Judicial Action question

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[ceadmilefailte]

All in all, i learned from it to be more careful with technology, as it can get you in trouble if you are in the wrong place/ wrong time.

What'd you do?

If I was in your shoes, I'd report it and explain the sanctions like you said; but think about how you can say how you learned from the experience. If it is something pretty serious, I'd give it a thorough, honest explanation on your app. If you just have the violation of the conduct policy/it was a serious thing on your app, and you don't give much explanation, you'll run the risk of them trashing it. 🙂

 

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[kcin]

Thank you for the advice.. Basically, I had just gotten an iphone from my friend(having never had one). I was playing around with it one day in the same room as a lady friend of mine... I took a picture with her back turned with all of her clothes on(in case anyone was wondering lol). Didn't know iphones save automatically. Forgot about said picture. Asked said lady if I could plug in iphone to charge on her laptop. Picture comes up on her laptop. She thinks I was like sneaking around taking photos of her. I had forgotten about the picture so responding to her shock, I see the picture, delete it immediately to make her happy and because i thought thats what I should do since I didn't want to have it there in the first place. I apologized up the wall/ tried to explain but the trust and damage had already been done.

All in all, she tried to get me in trouble as much as she could(because I got a girlfriend soon after.. I guess she was mad?). and since they couldn't put it under sexual harassment or anything, since it wasn't, I received a judicial for "disruptive conduct" .

so embaressing to explain because i usually never do stupid things like this. But I really dont want to be rejected from DO school just for this =(

You should apply to MSUCOM

 

[Panda247]

msucom?

 

[Panda247]

oh the dog thing =(

 

[kcin]

You really should have fought that harder... unless you're leaving something out, I don't see how they could have punished you for taking a picture of someone's CLOTHED back.

 

[Panda247]

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[doingit9]

Thank you for the advice.. Basically, I had just gotten an iphone from my friend(having never had one). I was playing around with it one day in the same room as a lady friend of mine... I took a picture with her back turned with all of her clothes on(in case anyone was wondering lol). Didn't know iphones save automatically. Forgot about said picture. Asked said lady if I could plug in iphone to charge on her laptop. Picture comes up on her laptop. She thinks I was like sneaking around taking photos of her. I had forgotten about the picture so responding to her shock, I see the picture, delete it immediately to make her happy and because i thought thats what I should do since I didn't want to have it there in the first place. I apologized up the wall/ tried to explain but the trust and damage had already been done.

All in all, she tried to get me in trouble as much as she could(because I got a girlfriend soon after.. I guess she was mad?). and since they couldn't put it under sexual harassment or anything, since it wasn't, I received a judicial for "disruptive conduct" .

so embaressing to explain because i usually never do stupid things like this. But I really dont want to be rejected from DO school just for this =(

This whole situation is completely ridiculous

 

[Panda247]

This whole situation is completely ridiculous

please tell me about it lol... even the head of judicial affairs sympathized for me as most thought she overreacted. I even offered for them to confiscate my phone, laptop, anything. I tried showing the girl the picture before i deleted it(for her to make sure that it wasn't inappropriate), and she just wouldnt have it.

AHH i don't know what to do. I feel like I might as well comitted a felony or something lol. could anyone offer some hopeful words? I'm freakin out =(

 

[tbone1234]

First, take a deep breath man. Calm down. I think we all get so caught up in the smallest things during this process, including myself. Just think it through.

This is a tough case, since you're right about needing to mention it so they don't think you're a liar, but it's for such a ridiculous "crime" that you have to let them know so they don't scrap your application. Your PS is only 4500 characters... I don't think there's enough space to discuss this in length. You might want to mention it in a sentence or two briefly, depending on the theme of your PS (especially if it's overcoming obstacles, lol) 🙄

Anyway, I'm sorry about your situation bro. Keep us updated on what you decide. 👍

 

[TriagePreMed]

What did you learn from this besides some people can be real *******s? I remember once I had a job working in the backroom with another guy. I told him "damn, that chick outside has a nice rack." Then a female co-worker (not the one I was talking about) overheard the conversation and went to my boss saying she felt sexually harassed by me for talking about women in that way. The boss basically took her side and I had to quit. The boss actually wanted me to sign paperwork saying I sexually harassed her. It's bull****.

OP, you should have fought that harder. Taking a photo of another person is not against the law. I recommend you call an attorney and see of a way of getting that off your record completely. All it will take is an ADCOM that thinks you're a perv and will be a problem in OB/Gyn rotations to keep from admitting you. I'm not saying that will happen, but seriously, just like that crazy chick, there are other crazy people.

