Jobs and Graduation... feeling dejected

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Sorry for being a bit negative here, but I need to vent, want any advice, and want to make any juniors and pre-pods aware.
I am having absolutely terrible luck finding a decent job. By decent I mean pays about $200K and allows for full scope. I'm just about done a PMSR/RRA-36 at a trauma center - I've done everything from hammertoes and wound care to TARS, trimalls, and calc fxs. I've worked with vascular, hand, plastics, trauma, etc. I've made friends in all these specialties, with PAs/NPs, RNs, etc. Everyone of those is/will make more $ than us. Like the travel RN making (I kid you not) $20K a month. Or the PA making $185K. Or my ortho buddy's coming out with $500-750K starting salaries. With retention, signing, and relocation bonuses.
95% of the jobs I've found over the last 14 months (yes I started looking last winter) have been $100-125K, no bonuses (heck, one place even wants me to cover my own malpractice and EPIC), and bunions and hammertoes 2 times a months.
I am feeling absolutely dejected. Like we're all being scammed. At this rate I can't afford to start a family or help my elderly parents. Nor will I being able to practice the skills I've brutalized myself over the past 3 years to acquire.
Just feeling very hopeless.
Thoughts? Comments?
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Not sure podiatry really makes sense anymore given the cost/length of our training and the job the market for PAs, CRNAs, NPs,, RNs and so many DO schools now for the near misses at MD schools.

The job market is horrible so you eventually make your own opportunity (solo office), work somewhere you can buy in or improve your CV so you can get a better or even great job. As bad as the job market is some people still shockingly get multiple great offers. Obviously they standout from the rest and interview well. Yes podiatry never works out for some, but you want to make sure that is not you.

You have good training so you are already ahead of many. Make sure you get a job where you can get your numbers for ABFAS RRA and you will be in the top 10 percent of applicants for the desirable jobs. 100 applicants (maybe 40 in bear country) and they interview 2-4 for the good hospital jobs. Their top choice may tentatively accept and ultimately turn them down, their second choice already accepted something else when they offer the job, and boom you their 3rd choice gets the job. Something will eventually hit at that point.

If you are geographically open you will probably get an above average associate job (not 200K) or you might even land a hospital job in bear country (base might be 200K).

It is not easy, but most like yourself with good training if you have a decent personality and are geographically open will eventually do well. It is hard not to have some envy how many job opportunities the in demand healthcare professions have. I was told by one of the big names now in ABFAS when he was a resident and I was a student…we all took a back door into medical school with podiatry, so this is what we get as far as all these difficulties we face.
 
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that's podiatry for you. the travel RN comment hurts the most because if you ever listen to them talk they complain about their 36 hour-3 day work weeks. then they're skydiving, on a beach or boat t he other 4 days. making more than us. it's really sad.
 
ToeFather said:
that's podiatry for you. the travel RN comment hurts the most because if you ever listen to them talk they complain about their 36 hour-3 day work weeks. then they're skydiving, on a beach or boat t he other 4 days. making more than us. it's really sad.
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Its awesome money for RN degree. Dont get me wrong. Its better than a lot of DPM grads get.

I had a side gig that was 1099 for awhile there.

1099 work doesnt cover and healthcare, retirement/401k, PTO, etc.

There are usually no benefits to this type of work which costs a lot.

You have to set aside money with each check to pay taxes every 3 months. That was true at least where I worked for 1099 they didnt auto-deduct taxes. Maybe it was just my situation. I dunno but I didnt like cutting a large check 4 times a year. I also didnt like having to remember to do this 4x a year.
 
Yes, that’s all correct.
 
Are you just sitting around waiting for MSG, ortho and hospital gigs just to pop up online? What you need to do is cold call or email every MSG, ortho, or hospital in the area you want to live (especially little more rural locales) and see if they would be interested in having you. I recommend getting ABPM to get board-certified... you could concomitantly do ABFAS qualified as well.

EDIT: Always avoid pod groups. Im sure youve learned that the hard way.

Maybe look into VA. Great $$$, lifestyle and bennies.
 
DYK343 said:
Its awesome money for RN degree. Dont get me wrong. Its better than a lot of DPM grads get.

I had a side gig that was 1099 for awhile there.

1099 work doesnt cover and healthcare, retirement/401k, PTO, etc.

