Just scored my first official MCAT practice exam--30 total

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As this is my first post, I'll introduce myself: I am a non-traditional 25 yr old with a bachelors in Art from 2006 and have only been studying health science for a year, but I have signed up to take the MCAT in May and will be applying to medical schools for entry fall 2011.

I have been anxious about the MCAT, but having taken my first practice exam, I am feeling a little better...

E-MCAT Score:
------------------Correct-----%age--Score-Percentile Est.
Composite---------110 of 144--76%---30----74.1-79.0
Physical Sciences-39 of 52----75%---10----67.5-80.8
Verbal Reasoning--33 of 40----83%---11----82.6-94.1
Biological Sci----38 of 52----73%---9-----43.1-61.4

I was pleasantly surprised, as I haven't taken any physics or organic chem yet, and those were my weakest points in the exam. Verbal Reasoning could be better too, as that is always my strongest score...had a perfect ACT in Reading.

The question is whether these results should be taken as indicative of what I might actually score on the real MCAT. Purportedly, they should, but I am just not sure. Any insight on how the practice E-MCAT exams stack up to the real deal?

Thanks!
 
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Yes, they are decent enough correlation. However, 30 is not good enough.

Give yourself a pat in the back, but step it up and Aim for 144/144.
 
As said before a 30 is adequate. If you took the test under timed conditions and plan to take organic and physics before taking the real deal in May then it sounds like you are in good shape.

I am also a non-trad student applying this coming cycle, so I wanted to let you know that you should also have significant clinical experience and volunteer work by the time you apply. Since this is your first post, I wanted to make sure that you are aware of those things. Good Luck.
 
That is a great score for your FIRST practice test. You will go up from here as you learn the test and what material is commonly tested. I am a little worried that you say you haven't taken physics or organic chemistry yet. You most certainly should take these (both parts 1 and 2) before taking the MCAT as it most likely will come to bite you in the a** if you don't. They are required for med school anyways so why not take them before the MCAT to give yourself a leg up?

How are you going to take both Physics 1 and 2 and Orgo 1 and 2 before May when it is Feb?
 
There really isn't that much OChem II on the MCAT, so one can manage without taking it before the MCAT. For the right person, it is possible to teach oneself enough Physics II, and it is important that one master that material for the test. I assume you're taking the first courses of the series now?
 
There really isn't that much OChem II on the MCAT, so one can manage without taking it before the MCAT. For the right person, it is possible to teach oneself enough Physics II, and it is important that one master that material for the test. I assume you're taking the first courses of the series now?

OP said they did not have "any"...so maybe not.

It is possible not to have all the prereqs before taking the MCAT and do your best....but I dont recommend it.

I guess it depends on what is good enough for the person.
 
MCAT passages are random.. person A can have alot of physics one and person b could have alot of chem 2 so wouldn't it be better to be prepared by taking all the classes first so you are ready for anything?
 

The question is whether these results should be taken as indicative of what I might actually score on the real MCAT. Purportedly, they should, but I am just not sure. Any insight on how the practice E-MCAT exams stack up to the real deal?

The AAMC practice tests are all I can comment on. They feel identical enough to the real thing, after taking all 6 or 7 practice tests the actual test felt like just another practice test.

There were a few differences I remember between them in layout/options, but right now I can't remember them as they weren't major.

As for score, I got 31-35 on the practice (10-12 on the sciences and 9-11 on the VR). The actual exam I got a 32. So close enough. Don't try and change your routine for the actual exam, do whatever is working on the practice tests.

PS well done for first test and good luck!
 
Or take the mcat course.

to do well, you need to know EVERYTHING.

its silly to take a test and gamble that there will be less of say physics II or orgo II.

just like when u go out and meet your patient u want to know EVERYTHING, instead of gambling they dunt get a disease that u have not read up.

of course, that is not as possible given how broad medicine is.
but ochem II and physics II is not.

144/144 is the AIM!

it was my aim... whenever i did the practice tests i didnt bother with the curved score (1-45)

i just wanted all my asnwers to be right.
 
to do well, you need to know EVERYTHING.

I'll agree with this. You will get a very high score if you know just enough about everything, but if you know everything about all the MCAT subjects EXCEPT, for example, IR spectra, amino acids, and Henderson-Hasselbalch, you will fail miserably. There's always going to be that one subject that takes up like 20% of a section, and you will know nothing about it.
 
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I guess you must have been talking about that verbal section


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lol
 
OP said they did not have "any"...so maybe not.

It is possible not to have all the prereqs before taking the MCAT and do your best....but I dont recommend it.

I guess it depends on what is good enough for the person.

