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“A prominent cancer-detecting doctor at Johns Hopkins Hospital is on administrative leave after a misdiagnosis led to a patient’s bladder removal, and as allegations have surfaced that he bullied or intimidated others in his department, according to interviews and an accreditation report obtained by The Washington Post.

The internationally regarded pathologist Jonathan I. Epstein has been accused by other doctors of pressuring them to give second opinions that agree with diagnoses made by his wife, who also is a pathologist, said four people who have knowledge of the situation and spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing probe.”

In some instances, those people said, Epstein himself gave second opinions that agreed with diagnoses made by his wife. And in one such case, a man underwent a radical procedure to remove his bladder, only to have a post-surgery analysis indicate a different diagnosis, according to the interviews and a report by the Joint Commission, a private, nonprofit organization that accredits hospitals. The report directed the Baltimore hospital to address long-standing concerns among physicians and others “regarding a culture of bullying and intimidation in the surgical pathology department,” which it said had left patients vulnerable to improper care.

The hospital put Epstein on leave in May. The Joint Commission’s report, issued in August, did not address his involvement in second opinions on his wife’s work, but those who spoke with The Post said that aspect of the situation played a role in the concerns raised in the report about “intimidation” or “bullying.”

Epstein, the hospital’s director of surgical pathology, said in written comments to The Post that he was “profoundly distressed” by the allegations in the report, “as they are the antithesis of everything I stand for and have tried to exhibit in my professional life over these 35 years at Johns Hopkins.” He said that patient privacy considerations prevent him from discussing the bladder removal case but that, in general, medical cases “have many complicating factors.”

The findings of the confidential report demonstrate how even an institution renowned as a leader in patient safety is not immune to critical missteps in care that have increased nationally and more than tripled among Maryland hospitals in recent years. Holding hospitals accountable for patient safety has long been a complicated task in an industry that relies on self-reporting, with scrutiny often conducted by private accreditation bodies that make few, if any, of their findings public.

Experts say that a rigorous and proactive internal safety culture in which hospital staffers do not fear retaliation for speaking up is essential to ensuring good outcomes. Hopkins doctors and researchers have long pushed for safer medical institutions. A Hopkins-led checklist reduced deaths by 10 percent and virtually eliminated bloodstream infections in Michigan hospitals in the early 2010s. Hopkins also founded in 2017 a Center for Diagnostic Excellence, which aims to eradicate misdiagnoses and the medical harm they cause.

The Joint Commission report, which does not name Epstein, refers to him when it points to “a department leader” as the subject of the complaints, according to the people familiar with the situation. The report says reviewers received “multiple comments by pathology physicians and residents stating they did not feel comfortable speaking up regarding ‘intimidation’ or ‘bullying’ behavior by a department leader, indicating that they were forced to change diagnoses, issue addendums and defer to the leader’s wishes over several years, thereby potentially leading to harm to patients.”

Physicians said “they feared retaliation or career repercussions if they spoke up,” according to the report, which was based on interviews with physicians, residents, hospital leaders, chief medical officers and others. The report did not provide specific details about the behavior characterized as bullying.

A spokeswoman for the Joint Commission did not respond to repeated requests for comment.
Hopkins leaders defended the institution’s pathology department in response to questions. “Johns Hopkins’ Pathology Department is nationally renowned, and we remain confident in the best-in-class services they provide,” spokeswoman Liz Vandendriessche said in an email. She said the hospital is working closely with the Joint Commission to address the issues raised in the report. “In fact, several of their citations have already been removed as a result of information we’ve provided,” she said.
The hospital declined to provide its own findings in a root-cause analysis of the incorrect diagnosis noted in the Joint Commission’s report, citing confidentiality laws.

Epstein, 66, who confirmed that he has been on paid administrative leave since late May “pending evaluation of my responses to allegations,” said he was not interviewed by Joint Commission surveyors or given an opportunity to provide his viewpoint for the report.

“I have always complied with professional responsibilities, and treated all staff, students, trainees, patients, faculty and health care professionals with respect, civility, and fairness,” Epstein said in written comments. “When in a supervisory role, I have tried to resolve differences and counsel colleagues and subordinates in a constructive and private manner.”

Recognized by urinary pathologists as among the best in the world, Epstein has written numerous papers on the detection of cancer and other diseases from biopsies and other specimens. In 2003, it was Epstein who released a pathology report as then-Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) vied for the Democratic presidential nomination, saying a microscopic examination of tissues near the candidate’s prostate showed that a cancer there had not spread.

