Jr Attending and Negotiating Salary

[needadvice]

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So I have been at an academic center for about 2 years. Fellowship trained and would like a raise. About 6 months ago, I asked for one, and my chair sort of just brushed it aside. I am going to do this again. Suggestions, strategies, is playing hardball with another offer worth it? No one teaches this stuff in med school!

 

[militarymd]

It is very simple.

1) know your options.
2) be prepared to exercise your options.


Have your exit strategy (I have one)....ask for what you want....if you get it great....if you don't...you have to decide if you are willing to take your "exit strategy" option....

If you are prepared to walk, then give the ultimatum.....this will lead to :

1) you get what you want...

or

2) you walk......

there's always option 3)

give the ultimatum....they tell you to walk, and you say "I was bluffing"...

I believe it is really that simple.....

 

[numbmd]

Get a few offers. Go to your Chair. After he tells you to walk, show him your offers and ask if he can do any better than what you currently have. If he won't budge, give him/her a counter offer. If still no movement on his part, give him 30 days. He will always try to f you. Find another place with less proclivity for sodomy.

 

[needadvice]

so is it worth getting offers just to bargain? do people do this?

 

[militarymd]

yes

 

[powermd]

so is it worth getting offers just to bargain? do people do this?

My fiancee is in business and frequently takes interviews to see what's out there, and to get offers for just this purpose. She actually likes her current job a lot, but when it comes to salary negociations, she's ready to play hardball.

 

[jetproppilot]

It is very simple.

1) know your options.
2) be prepared to exercise your options.


Have your exit strategy (I have one)....ask for what you want....if you get it great....if you don't...you have to decide if you are willing to take your "exit strategy" option....

If you are prepared to walk, then give the ultimatum.....this will lead to :

1) you get what you want...

or

2) you walk......

there's always option 3)

give the ultimatum....they tell you to walk, and you say "I was bluffing"...

I believe it is really that simple.....

I agree.

When negotiating hard-core you always have to be willing to walk.

 

[cchoukal]

in academics (inside and outside of medicine), people start doing "visiting professorships/lectureships" around the time they are up for tenure review. It's made out like it's some honor, but it's really just a job interview, and many times with the goal of getting an offer to take to the salary/review negotiations. So, yes, even in the "purity" of academics, people play the game.

 

[zippy2u]

Wow, fellowship trained and 2 years out in an academic center where ya see it all. Slick, that equates to a 98 mph fastball day in and day out in the Majors. 'bout time ya get your big girl panties on and transition over to the private sector, bringin' all that esoteric edumakation and layin' it all out on the table. Goin' to get ya some good coin with all that academic knowledge. Figuring 30 days/month, 179 days ago Zip would have had the raise or bailed. It's as simple as that... Regards, ---Zip

 

[gasnewby]

My fiancee is in business and frequently takes interviews to see what's out there, and to get offers for just this purpose. She actually likes her current job a lot, but when it comes to salary negociations, she's ready to play hardball.

sometimes i feel like doctors are so cut off from the rest of the world...i read your post and thought, wow, that's pretty ballsy!

but you know what? that's what WE should be doing! that's how the rest of the world works, yet it's such a mystery to most of us.

 

[Planktonmd]

It is very simple.

1) know your options.
2) be prepared to exercise your options.


Have your exit strategy (I have one)....ask for what you want....if you get it great....if you don't...you have to decide if you are willing to take your "exit strategy" option....

If you are prepared to walk, then give the ultimatum.....this will lead to :

1) you get what you want...

or

2) you walk......

there's always option 3)

give the ultimatum....they tell you to walk, and you say "I was bluffing"...

I believe it is really that simple.....

Option 3 is not very glamorous.

 

[coprolalia]

Excellent advice here. Seems simple, but it does take some balls. I think you gotta remember that the people you work with, and more importantly work for, are not really your friends. If you go into it with that attitude, then it is a lot easier.

-copro

 

[fval28]

Option 3 is not very glamorous.

I think that was Mil's point- if you are not willing to sack up and walk then don't make the ultimatum.

We recently had an orthopod at our place do just that.

One of our orthopods announced he was leaving for greener pastures, so this guy thought it was a prime opportunity to stick it to the hospital and come up with all these crazy demands- and made it well known to the BOD, admin, medical and RN staff that if he didn't get everything he wanted, he would leave at the same time as the other orthopod.

BOD met, and decided to politely decline his offer and relay to him to not let the door hit him in the a$$ on his way out.

That was one year ago- and he is still here with no plans to leave.

Now he looks like a total tool to all of us and has lost the all the respect and credibility he once had.

Also his practice is drying up b/c people don't want to go to him, and the PCPs don't refer to him for fear that he is going to pick up and go at a moment's notice.

I live in a pretty rural area and I know of patients who are travelling 40+ miles away to have their knee scopes done.

And the hospital is not lifting a finger to help this guy out.