Wow. Lots of replies. It feels good that my first thread has been a success. 🙂

Essentially my reasons for not taking these courses prior to my taking the MCAT is that I simply will not have had them yet. I am not due to take any official coursework in physics or organic chemistry until after the MCAT, thus I am planning to do a self-taught crash course in them as much as I can while already enrolled full time in other courses.

Since I had already obtained a bachelor degree in another field, I have only the sciences to take each semester, which is great--in that I am immersed in the material--and not so great in that a few months from taking the MCAT, I still have several things left untaken due to the serial nature of the coursework. It will all be done by May 2011, thus prior to entrance into medical school, but necessarily not before taking the MCAT in May 2010.

Thanks everyone for all your helpful and encouraging comments. I especially approve of the quest for perfection outlined by bannie22. I hope to get much closer to 144/144, although possibly not in time for the examination. Is the goal not knowledge and wisdom rather than others' acknowledgment of your knowledge and wisdom?

@rHinO1: yes I am aware and still have some work to do in this area. I volunteered as a relief worker in Bukavu, DRC (East Africa) 2006-07 for 6 months--did a lot of first aid, education, recreation, and food programs, and have shadowed a surgeon locally, but need to do more clinical stuff, and I am aware of that. It is a balancing act to have to work part time to minimize debt and study enough and still have time for this. I do volunteer when available with a local food-packing charity which operates in some of the poorest countries in the world, but I really lack patient-care hours. Thanks for the reminder!

Of course, I may not be admitted this first time around, in which case I will continue to take health science electives, expand my clinical experience, and try for that 144/144 next year. 🙂
 
Essentially my reasons for not taking these courses prior to my taking the MCAT is that I simply will not have had them yet. I am not due to take any official coursework in physics or organic chemistry until after the MCAT, thus I am planning to do a self-taught crash course in them as much as I can while already enrolled full time in other courses.

Since I had already obtained a bachelor degree in another field, I have only the sciences to take each semester, which is great--in that I am immersed in the material--and not so great in that a few months from taking the MCAT, I still have several things left untaken due to the serial nature of the coursework. It will all be done by May 2011, thus prior to entrance into medical school, but necessarily not before taking the MCAT in May 2010.

maybe others will chime in, but i hear alarm bells here...

as was said above, it IS possible to do well on the MCAT when self-taught in some of the subjects, just not advisable. i'll say that if you're getting those scores on a real-life-conditions practice exam without any formal instruction in orgo or physics, then you have an excellent platform on which to start. that said: you could do even better if you had them under your belt already.

the larger problem follows, however. I assume the reason you wish to sit for the MCAT before you've had these courses is that you're planning on taking them the same year during which you apply, thus shaving a year off your timeline to MS-I. this is a bad idea. it's true that most medical schools only require you to have completed the prerequisites prior to matriculation. this is however really only meant for people who may only have one or two courses left to wrap up, out of the standard eight. in order to sell them on your skills as a science student, you want them to have as much of a picture as possible. have you got any science (biology/chemistry/physics/math) at all from your undergrad Art degree? if not, you are asking schools to interview and admit you on the basis of sixteen credits of introductory science credits. to do so is asking them to take a tremendous risk. plenty of people crash and burn on orgo and physics; i'm not saying you will, but schools have to take this into consideration. they won't be able to see those grades until January (and May!)

i understand your interest in taking as short a path as possible to becoming a doctor. I'm a non-trad who had to take all my prerequisites at the age of 27-28. i really feel though, that a better plan may be for you to wait another year. then schools will see your whole picture, your A's that are coming this academic year 😀, in print - instead of just asking them to take you based on faith. not only that, but your MCAT practice score suggests that you could really be able to do well on this test with the proper background and prep. like, mid 30's. 35 is much, much better than 30. you DO NOT want to be a reapplicant for 2012 - much better to be a first-time applicant with all your ducks in a row. to be honest -although your EC's sound great - if you don't have any other science credits from undergrad, and you don't have any significant research experience, i'd be surprised if you got in anywhere for 2011. excellence as a science student is the first necessity for entrance to medical school - and you are probably asking them to take too much for granted.

maybe there is something else we should know? are you doing a post-bacc with a linkage program to a med school, that specifically allows you to be taking the second half of your pre-med during your gap year? i think those are out there...

just my $0.02 - your motivation for becoming a doctor sounds solid, adcoms love stories like ours, the trick i think is to be able to sell yourself and to play the admissions game well. if you wait until the whole package is in place, i think you could do really, really well. applying this year could be just setting yourself up for heartburn.
 
don't let the practice exams get your hopes up. I was regularly scoring 35s on them and felt like I just got demolished on the real thing when I took the MCAT on 1/29.
 
don't let the practice exams get your hopes up. I was regularly scoring 35s on them and felt like I just got demolished on the real thing when I took the MCAT on 1/29.

If only the MCAT used questions we all practiced on.
 