Epstein joined Hopkins’s faculty in 1985 and has developed a bustling consultation practice providing second opinions on pathology reports at the request of patients and other doctors.
Epstein told The Post in an email: “Of the 12,000 cases sent to me for my opinion each year from patients, urologists, and pathologists in the United States and overseas, my one goal has been to give patients the most accurate diagnosis possible.”

People with knowledge of the allegations against Epstein said some of the diagnoses others around him felt pressured to affirm werepathology reports produced by Hillary Epstein, 44, who, according to licensing records, practices at Chesapeake Urology Associates in Beltsville, Md.


She received her medical license in 2013 after completing a genitourinary pathology fellowship at Hopkins the previous year, according to her résumé. Jonathan Epstein trains these fellows each year, according to his biography on Hopkins’s website. A social media post in 2014 shows the couple being married in the mountains of Big Sur, Calif. Another post about the wedding, by a fellow doctor, included what looks like a microscope slide with prostate tissue in the shape of a heart, along with the tags #pathology and #love.

In response to the allegations that he pressured other pathologists to change reports, Epstein said that pathologists who had expertise in other fields, such as breast pathology, would sometimes show him difficult prostate or bladder cases.

“It has always been my impression that this discussion was collegial, professional, and undertaken in the interest of patient care,” Epstein wrote. “I have only requested cases to be amended when they were specifically sent to me for my opinion by patients, clinicians, and pathologists, and initially diagnosed by someone else in my absence. Upon my review, in a minority of cases I amended them so that patients would, based on my expertise, have the most accurate diagnosis leading to optimal therapy.”

Two of the people familiar with the probe said that after someone internally raised concerns in March, Hopkins ordered Jonathan Epstein to stop reviewing pathology slides from Chesapeake Urology.

All of the people with knowledge of the situation said the bladder removal under scrutiny involved a diagnosis by Hillary Epstein that her husband agreed with in a second opinion.

The patient’s bladder was removed on April 28, the Joint Commission report said. But an analysis of a specimen taken during the procedure indicated a different diagnosis the next month, according to the report.

Asked whether giving second opinions on his wife’s reports was a conflict of interest, Epstein responded that he weighed in on such cases “based solely on my objective evaluation of the case.” He said such cases came to him at the request of Hopkins physicians, because patients had come to Hopkins for care.

“As the expert in prostate and bladder pathology, I reviewed cases where there were disagreements between the [Hopkins] pathologists who did not have specialty training in prostate and bladder pathology and the [Chesapeake] pathologists (who were specialists in these fields),” Epstein wrote to The Post.

Hillary Epstein did not respond to phone calls or a written request for comment that a reporter handed to her husband. A spokeswoman for Chesapeake Urology, Severa Lynch, declined to comment on the case involving the bladder removal, citing patient privacy, but said Chesapeake is committed to the highest standards of medical care. She said Chesapeake has never exerted any influence over reviews of its pathology reports by Hopkins.

“These cases are forwarded for the sole purpose of obtaining an independent review,” Lynch said in an email. “This practice has been integral to our mission of delivering the utmost quality of care to our patients, as it ensures an impartial interpretation of diagnostic slides.”

Whether a doctor should give a second opinion on a spouse’s work is a gray area, said Arthur Caplan, a professor of bioethics at New York University’s Grossman School of Medicine.
The medical profession has long accepted that it is inappropriate for doctors to treat their own family members, he said, but there are few guidelines on working with a spouse who also is a doctor. The American College of Physicians Ethics Manual does not explicitly discuss whether spouses should review each other’s work.
In some cases where one spouse may have a very niche specialty, having a spouse weigh in on a diagnosis or treatment may be the best option for a patient, Caplan said. But the physicians’ relationship should be disclosed to the patient, he added.

Hopkins spokeswoman Vandendriessche would not say whether Epstein’s actions violated the conflict of interest policy for Johns Hopkins University employees, which is posted online. The policy, which focuses on financial conflicts, does not explicitly address spouses giving second opinions on each other’s work. At least one other major hospital system, the Cleveland Clinic, told The Post that it did not have a policy specifically addressing whether spouses should consult on each other’s medical cases. Five other major hospitals did not respond to inquiries about their conflict-of-interest policies.