 

[kcin]

What did you learn from this besides some people can be real *******s? I remember once I had a job working in the backroom with another guy. I told him "damn, that chick outside has a nice rack." Then a female co-worker (not the one I was talking about) overheard the conversation and went to my boss saying she felt sexually harassed by me for talking about women in that way. The boss basically took her side and I had to quit. The boss actually wanted me to sign paperwork saying I sexually harassed her. It's bull****.

OP, you should have fought that harder. Taking a photo of another person is not against the law. I recommend you call an attorney and see of a way of getting that off your record completely. All it will take is an ADCOM that thinks you're a perv and will be a problem in OB/Gyn rotations to keep from admitting you. I'm not saying that will happen, but seriously, just like that crazy chick, there are other crazy people.

^^ If there's any way to get it removed, you should try. Taking pictures isn't illegal or against rules

 

[And I Was Like]

What did you learn from this besides some people can be real *******s? I remember once I had a job working in the backroom with another guy. I told him "damn, that chick outside has a nice rack." Then a female co-worker (not the one I was talking about) overheard the conversation and went to my boss saying she felt sexually harassed by me for talking about women in that way. The boss basically took her side and I had to quit. The boss actually wanted me to sign paperwork saying I sexually harassed her. It's bull****.

OP, you should have fought that harder. Taking a photo of another person is not against the law. I recommend you call an attorney and see of a way of getting that off your record completely. All it will take is an ADCOM that thinks you're a perv and will be a problem in OB/Gyn rotations to keep from admitting you. I'm not saying that will happen, but seriously, just like that crazy chick, there are other crazy people.

What you did was the very definition of sexual harrassment. Such comments are best made away from work.

To the original poster, I don't see anything coming of it. If you explain it like you did here most people are just going to shrug it off. It seems this girl either had something personally against you, or the world. I feel this is just ridiculous.

 

[TriagePreMed]

What you did was the very definition of sexual harrassment. Such comments are best made away from work.

To the original poster, I don't see anything coming of it. If you explain it like you did here most people are just going to shrug it off. It seems this girl either had something personally against you, or the world. I feel this is just ridiculous.

No. It isn't. Here's the source: http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/sexual_harassment.cfm

Although the law doesn't prohibit simple teasing, offhand comments, or isolated incidents that are not very serious, harassment is illegal when it is so frequent or severe that it creates a hostile or offensive work environment or when it results in an adverse employment decision (such as the victim being fired or demoted).

Only in the mind of *****s would my comment be considered "harassment." I wasn't even speaking about the person that was "offended." And since when do people have a right to not feel "offended" at comments? Feeling harassed is okay, but not comments. It's not even about censored organs. A woman can display her rack (i.e. cleavage) legally. However, if I comment, it's harassment? No. Maybe you'd have some basis if my comment was about nipples or vagina, but you're not even close.

 

[And I Was Like]

No. It isn't. Here's the source: http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/sexual_harassment.cfm


Only in the mind of *****s would my comment be considered "harassment." I wasn't even speaking about the person that was "offended." And since when do people have a right to not feel "offended" at comments? Feeling harassed is okay, but not comments. It's not even about censored organs. A woman can display her rack (i.e. cleavage) legally. However, if I comment, it's harassment? No. Maybe you'd have some basis if my comment was about nipples or vagina, but you're not even close.

Defensive aren't we? I see your continued use of the word "rack" rather than breasts or cleavage and that about sums it up for me. Not saying your a sexist, you said this was a while ago so it was likely a dumb off-the-cuff remark you made as a teen. I can easily see how someone would be offended by this, however.

 

[nicknickp3]

Lol at the OP's situation and the cats, both are ridiculous. A college age girl getting upset when a guy looks at her, puh-leez.

 

[ceadmilefailte]

OP, I agree with what others have said that the charges against you are pretty ridiculous (as long as that was the full story lol). That being said, explain it on your app, but there won't be much room in a PS to talk about it. I do remember seeing a section on the aacomas app where you could add any letter or document that was pertinent--perhaps this might be a good spot to talk about what happened? As long as you can find a way to explain how the charges against you were not very serious (you'll need to strike a balance between not making excuses and conveying that these charges are pretty trivial) and I think most adcoms would realize that this really wasn't your fault.

As a side note, is there anyway you can get this removed or expunged? It seems like the accusations against you were pretty baseless and I feel bad that you got judicial action for something so silly.

Good luck!

 

[TriagePreMed]

Defensive aren't we? I see your continued use of the word "rack" rather than breasts or cleavage and that about sums it up for me. Not saying your a sexist, you said this was a while ago so it was likely a dumb off-the-cuff remark you made as a teen. I can easily see how someone would be offended by this, however.