There are usually no benefits to this type of work which costs a lot.

You have to set aside money with each check to pay taxes every 3 months. That was true at least where I worked for 1099 they didnt auto-deduct taxes. Maybe it was just my situation. I dunno but I didnt like cutting a large check 4 times a year. I also didnt like having to remember to do this 4x a year.
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You have a point, but podiatry associate jobs are not exactly known for their Cadillac benefits and generous PTO. That is why these associate podiatry jobs with light benefits are really like being paid about 30 percent less compared to the majority of organizational jobs RNs and PAs can get.

The market is strong enough for RNs it those travel jobs become less lucrative or they get tired of them they can still most often get a well paid job with great benefits and maybe even a pension. An RN can easily make 70K make in a LCOL area with great benefits which is more like 100K for a typical podiatry associate job. If they don't like their job, they can find another one tomorrow across the street.
 
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You have a point, but podiatry associate jobs are not exactly known for their Cadillac benefits and generous PTO. That is why these associate podiatry jobs with light benefits are really like being paid about 30 percent less compared to the majority of organizational jobs RNs and PAs can get.

The market is strong enough for RNs it those travel jobs become less lucrative or they get tired of them they can still most often get a well paid job with great benefits and maybe even a pension. An RN can easily make 70K make in a LCOL area with great benefits which is more like 100K for a typical podiatry associate job. If they don't like their job, they can find another one tomorrow across the street once they put in their time for their signing bonus.
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most importantly which RN's do you know with 300k student loan debt and a 11 year time commitment? podiatry blows. people need to just flat out say it on here sometimes.

travel x-ray techs make more than most podiatry associates.
 
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NepsPod21 said:
Sorry for being a bit negative here, but I need to vent, want any advice, and want to make any juniors and pre-pods aware.
I am having absolutely terrible luck finding a decent job. By decent I mean pays about $200K and allows for full scope. I'm just about done a PMSR/RRA-36 at a trauma center - I've done everything from hammertoes and wound care to TARS, trimalls, and calc fxs. I've worked with vascular, hand, plastics, trauma, etc. I've made friends in all these specialties, with PAs/NPs, RNs, etc. Everyone of those is/will make more $ than us. Like the travel RN making (I kid you not) $20K a month. Or the PA making $185K. Or my ortho buddy's coming out with $500-750K starting salaries. With retention, signing, and relocation bonuses.
95% of the jobs I've found over the last 14 months (yes I started looking last winter) have been $100-125K, no bonuses (heck, one place even wants me to cover my own malpractice and EPIC), and bunions and hammertoes 2 times a months.
I am feeling absolutely dejected. Like we're all being scammed. At this rate I can't afford to start a family or help my elderly parents. Nor will I being able to practice the skills I've brutalized myself over the past 3 years to acquire.
Just feeling very hopeless.
Thoughts? Comments?
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Thoughts:

This is podiatry. And this is a warning to new applicants - go ahead and apply. This is what awaits you.

That being said - this isn’t only happening to us. Scroll through some EM forums, they are super saturated, family medicine docs hating life due to corporate medicine etc.

Speaking from a broader perspective, a few specialities are immune. Critical care, NPs, PAs, RN - but reflect why that is? This is capitalism towards its late stage. Things that once were super specialized have opened up to the masses. NPs doing solo family med on their own. NPs running Botox clinics. All this hollering about lawsuits and NPs not being qualified is bogus , hasn’t stopped a thing. They are cheaper than MDs and willing to make slightly less to get a piece of the pie. But where does the money that didn’t go to the MD/DO/DPM go, if the NP is making less? Google healthcare insurance companies CEOs “salaries” plus bonuses. HCA’s Samuel Hazen made an astounding 20 million dollars for the 2021 year. Think about that.

It’s the same reason fellowships are in vogue - there are no good ways to separate DPMs from one another. Fellowships serve that purpose. You spent another whole year bent over with your pants down, you deserve a little more respect, money, prestige for your troubles so you can be separated from the pack.

I’ll add NPs and PAs can do what we do, with the exception of surgery. Compete compete compete. Extract labor at what the market is willing to pay (less than what you should be paid as a physician because your work isn’t that hard to do ) and pump those dollars uphill to corporations - be them hospitals or insurance CEOs and shareholders.