Epstein has been at the center of controversy before. In 2016, a governing council of the International Society of Urological Pathology censured him over conduct it considered unacceptable after acrimony that followed a dispute over what to name a prostate cancer grading system on which Epstein had done significant research. The society had rejected a proposal to name the system after Epstein, according to several people familiar with the episode who spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid getting drawn into recent allegations of which they had no knowledge. They said the censured behavior included personal attacks on the society’s officers.

Epstein told The Post that he was censured for being critical of society officers who he and others felt ran its elections undemocratically. He left the society and in 2018 co-founded a competing organization called the Genitourinary Pathology Society.

Last week marked a deadline set in the Joint Commission report for Hopkins to submit evidence of compliance with commission standards, including a requirement that hospital leaders “create and implement a process for managing behaviors that undermine a culture of safety.”

That evidence, like the report itself, is not subject to public disclosure.

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He interviewed me for residency in 93. He seemed like a super good guy.
 
lol this guy is 66, and his wife is 44 and also GU pathologist. Did he marry his favorite resident or something?
 
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Hillary Epstein. I think I would change my name.

The age difference is pretty gross. I will never understand what someone at that age sees in someone medicare age.
 
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Hillary Epstein. I think I would change my name.

The age difference is pretty gross. I will never understand what someone at that age sees in someone medicare age.

Daddy issues? Money? Possibly stability?
I don’t care how nice you are. Plenty of chairs out there that are complete pigs especially those nearing retirement age.
 
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I have almost no idea what happened nor I ever met Epstein, but the article reads like crap. Looks like all these cancelling stories on soc media. His relationship with his wife is his private business. Reviewing her cases is really dumb of course, and it shouldn’t have happened. I wish we knew more details about the case(s). I doubt it was intentional misinterpretation.
 
Without details the whole story sounds like nothing. The lost bladder used to make it more unseemly.
 
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The take home message I get from this is: no matter how much of a reputation one has built, in today's day & age, even the mighty can fall...

Epstein, 66, who confirmed that he has been on paid administrative leave since late May
Epstein joined Hopkins’s faculty in 1985
I suspect he's slightly older than 66 y.o. My former program director trained with him at Hopkins and was a year or two behind him...and my former program director retired about 5 years ago. Do the math: If Epstein is 66 y.o. as this article states, that means in 1985, when he joined faculty, would have been 28 or 29 at most. Even if one goes straight to becoming a practicing physician after high school at 18 y.o. with no gaps, that's still 4 yrs of undergrad + 4 yrs of med school + 4 yrs of residency before they could start working as an attending =12 yrs total. That puts them at least at 30 y.o. by the time they could start working as an attending in pathology. Assuming that's the case if he joined faculty as a 30 y.o. in 1985, that would mean he's now 68 y.o. The only way he could be 66 y.o. is if he didn't complete college or was on some kind of fast-track program during med school, or Doogie Howser...dunno

The age difference is pretty gross. I will never understand what someone at that age sees in someone medicare age.
Age is just a number that love is blind to...💘

I don't find it gross; but who cares if they're both happy? Anyways, it's usually women who get creeped out by older guys in relationship with older men...but...okayyy :eyebrow:

Leonardo DiCaprio is 48 y.o. and has always dated supermodels in their twenties and dumps them before they can turn 30. I don't hear anyone calling that gross (except maybe the rando uber-feminist). Granted, Epstein ain't no DiCaprio...haha, but my point is if a guy is single/divorced and can pull someone twenty years their junior, more power to them. And more importantly, if both people are happy, who cares. I ain't gonna rain on their parade. And, I bet a lot of middle-aged and older guys wish they could pull supermodels in their 20's like ol' Leo. Haters gonna hate though!
 
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The take home message I get from this is: no matter how much of a reputation one has built, in today's day & age, even the mighty can fall...