I am defensive because being accused of sexual harassment in this country is basically a death sentence for every man. Unless we get people to understand what sexual harassment is, comments will continue. I can understand that she got offended. Heck, I get offended at Twilight and hope you understand. This doesn't make my comment a "crime" or twilight a "crime." People don't have the right not to be offended in this country.

And it's an "off-hand" comment now on a job setting, but you will hear me commenting about women's bodies if you are the type of friend that I do that with. Women comment about men's bodies too. It has nothing to do with sexism. We are sexual creatures. We like what we like and many times we comment it.

 

[kcin]

Defensive aren't we? I see your continued use of the word "rack" rather than breasts or cleavage and that about sums it up for me. Not saying your a sexist, you said this was a while ago so it was likely a dumb off-the-cuff remark you made as a teen. I can easily see how someone would be offended by this, however.

Get rid of your pony, you don't deserve it.

 

[ceadmilefailte]

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Get rid of your pony, you don't deserve it.

 

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[tbone1234]

I was playing with an iphone, which my friend had just given me when I took a picture of a friend of mine with her back turned fully clothed. I didn't realize the picture had automatically saved. Weeks later, my friend saw the photo and was just as shocked as I was. I deleted it immediately and showed her that it was not on my laptop or phone. I proceeded to apologize however she proceeded with judicial action.

I was found to be guilty of disruptive conduct.I have served all sanctions for it including a few hours of community service. I have learned from this to be a lot more careful with technology as it can ultimately lead to trouble if used incorrectly without proper knowledge of the device at hand.

Sounds good! I'm glad you figured this out man.

 

[JaggerPlate]

So ... I hate to go against the grain here, but I don't think this situation is going to fly well. Frankly, this situation is so odd when you explain it, that if I were a complete outsider who didn't know you, I'd think that something didn't add up.

Let's just review this situation from the POV of a 55 year old, highly conservative/traditional med school adcom:

This person was handed a phone that didn't belong to him, he accidentally took a picture of a woman while her back was turned, the girl found out about the photograph, felt violated, felt compelled enough to report the incident, and someone in the administration office believed the situation was severe enough to make an official note about the incident.

You can explain it to us, you can listen to all the people basically laughing and throwing up the "wtf/that girl is crazy" post (which could be 100% true), but I just don't know if adcoms are going to view it this way.

Getting a slap on the wrist for sneaking beer in the dorms, breaking a noise violation, etc, etc ... people "get this" and normally brush it off because everybody did it at some point during undergrad. Taking a picture of a girl when she was unaware, having her find out, become offended, and the situation resulting in an official school sanction??? Sorry, but this is just going to raise some eyebrows or leave people thinking that "something doesn't add up."

If I were in your situation ... I'd do the following:

1. List it - if they find out later that it happened and you didn't, it's going to cost you.

2. Explain it as basic as possible (because your above elaboration, to me at least, sounds odd):

On (month), (year), I received a judicial reprimand, warning, etc (say whatever you want for the title of it). The situation was a non-academic misunderstanding between myself and another student and was completely resolved with a meeting and explanation with (person you met with). Although I'm not certain this issue needs to be reported, in the interest of integrity I wanted to list it and state that it is easily explainable and not reflective of my character. I welcome any further questioning regarding this issue.

Obviously that's just whatever and you can explain it however you want, but this is just something that states: yeah a little non-academic, non-violent (may want to include both those) issue happened, it resulted in a warning, and I can fully explain it AND take responsibility (this is big ... don't play yourself up to be the victim, adcoms don't like it) if necessary. To me ... this sounds a lot better than an explanation about you taking pictures of girls without their knowledge or permission.

Also, be prepared to explain this during an interview. Every school will likely read your explanation because you marked yes, and I would have a good explanation where you explain what happened, don't make yourself out to be the victim (even if you are), and state at the end that you've grown from it, know it's not reflective of who you are, etc.

Good luck.

 

[tbone1234]

On (month), (year), I received a judicial reprimand, warning, etc (say whatever you want for the title of it). The situation was a non-academic misunderstanding between myself and another student and was completely resolved with a meeting and explanation with (person you met with). Although I'm not certain this issue needs to be reported, in the interest of integrity I wanted to list it and state that it is easily explainable and not reflective of my character. I welcome any further questioning regarding this issue.

This is much better!! lol 👍

 

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[JaggerPlate]

YES!! I feel like I found the answer I was searching for!

👍 Good luck bud! Keep us updated!