It’s not only podiatrists that is happening too, but we are the definitely the most financially impacted on a professional level. MDs/DOs still have reasonable options to pay back their loans. PAs/NPs have zero to worry about.

Do your research and be willing to be flexible with respect to where you practice. And be honest when students come calling wanting to shadow you; unless you plan on hiring them. In that case - sell them on this great career. They will help you retire early.
 
ToeFather said:
most importantly which RN's do you know with 300k student loan debt and a 11 year time commitment? podiatry blows. people need to just flat out say it on here sometimes.
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They can also (unless an associate RN) advance their career. They can travel or easily work more than 40 hours locally if they need/want more money. If they want they can easily work a remote computer paperwork job, a job with good hours, or less than 40 hours (might lose benefits) if they have young children. Such a flexible and in demand profession.
 
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malleolusman said:
That being said - this isn’t only happening to us. Scroll through some EM forums, they are super saturated, family medicine docs hating life due to corporate medicine etc.
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Maybe super saturated compared to their insanely good job market from 10-15 years ago. Make no mistake here, their job market is still damn good. Maybe they don’t have multiple offers in the top cities around the nation, but they have DOZENS of jobs available to them in slightly less desirable areas, boohoo. Not comparable to our turd of a profession in the slightest.
 
The other main thing to consider is that an MD/DO can retool themselves after training due to unlimited scope. I know many dissatisfied ER/FM docs that went to work in pain management, vein clinics, rapid care non-surgical ortho, and even go into nonclinical fields.

Once you a pod, you always a pod.
 
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The other main thing to consider is that an MD/DO can retool themselves after training due to unlimited scope. I know many dissatisfied ER/FM docs that went to work in pain management, vein clinics, rapid care non-surgical ortho, and even go into nonclinical fields.

Once you a pod, you always a pod.
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Yup they grind it when young and make 20 percent above market rate. When they get burned out they try to find a niche where they can do about the same with less stress and BS or they take an academic or other job with less stress for maybe 20 percent below market rate.
 
The unfortunate answer for all this is you are going to take a terrible paying job that hopefully generates surgical caseload and you are going to continue applying to hospital/ortho/MSG jobs while its ongoing. Escaping to an organization is your only hope. You will probably not do TAR in the future. At some point you may be financially comfortable but you should never forget the lies you were told by the people at the top.

You are squarely stuck in the podiatry trap. Huge debt. Can't make money to break free. Desperately trying to get cases.

Welcome to the forum. If you want to make a difference - share your personal experience. Talk about what you went through. Talk about your job applications and experiences. There's some missing nuance and substance that at times I wish more people had, but nothing speaks to people like telling your story. We should be generating a fraction of the DPMs we currently are a year.

People used to say 1:30,000 was a good ratio for a pod. That's garbage. My ratio is better than that and I still suffered to get going. I wanted to make a practice like that of my residency. I still haven't.
 
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The unfortunate answer for all this is you are going to take a terrible paying job that hopefully generates surgical caseload and you are going to continue applying to hospital/ortho/MSG jobs while its ongoing. Escaping to an organization is your only hope. You will probably not do TAR in the future. At some point you may be financially comfortable but you should never forget the lies you were told by the people at the top.

You are squarely stuck in the podiatry trap. Huge debt. Can't make money to break free. Desperately trying to get cases.

Welcome to the forum. If you want to make a difference - share your personal experience. Talk about what you went through. Talk about your job applications and experiences. There's some missing nuance and substance that at times I wish more people had, but nothing speaks to people like telling your story. We should be generating a fraction of the DPMs we currently are a year.

People used to say 1:30,000 was a good ratio for a pod. That's garbage. My ratio is better than that and I still suffered to get going. I wanted to make a practice like that of my residency. I still haven't.
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Is 1:30,000 even possible?
 