I suspect he's slightly older than 66 y.o. My former program director trained with him at Hopkins and was a year or two behind him...and my former program director retired about 5 years ago. Do the math: If Epstein is 66 y.o. as this article states, that means in 1985, when he joined faculty, would have been 28 or 29 at most. Even if one goes straight to becoming a practicing physician after high school at 18 y.o. with no gaps, that's still 4 yrs of undergrad + 4 yrs of med school + 4 yrs of residency before they could start working as an attending =12 yrs total. That puts them at least at 30 y.o. by the time they could start working as an attending in pathology. Assuming that's the case if he joined faculty as a 30 y.o. in 1985, that would mean he's now 68 y.o. The only way he could be 66 y.o. is if he didn't complete college or was on some kind of fast-tack program during med school, or Doogie Howser...dunno


Age is just a number that love is blind to...💘

I don't find it gross; but who cares if they're both happy? Anyways, it's usually women who get creeped out by older guys in relationship with older men...but...okayyy :eyebrow:

Leonardo DiCaprio is 48 y.o. and has always dated supermodels in their twenties and dumps them before they can turn 30. I don't hear anyone calling that gross (except maybe the rando uber-feminist). Granted, Epstein ain't no DiCaprio...haha, but my point is if a guy is single/divorced and can pull someone twenty years their junior, more power to them. And more importantly, if both people are happy, who cares. I ain't gonna rain on their parade. And, I bet a lot of middle-aged and older guys wish they could pull supermodels in their 20's like ol' Leo. Haters gonna hate though!
Get your facts straight buddy. He dumps girls before they hit 25 LOL.

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I suspect he's slightly older than 66 y.o. My former program director trained with him at Hopkins and was a year or two behind him...and my former program director retired about 5 years ago. Do the math: If Epstein is 66 y.o. as this article states, that means in 1985, when he joined faculty, would have been 28 or 29 at most. Even if one goes straight to becoming a practicing physician after high school at 18 y.o. with no gaps, that's still 4 yrs of undergrad + 4 yrs of med school + 4 yrs of residency before they could start working as an attending =12 yrs total. That puts them at least at 30 y.o. by the time they could start working as an attending in pathology. Assuming that's the case if he joined faculty as a 30 y.o. in 1985, that would mean he's now 68 y.o. The only way he could be 66 y.o. is if he didn't complete college or was on some kind of fast-track program during med school, or Doogie Howser...dunno

Maybe he is from the Dominican Republic and was scouted by the Baltimore Orioles and he's really 80 years old. No one knows.

The only thing I gleaned from his profile is that he received his medical degree in 1981 after completing some sort of combined BA/MD program. So, that probably shaved maybe 1-2 years off his training. I don't know if path residencies were 4 or 5 years back in the 70s/80s. Let's just say his residency/fellowship was a total of 5 years. I think it is pretty likely he is 66-67 years old and joined JHU as faculty when he was 28/29.
 
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One of his fellows, I think?
"Hillary Epstein, 44, who, according to licensing records, practices at Chesapeake Urology Associates in Beltsville, Md.
She received her medical license in 2013 after completing a genitourinary pathology fellowship at Hopkins the previous year, according to her résumé. Jonathan Epstein trains these fellows each year, according to his biography on Hopkins’s website. A social media post in 2014 shows the couple being married in the mountains of Big Sur, Calif.
 
I have almost no idea what happened nor I ever met Epstein, but the article reads like crap. Looks like all these cancelling stories on soc media. His relationship with his wife is his private business. Reviewing her cases is really dumb of course, and it shouldn’t have happened. I wish we knew more details about the case(s). I doubt it was intentional misinterpretation.
"Looks like all these cancelling stories on soc media."
LOL. Canceling story? Really??
 
"Hillary Epstein, 44, who, according to licensing records, practices at Chesapeake Urology Associates in Beltsville, Md.
She received her medical license in 2013 after completing a genitourinary pathology fellowship at Hopkins the previous year, according to her résumé. Jonathan Epstein trains these fellows each year, according to his biography on Hopkins’s website. A social media post in 2014 shows the couple being married in the mountains of Big Sur, Calif.
She was also an AP/CP resident at JHU. They had known each other for some time. I am not from JHU nor have I ever trained at JHU, but I would assume that their relationship was widely known in that department. So, all in all, they knew each other for at least 5+ years. The heart wants what the heart wants. Is there some kind of scandal here (besides the ones mentioned in the article)?

 
Somewhere out there, David Bostwick is having himself a long and hearty laugh.

I'm kinda hoping him and Epstein get together at the next USCAP, so they can argue over who has had a sadder ending to his career.
 
Somewhere out there, David Bostwick is having himself a long and hearty laugh.

I'm kinda hoping him and Epstein get together at the next USCAP, so they can argue over who has had a sadder ending to his career.
What happened to Bostwick? What happened to that Oppenheimer guy that got sued for defaming a urologist online?
 
