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Hi guys just wondering if anyone knows anything about the job market in NJ. Mostly Central or Northern NJ.

Feel free to send me a private message if you'd prefer to talk that way.

Thanks for everyone's help in advance.
 
Why anyone would want to live in NJ; One of THE most expensive and crowded states, is beyond me. And it is cold. Must be family. Mine almost drove me back to my homestate of TX. But chose another warmer climate almost just as cheap. I can certainly understand the family thing though. Otherwise, I would keep options open. Good luck.
 
Job market is a lot better than nyc, but it's still the northeast so the majority of positions are with amc's. You look further out from the city and there are still private groups, but most if not all are trying to maintain income by employing new grads instead of adding partners. My guess is all will be bought up by AMC's within the next few years. Basically it's the same as the job market anywhere in the northeast...


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It's an awesome place that's why it's so crowded. Does anyone know what the ball park that AMC's are paying? $250? $300?

Thanks.
 
Nothing that's crowded is awesome. Or definitely not for long.

One simple reason, labor market-wise: supply >> demand. That by itself almost guarantees very few really good positions.
 
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chocomorsel said:
This is an honest question Russian Joo,
Why is it so awesome?

Are you from there?
Personally I prefer space. I now live in PA and when I go to the cities, it bothers me how it's so crowded and how abrasive people are.
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I agree with Russian Joo. Not just NJ, but the entire NYC metro area. You have Manhattan, The Hamptons, The Jersey Shore, I have a reasonable drive to Vermont for skiing all winter long. It's not for everyone, but it is a pretty awesome life if that's what you are into.
 
There is a large group that covers St Barnabas hospital as well as other places, I'm pretty sure you're aware of it. This is all second hand knowledge BTW. They will start you out at 300. Partner track is either 2 or 3 years, and I'm sure partners are at least >400, more if cardiac. You will be abused by partners til u make it, so expect to work ur tail off. Personally, I wouldn't live in NJ unless ties to the area but it's not as bad as people make it out to be, some beautiful neighborhoods and areas hidden out there with NYC short trip away
 
Alright, to each their own.
I prefer space, sunshine, and reasonably priced stuff. Like a nice house for less than 400K. The East Coast is not for me.
 
chocomorsel said:
Alright, to each their own.
I prefer space, sunshine, and reasonably priced stuff. Like a nice house for less than 400K. The East Coast is not for me.
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Same here. So what markets would you recommend? (I am on the East Coast, but looking to relocate in 2016.)
 
FFP said:
Same here. So what markets would you recommend? (I am on the East Coast, but looking to relocate in 2016.)
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The Southwest. Anywhere from TX Westward and stop before Cali. Lots of MD/DO practices to choose from as well. I believe Colarado and Utah are good places too with lots of sun, but they do get cold in winter. Been looking for a job for the past 15 months and finally found a good one out west. Can't wait.
 
What are you doing your fellowship in? New fellowship trained faculty get over 300k with about 7 weeks off and very nice benefits at my program. Of course, it is much warmer, less crime, and some of the nicest, least litigious people in the country so you probably won't like it in comparison to NJ
 
BobBarker said:
What are you doing your fellowship in? New fellowship trained faculty get over 300k with about 7 weeks off and very nice benefits at my program. Of course, it is much warmer, less crime, and some of the nicest, least litigious people in the country so you probably won't like it in comparison to NJ
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Where is that?
 
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Do you know what kind of practice you're looking for (PP vs academic vs semi-academic? All physician vs 50% vs signing Charts?).

If you are fellowship trained, will you be doing your respective sub-specialty?

Pay structure (FFS vs straight salary vs potential for extra call)?

What about compensation package (1099 vs w2? 401/3? How often you get paid monthly vs twice monthly)?

If none of these questions matter to you, just go to www.gaswork.com and submit your CV. If some of these issues do matter start calling groups to get an idea and make contacts. The "good" spots usually don't have to advertise even though they have needs. You making the effort may pay off in finding a job that fits your needs. The NY/NJ/CT have tons of jobs, but not all may be a good fit (if you have that matters to you).

I can tell you what worked for me was cold calling and following up. The administrative staff recognizes it and should something opens up, you may be at the top of the list.