NepsPod21 said:
Sorry for being a bit negative here, but I need to vent, want any advice, and want to make any juniors and pre-pods aware.
I am having absolutely terrible luck finding a decent job. By decent I mean pays about $200K and allows for full scope. I'm just about done a PMSR/RRA-36 at a trauma center - I've done everything from hammertoes and wound care to TARS, trimalls, and calc fxs. I've worked with vascular, hand, plastics, trauma, etc. I've made friends in all these specialties, with PAs/NPs, RNs, etc. Everyone of those is/will make more $ than us. Like the travel RN making (I kid you not) $20K a month. Or the PA making $185K. Or my ortho buddy's coming out with $500-750K starting salaries. With retention, signing, and relocation bonuses.
95% of the jobs I've found over the last 14 months (yes I started looking last winter) have been $100-125K, no bonuses (heck, one place even wants me to cover my own malpractice and EPIC), and bunions and hammertoes 2 times a months.
I am feeling absolutely dejected. Like we're all being scammed. At this rate I can't afford to start a family or help my elderly parents. Nor will I being able to practice the skills I've brutalized myself over the past 3 years to acquire.
Just feeling very hopeless.
Thoughts? Comments?
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Yeah Tbh what kills me is those sleepless nights because of call for three years or staying up late losing my youth studying for exams to only come out with more debt, more stress, less money/equity than my friends who just did something with their bachelors degree. I'm coming out making 100-125k when a lot of them are in that ball park without the extra schooling/training and already bought homes etc. Don't forget the vacations they've taken which I won't be able too.
 
The job market being less than awesome is very well-known in podiatry. Sorry you're experiencing it firsthand now. Everyone thinks they'll be different, but the saturation is real.
The lack of many MDs and hospitals to distinguish an ABFAS qual/cert DPM who can do triples and pilons well versus a DPM who only does C&C and basic forefoot stuff is quite real. The high saturation in any area when compared to any MD specialist or generalist is very real (although nowhere near chiro or pharma... so "it could always be worse").

...so, those are the problems. Those are the reasons new schools and seats without enough good residencies for the existing grads are inane. However, the solutions are basically these (depending on how far along in training one is):

In pod school:
-get the best residency training you can, have the most skills, be flexible on location if need be
-it helps to do a residency with a good name and/or good connections... but some newer ones have good training too
-fellowship is financially sketchy and almost 100% worthless unless you missed training/connections in residency... you'll still face the same job market in the end (and it will be very hard to get a good name/training fellowship if you didn't have a name/training residency already)

In residency graduation and job search:
-pass all of the appropriate boards, keep all avenues open
-be FLEXIBLE on location (especially early in your career!)
-as mentioned, CREATE jobs... call hospitals for the physician recruiter in HR, call offices for the office manager, use connections, etc
-tap your network... most jobs - esp PP - are never advertised or only within a finite network. A lot of hospital jobs listed are already decided.
-do NOT get attached to finding the perfect first job... for most, it'll always be a learning exp but statistically, the first gig won't last very long
-get accustomed to being fairly frugal and investing some (Roth at minimum)... don't start living "doctor lifestyle," or you can expect major turbulence. Hint = a financially competent partner will make things much smoother. You don't have to partner with someone with a trust fund or an ortho or ophtho job, but if you partner with someone who works $20/hr jobs or who wants to only live in a certain city and you expect big lifestyle and/or to be solo breadwinner as a DPM, that can really crash and burn. Realistic expectations are the foundation in life. If you and your partner want to go the SAH route, it's not impossible, but you reeeally have to plan it well on a typical DPM income + debt load. and they'll have to understand they need to be seriously flexible on location. "Help my elderly parents"? It should be the other way around; they've had many boom economies and maybe even pension in their career while you've had multiple market crashes and bigtime inflation of tuition and everything else also. It's your $, though. 🙂

During and after training:
-passing ABFAS qual and eventually cert will open many doors... whether we like it or not, it's an easy screening tool for many jobs that get far more apps than they can possibly filter otherwise. It basically just shows them you did a half-decent residency and that you do those cases fairly well.
-stay light on your feet... buying a house, going into big debt, attaching to an area can end badly when employed (or even when owner). Not only can you lose that job, but you aren't able to easily pivot or relocate to a better situation/job/opportunity which may come available to you. Avoid financial ties and most other anchors early on... easier said than done, but nonetheless 100% advisable.
-realize the best job for doc A is not same for doc B... hospital job vs owner/solo vs PP/MSG/ortho associate vs govt job can all fit best for various DPMs and personalities... one's trash is another's treasure. I don't think nursing home is best for anyone with 3yr residency, but I'm sure it is for someone.
-consider it all as a learning experience... investing and saving % and being fairly frugal is how you will create wealth at any income level, but any job is just how you continue to learn. Jobs come and go; their quality ebbs and flows. Admins and economies and competition, etc are subject to winds of change.
-get a high quality CFP (hourly), read investing books and educate yourself, find a good CPA, make a plan. It could just be indexing, could be more elaborate... need to make a plan and stick to it with regular contributions, high savings % rate. That is how you retire or how you weather the tough times in terms of career or overall economy... and how you maintain wealth in retirement also.
-be easy to work with and a good communicator (I probably pick up more new pt refers by being likable in doc lounge/meetings and by my patients telling friends than by passing out glossy before/afters of perfect Lapidus or ankle ORIF)
-find mentors, all throughout your career... really helps to stay engaged, positive... even people you envy have characteristics that got them to where they are, so learn from them also. Happiness is an inside job. 👍