She was also an AP/CP resident at JHU. They had known each other for some time. I am not from JHU nor have I ever trained at JHU, but I would assume that their relationship was widely known in that department. So, all in all, they knew each other for at least 5+ years. The heart wants what the heart wants. Is there some kind of scandal here (besides the ones mentioned in the article)?

Some other kind of scandal? Other than sh***y medical practice and abysmal judgment, none at all.
 
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They all got too excited and wanted to “get rich fast”. Slow is so much easier.
 
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I think Dr. O made it out ok after his defamation suit.

Aw heck Webb, he’s probably just a good ol’ avid feral hog hunter like me trying to get a little public approbation along the way. Couple square miles of watered woodland up there’s gotta hold some nice hogs!😉
 
Hate feral hogs. Sumbitches eat everything and destroy habitat. I see more of them on my Florida properties than here.
 
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Hate feral hogs. Sumbitches eat everything and destroy habitat. I see more of them on my Florida properties than here.
I live in FL and make a point of taking out as many of those abominations as I can. Far worse than pythons or iguanas.
 
I live in FL and make a point of taking out as many of those abominations as I can. Far worse than pythons or iguanas.

I watched some hogs kill and eat a fawn one time. It was grotesque. Hate them sumbitches
 
His position just got posted on pathology outlines. I’m sure there won’t be any baggage that comes along with taking that job!
 
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Well, after all, he’s an expert and authority. We are mere supplicants cowed by our ineptitude. 40 f***ing years of it with no lawsuits or legit complaints. I don’t think any of our esteemed uro paths can claim that.
 
Don't worry, he'll be fine getting his cut of PathAIs VC investments.
 
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Prominent Pathologist Leaves Johns Hopkins After Allegations​

By Steve Thompson , Katie Shepherd
February 24, 2024 Original article

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Internationally regarded pathologist Jonathan I. Epstein has resigned his post at Johns Hopkins Hospital, months after he was put on administrative leave amid misconduct allegations, the doctor and the hospital confirmed.
The resignation came before the hospital determined whether the allegations that he bullied or intimidated others in his department were founded, Hopkins spokeswoman Liz Vandendriessche said in an email. She did not say whether that inquiry would continue given his departure.

Epstein, who had been on paid leave since May, told The Washington Post in an email this month that Hopkins had “found no evidence of any professional misconduct (ie. no evidence of bullying).” Vandendriessche, however, said that The Post had been “misinformed” by Epstein and that his assertion that there was no evidence of misconduct was not true.

The disagreement punctuated a nearly four-decade relationship between Epstein and Johns Hopkins University, which he joined as a faculty member in 1985, developing a bustling consultation practice providing second opinions on pathology reports at the request of patients and other doctors.

Hospital officials do appear to have cleared Epstein of some issues related to his clinical care of patients, according to a statement Epstein said he and the Baltimore hospital agreed to in a legal document.

“Johns Hopkins Hospital conducted a review of Dr. Epstein’s clinical care and did not identify any areas of concern,” the statement said, according to Epstein. He declined to elaborate on the agreement, but he said the institution had committed to giving the statement to any prospective employers who call Hopkins to ask about him.

“Johns Hopkins University initiated an inquiry into allegations of professional misconduct,” the statement continued. “After seven months of inquiry, no determinations regarding professional misconduct had been made prior to Dr. Epstein’s resignation.”

The statement, the authenticity of which Vandendriessche did not confirm, went on to say that Epstein chose not to renew his clinical privileges at the hospital because of his decision to resign his faculty position at Johns Hopkins University, which Epstein said he did on Jan. 31. He had been the hospital’s director of surgical pathology.

Epstein told The Post he resigned because doctors who had made “anonymous false allegations” against him were still there, and he decided he “did not want to go back there to practice.”

A private accreditation report obtained by The Post last year detailed concerns under review by the Joint Commission, a nonprofit organization that accredits hospitals. The report, which did not name Epstein, referred to him when it pointed to “a department leader” as the subject of the complaints, according to people familiar with the situation who spoke to The Post on the condition of anonymity last year to discuss the then-ongoing review.