Good luck.
 
chocomorsel said:
The Southwest. Anywhere from TX Westward and stop before Cali. Lots of MD/DO practices to choose from as well. I believe Colarado and Utah are good places too with lots of sun, but they do get cold in winter. Been looking for a job for the past 15 months and finally found a good one out west. Can't wait.
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I have had a different experience looking for good jobs in the West. I have been focused on CO, UT, MT, WY, and NV/NorCal (think Tahoe) mostly, but have been unable to find good jobs any of those places. Jobs that do show up (which seem to be few and far between) tend to be very low pay and usually 1099 without benefits. Trying to break into Utah is like a complete ****e-show. I have a few friends who moved out there and worked super part-time 1099 gigs for a few YEARS before getting full time jobs within those same groups. And then the pay/vacation was not competitive. Or another buddy who uprooted his family to sign on at Vail Valley (who suddenly had tons of openings after not hiring for years). Turns out they got taken over by an AMC and everybody had left (bad sign). My buddy stayed three months before hightailing it back to Michigan.There are jobs to be had occasionally, but they tend not to be stellar. Of course, all of this may be moot if you have the right connection to the right group who just happens to be hiring right then.

Personally, my plan is to make bank up here in the frozen tundra for a few more years and then decamp to the mountains when I have enough cash to sit back and take a low-paying part time gig for the twilight of my career.
 
Just accepted my dream job out west in my dream location.
MD only, great salary, super stable goup...
Russina Joo... look at Morristown and around the Chester area. There are a couple of hospitals there and the location is really nice.
 
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sevoflurane said:
Just accepted a my dream job out west in my dream locaiton.


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MD only, great salary, super stable goup, negotiated senior partnership/stockholder with full benefits from day one.

Russina Joo... look at Morristown and around the Chester area. There are a couple of hospitals there and the location is really nice.
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Great picture. Where's the cabin and boat dock?
Never thought about this but once you make partner in one group, is it common to pass over a partnership track if you change jobs? I'm sure it's situation dependent but just wondering how common it is.
 
Lurch said:
Great picture. Where's the cabin and boat dock?
Never thought about this but once you make partner in one group, is it common to pass over a partnership track if you change jobs? I'm sure it's situation dependent but just wondering how common it is.
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Never heard of that... but anything is possible.
 
Lurch said:
I thought you said you negotiated senior partnership from day 1 but maybe I'm misunderstanding.
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Sorry. I guess I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying that a partner in a group could hand over a partnership to an incoming member if he is to retire or move himself.

Experience, subspecialty certification, and anything else you bring to the group all counts when negotiating. A little bit of luck and good timing also helps.
 
Oklahoma. It is a nicer place to live than you think. Believe they are actively seeking CCM. Housing is about a 1/3 of the cost of the coasts. So a dollar goes further. You might even be able to get a stipend through your fellowship.
 
BobBarker said:
What are you doing your fellowship in? New fellowship trained faculty get over 300k with about 7 weeks off and very nice benefits at my program. Of course, it is much warmer, less crime, and some of the nicest, least litigious people in the country so you probably won't like it in comparison to NJ
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"Least litigious people in the country"? Thats a pretty strong statement. Is there data to back that up?
Also, NJ is a very safe state as far as crime goes. Sure, there are pockets of high crime areas, but isn't that true anywhere? According to FBI crime statistics there are 30 states more dangerous than NJ and 19 states less dangerous. Your state of OK is the 10th most dangerous, according to FBI crime statistics. http://lawstreetmedia.com/slideshow-americas-safest-dangerous-cities/new-jersey-2014/
For better or worse, NJ is one of the most economically segregated states in the country. As long as you stick to the nice suburbs and rural areas, there is no safer place in the country.
 
No data to support my claim but litigation is very, very rare. The anesthesia department has been sued one time in the last 10 years.

Hard for me to believe that NJ is safer than OK but I would imagine that OKC is a lot safer than Newark.
 
BobBarker said:
No data to support my claim but litigation is very, very rare. The anesthesia department has been sued one time in the last 10 years.

Hard for me to believe that NJ is safer than OK but I would imagine that OKC is a lot safer than Newark.
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Again, NJ is very economically segregated. High property taxes and certain zoning laws have contained the poor in very specific areas. So we have a few places famous for their crime, and the rest of the state is extremely safe, but the bad areas seem to create the illusion that the state has a lot of crime, when in reality we are one of the safer states to live. In my experience traveling around the country, other states seem to spread their crime around a lot more.
 
gasdoc1 said:
Again, NJ is very economically segregated. High property taxes and certain zoning laws have contained the poor in very specific areas. So we have a few places famous for their crime, and the rest of the state is extremely safe, but the bad areas seem to create the illusion that the state has a lot of crime, when in reality we are one of the safer states to live. In my experience traveling around the country, other states seem to spread their crime around a lot more.
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New Jersey has some real nice areas. When I lived there (Mendham), Whitney Houston lived around the corner. Really nice location. Lot's of woods, green space and a train ride to NYC.
 
sevoflurane said:
Sounds like you're heading that way too. Congrats. Always like these events in life. New chapter. 👍
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Congratulations. 🙂

As I recall your wife is also an anesthesiologist - was she able to step into the new group alongside you? Relocating dual professional couples isn't always easy ...