GL
 
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ConsciousCalc said:
Are you restricted to a location/region?
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If I stay with my current partner, yes. Think expensive coastal area. If I don’t… then anywhere on the planet is fine by me. And I’ve found stuff in remote locations that fit the bill occasionally, but none have panned out
 
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icebreaker32 said:
Not sure podiatry really makes sense anymore given the cost/length of our training and the job the market for PAs, CRNAs, NPs,, RNs and so many DO schools now for the near misses at MD schools.

The job market is horrible so you eventually make your own opportunity (solo office), work somewhere you can buy in or improve your CV so you can get a better or even great job. As bad as the job market is some people still shockingly get multiple great offers. Obviously they standout from the rest and interview well. Yes podiatry never works out for some, but you want to make sure that is not you.

You have good training so you are already ahead of many. Make sure you get a job where you can get your numbers for ABFAS RRA and you will be in the top 10 percent of applicants for the desirable jobs. 100 applicants (maybe 40 in bear country) and they interview 2-4 for the good hospital jobs. Their top choice may tentatively accept and ultimately turn them down, their second choice already accepted something else when they offer the job, and boom you their 3rd choice gets the job. Something will eventually hit at that point.

If you are geographically open you will probably get an above average associate job (not 200K) or you might even land a hospital job in bear country (base might be 200K).

It is not easy, but most like yourself with good training if you have a decent personality and are geographically open will eventually do well. It is hard not to have some envy how many job opportunities the in demand healthcare professions have. I was told by one of the big names now in ABFAS when he was a resident and I was a student…we all took a back door into medical school with podiatry, so this is what we get as far as all these difficulties we face.
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The goal really is find a rra job. And totally agree with the last statement. Still stinks. shrug
 
ToeFather said:
that's podiatry for you. the travel RN comment hurts the most because if you ever listen to them talk they complain about their 36 hour-3 day work weeks. then they're skydiving, on a beach or boat t he other 4 days. making more than us. it's really sad.
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I’ve honestly considered doing some online bs excellerated rn and switch to travel nursing
 
DYK343 said:
Its awesome money for RN degree. Dont get me wrong. Its better than a lot of DPM grads get.

I had a side gig that was 1099 for awhile there.

1099 work doesnt cover and healthcare, retirement/401k, PTO, etc.

There are usually no benefits to this type of work which costs a lot.

You have to set aside money with each check to pay taxes every 3 months. That was true at least where I worked for 1099 they didnt auto-deduct taxes. Maybe it was just my situation. I dunno but I didnt like cutting a large check 4 times a year. I also didnt like having to remember to do this 4x a year.
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Been trying to form an llc the past few weeks exactly for that reason
 
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The goal really is find a rra job. And totally agree with the last statement. Still stinks. shrug
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The goal for most newer grads is to desperately try to find a non garbage job (by avoiding private practice) which means working for a hospital where they could not care less that you do “rra”, they want you to take care of the stuff that the other specialties don’t want to touch, namely diabetic limb salvage, and they’ll pay you fairly for this. Good luck getting a job like this with 100+ applicants every time a job ad goes live.
 
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The goal really is find a rra job. And totally agree with the last statement. Still stinks. shrug
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Not a goal for everyone.....but it still helps separate your CV from the stack even it is just a pus and/or forefoot job at a hospital. If geographically open enough you can talk up your training and logs etc without RRA.
 
I can relate to your experience OP, sorry to hear that you also had to find out the hard way when it should not have to be this way.

One of the job offers I had back in 2020 was for $85k in a very busy PP, as in they were routinely 3-4 weeks booked out. Go figure their true intentions. I, we, us, on SDN can’t make this stuff up.