Epstein, according to the report, was accused by other doctors of pressuring them to change diagnoses and defer to his wishes over several years. In some cases, according to the people familiar with the accusations, doctors said they felt pressured to give second opinions that agreed with diagnoses made by Epstein’s wife, a pathologist at a urology center in Beltsville, Md. In one case, a misdiagnosis led to a patient’s bladder being removed, according to the report and the people.

The confidential Joint Commission report directed Hopkins to address long-standing concerns among physicians and others “regarding a culture of bullying and intimidation in the surgical pathology department,” which it said had left patients vulnerable to improper care. Accountability for safety in the hospital industry often relies on such private accreditation bodies, which make few, if any, of their findings public. Maureen Lyons, a Joint Commission spokeswoman, declined to comment beyond pointing to a website that lists Hopkins as accredited.

Experts say a proactive internal safety culture in which hospital staffers do not fear retaliation for speaking up is essential to ensuring good outcomes. Hopkins doctors and researchers have long pushed for safer medical institutions, efforts that have included the founding in 2017 of a Center for Diagnostic Excellence, which aims to eradicate misdiagnoses and the medical harm they cause.

This month, Epstein provided The Post a letter he received from the hospital, which said that a staff professionalism group conducted “an independent external review” of a sample of Epstein’s pathology cases and did not find significant clinical concerns. The hospital provided him the report, but Epstein said he could not share it because it included information about individual cases and was marked by Hopkins as confidential.

The hospital’s review, Epstein said, included the case involving the bladder. He said that an outside pathologist “agreed with my diagnosis and concluded that other pathologists would have arrived at the same diagnosis given the limited nature of the specimen, its morphology, and what clinical information I had at the time of the biopsy.”

The review, Epstein said, “concluded that all of these diagnoses were within good practice and what a reasonable pathologist would have diagnosed in the same situation.”

Vandendriessche said in an email that “some of the information provided to The Washington Post by Dr. Epstein was gathered pursuant to a confidential review process, which Dr. Epstein is not permitted to disclose.”

Epstein, recognized by urinary pathologists as a leader in his field, has written numerous papers on the detection of cancer and other diseases. He has steadfastly denied the allegations and told The Post last year that he was “profoundly distressed” by them. In a letter to colleagues last year, he wrote that he was “heartened by the outpouring of support from my pathologist friends and colleagues from all over the world in response to what they have termed a ‘hatchet job’ or a ‘smear campaign.’”
 
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He’s famous for his tantrums. Just ask his colleagues at ISUP. I’m sure it’s a relief to have him out of there.
 
I met him a few times and he seemed like a decent dude. Didn't work with him though.
 
His service for GU consults was always prompt and seemed to be good diagnoses when I sent them to him. Never met him though.
 
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The allegations likely fall under the medical staff's code of conduct (CC).
The main issue is often the physicians behavior.
In this case there are questions of clinical care too.
The outside reviewer seems to have cleared Epstein's diagnosis on his surgical pathology.

The Joint Commission and Medical Boards across the country have focused on negative physician behavior as a significant safety risk.
You are more likely to get booted off medical staff for behavioral issues than 20 year ago.
Still, it take a lot of time this for this to happen.

I suspect the code of conduct investigation is not closed.
It does not automatically close when a physician resigns.
He is not off the hook yet.
If it is bad enough there will be a negative entry in the national physician data bank.
This is public enough that I suspect his academic career is over anyway.
A private lab will be happy to have him.
 
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The allegations likely fall under the medical staff's code of conduct (CC).
The main issue is often the physicians behavior.
In this case there are questions of clinical care too.
The outside reviewer seems to have cleared Epstein's diagnosis on his surgical pathology.

The Joint Commission and Medical Boards across the country have focused on negative physician behavior as a significant safety risk.
You are more likely to get booted off medical staff for behavioral issues than 20 year ago.
Still, it take a lot of time this for this to happen.

I suspect the code of conduct investigation is not closed.
It does not automatically close when a physician resigns.
He is not off the hook yet.
If it is bad enough there will be a negative entry in the national physician data bank.
This is public enough that I suspect his academic career is over anyway.
A private lab will be happy to have him.
Having chaired such a committee, the “offender” typically first gets a “Dutch Uncle” talk from a respected elder of the medical staff. If things progress, remediation such as an anger management course is required. At this point, the “offender” not infrequently resigns.
 
You are more likely to get booted off medical staff for behavioral issues than 20 year ago.
👆This...