(No need to answer if it's too personal a question. Just idly curious.)
 
pgg said:
Congratulations. 🙂

As I recall your wife is also an anesthesiologist - was she able to step into the new group alongside you? Relocating dual professional couples isn't always easy ...

(No need to answer if it's too personal a question. Just idly curious.)
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You are correct pgg. It can be difficult. Fortunately for us, we had 2 great offers on the table (separate gigs). So she will again be a partner. :luck:

We feel super lucky and are really looking forward to the move in order to drop some serious permanent roots into the ground. Breaking up with our current hospital girlfriend wasn't easy either. Gonna leave a lot of great people behind.

But the show must go on... :artist:
 
sevoflurane said:
New Jersey has some real nice areas. When I lived there (Mendham), Whitney Houston lived around the corner. Really nice location. Lot's of woods, green space and a train ride to NYC.
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Crowded, Bad traffic, Expensive, medically over served, Lots of anesthesia training programs in NY and Philly keeping the job market below average in terms of security and salaries.

On the flip side, close to NY or Philly depending on where you live, lots of high income areas with great shopping and cultural opportunities, lots of good school systems, Parts of the Jersey shore are real nice. Access to Multiple big airports giving you lots of direct flights to almost anywhere.
 
dr doze said:
Crowded, Bad traffic, Expensive, medically over served, Lots of anesthesia training programs in NY and Philly keeping the job market below average in terms of security and salaries.

On the flip side, close to NY or Philly depending on where you live, lots of high income areas with great shopping and cultural opportunities, lots of good school systems, Parts of the Jersey shore are real nice. Access to Multiple big airports giving you lots of direct flights to almost anywhere.
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This, all day. I've enjoyed the conveniences of Philly for 15 years, but as I've gotten older, the inconveniences are starting to outweigh them. For some people, I can see how this wouldn't be the case - but I'd rather live somewhere cheaper that makes me happier and be able to visit for a long weekend here or there.
 
great thanks for all the replies sorry I haven't followed more closely I've been pretty busy in the unit. Yes NJ is for family reasons, and the state is pretty great, it offers a lot of options and everything is pretty close. I am in Michigan right now and it seems like to get anywhere you need to drive for at least 30min, not as many malls, not as many concerts. But yes NJ is crowded. If you're used to it it's not that bad, if you're not it's terrible. I haven't been in NYC in a while and when I was there last time it was too crowded for me. But there's no other city in the world like NYC. If you're not a city person then obviously you don't see the benefits of having a large city like that near by.

As for jobs I'm looking at both Michigan and NJ and will ultimately decide based on which ever job is better in terms of pay and time off. I'm doing a critical care fellowship right now but that doesn't mean that I have to practice critical care, I did it more for the fact that I wanted to be a better physician and wanted to do a fellowship. I appreciate people posting links to other hospitals and all your suggestions.

Thanks again.
 
You should also look at Westchester and Rockland counties in NY, Fairfield county in CT and Nassau and Suffolk on LI. You may be surprised at some of the groups (although they maybe few and far in between).

All of the aforementioned areas have commuter rail to the city along with the suburban feel. The PP groups, AMC and academics (NYMC recently booted NAPA out of westchester medical center) all have different models obviously, but some setups may surprise you. PM me if you have specific questions.
 
HumidifiedMoistureExchange said:
You should also look at Westchester and Rockland counties in NY, Fairfield county in CT and Nassau and Suffolk on LI. You may be surprised at some of the groups (although they maybe few and far in between).

All of the aforementioned areas have commuter rail to the city along with the suburban feel. The PP groups, AMC and academics (NYMC recently booted NAPA out of westchester medical center) all have different models obviously, but some setups may surprise you. PM me if you have specific questions.
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is booting NAPA out a good thing?
 
anbuitachi said:
is booting NAPA out a good thing?
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I think it is. If they hire their own anesthesiologists and let the MDs hire the CRNAs if needed and bill for their own cases, basically contract with some PP group. Sounds like that would be a win to me.
 
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anbuitachi said:
is booting NAPA out a good thing?
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Any time a hospital boots out an AMC it is a good thing. These AMCs are ruining anesthesia. They fix the salaries in an area and then steal all the profits from the docs. I would love to see this happen all over so we can go back to keeping the money we earn instead of giving it away to a bunch of people that are hundreds of miles away from us.
 
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