I can tell you right I personally only know of 2 hospital jobs currently hiring that are paying over $300k base salary and will be getting 200+ applications. This is 2 well paying jobs in the entire country that I’m aware of and this is April, 2-3 months BEFORE the end of residency.

Being board certified and having real work experience (not fellowship) has been a huge help in securing a better job. And networking.
 
I contacted a large semi-rural hospital group. Already have two surgical Podiatrists and 2 APRNs. They were about to open a third DPM job for another locale (new small hospital) when I contacted, so they will be reviewing my CV and, Lord willing, potentially moving forward with me.

Imagine, if I waited until it was post online I’d be fighting against over 100 other applicants. Because I contacted them beforehand, not even knowing they’re about to post the opening, I saved myself the hassle and may have secured the gig. Never hurts to reach out.

Many of their other MD/DO postings states MGMA salaries, 6+ weeks PTO, etc.
 
For any pre-pods or current 1-2 yr students this is unfortunately the very harsh truth when job hunting in podiatry. Some of the offers I received when graduating residency were disgusting. One of the big issues is that there are plenty of new grads that just happily take these jobs. If a PP posts an offer for 100-120k and gets 50 applications they are fairly confident someone will bite so there is no incentive to increase the pay. This will not stop until there are less grads or these new grads stop entertaining these offers.

I know from personal experience that a well run practice that has the volume to hire a new pod does have the means to pay a fair salary. "Fair" is different for every individual but under no circumstance should someone that calls themselves a surgeon or physician with the amount of time and effort put into graduating school and finishing residency be entertaining anything as atrocious as pods get. Especially with the amount of debt that comes with this field.
 
Boba Foot said:
The RN field will get saturated as well. Any time the cat gets out of the bag and people realize a profession is good money for the work, it's only a matter of time.
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Doubt it. They’re spoiled. They all claim they’re overworked and then quit after 5 years after only working 3 days a week
 
Boba Foot said:
The RN field will get saturated as well. Any time the cat gets out of the bag and people realize a profession is good money for the work, it's only a matter of time.
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They have done a much better job of creating necessity for themselves. RNs becoming outpatient and hospital administration was maybe never a purposeful master plan, but it was brilliant nonetheless.

Want some local out of a fancy hospital vending machine? Oh a nurse has to do that. Want to draw up medication in your office? Yeah, probably should require an RN do that. Want to staff an inpatient floor? Well the recommended RN to patient ratio has decreased again so either hire more RNs or shut down some rooms. You definitely need some “quality control” folks for your MSG or hospital…well would you look at that, here’s an army of them and they all happen to be RNs!

RNs will never be oversaturated because RN unions and former RNs turned administrators will always find situations where more RNs are needed for the practice, clinic, group, hospital, etc. to function.
 
Boba Foot said:
The RN field will get saturated as well. Any time the cat gets out of the bag and people realize a profession is good money for the work, it's only a matter of time.
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There is a shortage of RNs. Plus a lot of RNs move out of clinical work and become admins or take jobs where they can work from home for insurance companies. Some even become legal consultants reading doctors notes for lawyers.
 
newfeet said:
There is a shortage of RNs. Plus a lot of RNs move out of clinical work and become admins or take jobs where they can work from home for insurance companies. Some even become legal consultants reading doctors notes for lawyers.
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All well paying jobs end up getting nerfed via saturation in the long run. Pharm, law, etc. etc. Unless you have a gatekeeper keeping your numbers low the field will get saturated eventually. Travel nurses got paid well because of covid but once there is no longer a shortage, it will cease to be as lucrative.

At least they don't have $350k in loans to be a doctor of pretend medicine though.
 
Travel nurse pay won’t last forever, but don’t kid yourself there will be an RN shortage for decades.

For podiatry there will be continued over saturation for decades. If enrollment stays low for a very long time combined with the continued snails pace increase in demand for podiatry It could eventually be a much smaller over saturation. If midlevels continue to fill some of our potential jobs and we ever give up chiropody, there will be more than a mild over saturation, even with continued decreased enrollments.
 
Here is a fun one. For all you hospital/MSG/Ortho employed pods making 250-300k plus...if you lose your job tomorrow.....in the next hell let's make it 9 months can you find a job that pays let's say 75 percent of your current income and allows you live in your same home?