Back then, administration overlooked a lot of this kind of behavior. And there were only a few of health care conglomerate-owned hospitals which had the current policies and standard code of conduct enforced today.

For anyone who started as a med student 20 or more years ago, they would have heard of stories about, if not witnessed physicians getting away with a lot more unruly behavior than today's era. To name a few I've come across or stories I've heard from decades ago at places I've trained/worked:

- Surgeons throwing equipment and yelling at OR staff during surgery.
- Cute nurses getting their butts :mooning:pinched by male docs.
- Female med students/residents avoiding getting on the elevator with a certain attending male because he would flirt/harass them if no one else
was around.
- Pathologist who threw a glass reagent jar of hematoxylin at a tech.

The list goes on and the "god complex" was probably at its height when medicine was mostly male with few minorities from the 50s-70s. Think of the show 'Scrubs' during the 'Mad Men' era...
 
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👆This...

Back then, administration overlooked a lot of this kind of behavior. And there were only a few of health care conglomerate-owned hospitals which had the current policies and standard code of conduct enforced today.

For anyone who started as a med student 20 or more years ago, they would have heard of stories about, if not witnessed physicians getting away with a lot more unruly behavior than today's era. To name a few I've come across or stories I've heard from decades ago at places I've trained/worked:

- Surgeons throwing equipment and yelling at OR staff during surgery.
- Cute nurses getting their butts :mooning:pinched by male docs.
- Female med students/residents avoiding getting on the elevator with a certain attending male because he would flirt/harass them if no one else
was around.
- Pathologist who threw a glass reagent jar of hematoxylin at a tech.

The list goes on and the "god complex" was probably at its height when medicine was mostly male with few minorities from the 50s-70s. Think of the show 'Scrubs' during the 'Mad Men' era...
Duude - are you my twin? I've also come across those stories, and actually experienced some too!
 
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👆This...

Back then, administration overlooked a lot of this kind of behavior. And there were only a few of health care conglomerate-owned hospitals which had the current policies and standard code of conduct enforced today.

For anyone who started as a med student 20 or more years ago, they would have heard of stories about, if not witnessed physicians getting away with a lot more unruly behavior than today's era. To name a few I've come across or stories I've heard from decades ago at places I've trained/worked:

- Surgeons throwing equipment and yelling at OR staff during surgery.
- Cute nurses getting their butts :mooning:pinched by male docs.
- Female med students/residents avoiding getting on the elevator with a certain attending male because he would flirt/harass them if no one else
was around.
- Pathologist who threw a glass reagent jar of hematoxylin at a tech.

The list goes on and the "god complex" was probably at its height when medicine was mostly male with few minorities from the 50s-70s. Think of the show 'Scrubs' during the 'Mad Men' era...
Looking back, it is just amazing! These things were pretty routine in 1977. Add in smoking in patients rooms and the nursing station.
 
I still see lot of bad behavior in my area. Like a time capsule here. Fights very common, drug use by physicians as well. Doctors hooking up with nurses and administrators constantly. No one is fired due to not being able to replace them. Plus lot of eccentric behavior. A physician cancelled his procedures the other day because his cancer stricken dog needed to be driven to treatment. He just up and left the group of prepped patients.
 
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I still see lot of bad behavior in my area. Like a time capsule here. Fights very common, drug use by physicians as well. Doctors hooking up with nurses and administrators constantly. No one is fired due to not being able to replace them. Plus lot of eccentric behavior. A physician cancelled his procedures the other day because his cancer stricken dog needed to be driven to treatment. He just up and left the group of prepped patients.
Yeah, being rural, I could imagine that stuff is more prevalent. I've worked at rural hospitals before and they have a tendency to attract doctors who are running from something and/or don't have the most exemplary behavior. But, they can get away with more because those rural hospitals are usually desperate to find anyone to work there; and, as a result, the hospitals' have a higher tolerance level for such kind of bad behavior. A lot of these rural hospitals will take anyone with a rap sheet...
 
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Yeah, being rural, I could imagine that stuff is more prevalent. I've worked at rural hospitals before and they have a tendency to attract doctors who are running from something and/or don't have the most exemplary behavior. But, they can get away with more because those rural hospitals are usually desperate to find anyone to work there; and, as a result, the hospitals' have a higher tolerance level for such kind of bad behavior. This can happen in the big city too though, just talking odds...

Maybe I should call this laid off doctor. He might like it here better.
 
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