, but get reimbursed by insurqnce at the same rate. Huge win for hospitals. My hospital is already hiring more midlevel “hospitalists” who function independently.

Future is pretty bleak. Pay those loans off asap.
 
Yeah the pediatric forum on here has completely drank the mid level koolaid..we’re so ****ed
 
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Selfloathing, also its now politically correct and socially acceptable to be anti intellectual and anti-elitist.

Those big mean doctors are just trying to keep the APPs down. Also somehow sexism has gotten tossed into the equation with physicians being sexist men and NPs all being female.

And bizarrely, the civil rights movement is somehow brought into the discussion. Because nothing parallels midlevel expansion like rosa parks riding at the front of the bus or the freedom riders in Mississippi. With mean old doctors being the racist and murderous sheriffs terrorizing those poor NPs who want nothing more than their freedom. Nauseating
 
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I read a screed by a Missouri NP back in ‘08 that was from like ‘99 or so. It was bemoaning the lack of prescriptive authority. I found it utterly disgusting how the NP bucked against the notion that even were she to gain said authority, she would still be beholden to the oversight of a physician. What pride.
 
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