@dtrack22 @CutsWithFury jk @Pronation @DYK343 @wakaflocka88 and many others on here.


Now this is not unique to podiatry and a huge reason to own your own practice - nobody can fire you.
 
air bud said:
Here is a fun one. For all you hospital/MSG/Ortho employed pods making 250-300k plus...if you lose your job tomorrow.....in the next hell let's make it 9 months can you find a job that pays let's say 75 percent of your current income and allows you live in your same home?

@dtrack22 @CutsWithFury jk @Pronation @DYK343 @wakaflocka88 and many others on here.


Now this is not unique to podiatry and a huge reason to own your own practice - nobody can fire you.
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Nope. There is zero chance that I would be able to stay in the same locale. I would be so unbelievably screwed. Hell, I would be lucky to find another similar gig anywhere in the damn country in the next 9 months…
 
air bud said:
Here is a fun one. For all you hospital/MSG/Ortho employed pods making 250-300k plus...if you lose your job tomorrow.....in the next hell let's make it 9 months can you find a job that pays let's say 75 percent of your current income and allows you live in your same home?

@dtrack22 @CutsWithFury jk @Pronation @DYK343 @wakaflocka88 and many others on here.


Now this is not unique to podiatry and a huge reason to own your own practice - nobody can fire you.
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The key is to operate on trainwrecks. No one will want your fibromyalgia post op inheritance after being fired. So they have to keep you.

But I would open private practice. I dont want to move again. I like where im at and im going to stay here for the forseable future. Luckily where I live is just outside my non compete at work by about 3-5 miles. Set up shop right on the border.

I also keep about 12 months living expenses in my bank account. Ally has a great interest rate for a savings account.
 
DYK343 said:
The key is to operate on trainwrecks. No one will want your fibromyalgia post op inheritance after being fired. So they have to keep you.

But I would open private practice. I dont want to move again. I like where im at and im going to stay here for the forseable future. Luckily where I live is just outside my non compete at work by about 3-5 miles. Set up shop right on the border.

I also keep about 12 months living expenses in my bank account. Ally has a great interest rate for a savings account.
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Yes. The above scenario happened to me. I didnt have 12 months savings. I had to move 1500 miles or so away. Multiple factors at play, but staying in my home (and sub 3 mortgage) was not an option. So now I am 7 percent and took a good enough paying hospital job that I otherwise would have not taken because a podiatrist can't be a chooser and needs to take any hospital job offered to them.
 
When ya'll start your private practice and find out a federal BCBS 99213 is worth $76 (uh huh) but you were previously getting 1.3 wRVU and $50 an RVU - know that I'm here for you to talk to about the positive impact of routine foot care on your practice hahahahahahahaha. 😉
 
air bud said:
Yes. The above scenario happened to me. I didnt have 12 months savings. I had to move 1500 miles or so away. Multiple factors at play, but staying in my home (and sub 3 mortgage) was not an option. So now I am 7 percent and took a good enough paying hospital job that I otherwise would have not taken because a podiatrist can't be a chooser and needs to take any hospital job offered to them.
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Except I offered you a hospital job and you refused it lol
 
DYK343 said:
Except I offered you a hospital job and you refused it lol
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I'm not sure right now which one of us is in a better situation, your current day to day life is not exactly cupcakes and candy canes.
 
air bud said:
Now this is not unique to podiatry and a huge reason to own your own practice - nobody can fire you
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100% agree but then I am biased. The hospital employed folks despise solo PP owners however owners will never want to work for anyone (even for a hospital) once you get a true taste of freedom and keeping 100% of your earnings after expenses.
 
air bud said:
Here is a fun one. For all you hospital/MSG/Ortho employed pods making 250-300k plus...if you lose your job tomorrow.....in the next hell let's make it 9 months can you find a job that pays let's say 75 percent of your current income and allows you live in your same home?

@dtrack22 @CutsWithFury jk @Pronation @DYK343 @wakaflocka88 and many others on here.


Now this is not unique to podiatry and a huge reason to own your own practice - nobody can fire you.
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I would take one of those nursing home jobs in the area. If I owned a practice I would fire me. I watched my dad trying to do a small business I have no desire to have one. I would only start one if I had no other choice because I needed to stay in the area.
 
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