...I assume the reason you wish to sit for the MCAT before you've had these courses is that you're planning on taking them the same year during which you apply, thus shaving a year off your timeline to MS-I. this is a bad idea.
Correct, I don't want to sit around for a year. I had sort of thought taking a year off might look lazy to a medical school admissions committee, but admit this is purely an instinctive thought. I don't really think it's a bad idea to try to get in as soon as possible in theory, although your thoughts on my chances of acceptance are probably valid.
you are asking schools to interview and admit you on the basis of sixteen credits of introductory science credits. to do so is asking them to take a tremendous risk. plenty of people crash and burn on orgo and physics; i'm not saying you will, but schools have to take this into consideration. they won't be able to see those grades until January (and May!)

Well, to be clearer, by August 2010, I will have taken:

Intro Biology (1 semester-4 credits)
General Chemistry (2 semesters-9 credits)
Human Anatomy (1 semester-4 credits)
Human Physiology (1 semester-4 credits)
Human Genetics (1 semester-4 credits)
Microbiology (1 semester-4 credits)
*Organic Chemistry (1 semester-4 credits)

For a total of eight science courses, worth 33 credit hours...at the moment still all A's.

*First semester Organic Chemistry will be taken over the summer term.

Coursework notwithstanding, won't schools have some idea of my abilities as a result of the MCAT? That is to say if I do well on that (for argument's sake, let's say 33-37), what cause would they have to think I was unable to do the coursework?

35 is much, much better than 30. you DO NOT want to be a reapplicant for 2012 - much better to be a first-time applicant with all your ducks in a row.

What is the logic behind this statement? I really am in the dark on why this is your opinion. Is there a stigma associated with reapplicants?

just my $0.02 - your motivation for becoming a doctor sounds solid, adcoms love stories like ours, the trick i think is to be able to sell yourself and to play the admissions game well. if you wait until the whole package is in place, i think you could do really, really well. applying this year could be just setting yourself up for heartburn.

To be fair, I have little knowledge of admissions committees, and only a vague understanding of the rigors of the application process, as told to me secondhand. I'm not a big ass kisser, but I am a charismatic, likeable guy. 🙂 All facts aside, I have considered taking a year off before applying just for a study break, to do some other things, like volunteering or something. I guess I need to give this some more thought...thanks for your comments.
 
There is not as much stigma towards reapplicant as initially believed.
 
I literally did not learn any chemistry or organic chemistry in class--a lot of students will tell you that, but I went to ZERO lectures and winged each midterm/final (literally seeing the classroom for the first time). My grades that year were piss poor.

Then I self studied for the MCAT, got (low) 36- (high) 43 on all the AAMC practice tests, and did ok on the real one.

It seems that doing well on the MCAT is a matter of rigorous logic and application, rather than the rote knowledge of a set of facts. Especially for chemistry and physics, the test questions all seem to be variations on maybe a half-dozen fundamental concepts (e.g. conservation of energy).

If your practice test scores are stable and within the range you desire, you'll be ok. If they exhibit high variance I would say you need to study more before testing again.
 
It's true. The MCAT is at its heart a test of logic as applied to basic scientific knowledge. Still, knowing certain things that just have to be remembered would help greatly.
 
Correct, I don't want to sit around for a year. I had sort of thought taking a year off might look lazy to a medical school admissions committee, but admit this is purely an instinctive thought.

don't think of it as looking lazy. rather, well prepared and committed. there's a name for the extra year, as it's such a common experience for those applying: "gap year." adcoms are certainly used to seeing that; the only way it hurts you is if you don't make good use of the time. i agree, in some ways it's a drag, but usually folks use the time to strength their application somehow in a way that would have been difficult or impossible while they were in the midst of taking classes. an in-depth clinical or research experience, for example.


Well, to be clearer, by August 2010, I will have taken:

Intro Biology (1 semester-4 credits)
General Chemistry (2 semesters-9 credits)
Human Anatomy (1 semester-4 credits)
Human Physiology (1 semester-4 credits)
Human Genetics (1 semester-4 credits)
Microbiology (1 semester-4 credits)
*Organic Chemistry (1 semester-4 credits)

For a total of eight science courses, worth 33 credit hours...at the moment still all A's.

*First semester Organic Chemistry will be taken over the summer term.

ok, you're further along than i at first thought. that's my bad: i and most other people in my post-bac took two years to get through the pre-reqs, taking 8-12 credits at a time, so i was biased. this looks good. two things though: Anatomy and Physiology may not be verified by AMCAS as "science" unless they were taken through the Biology department at your school. dumb, but true. also: best case scenario is you take both orgos over the summer, but i'd guess that the grade for the second one won't be on your transcript until August, which means if you want it on your verified AMCAS report then you have to wait to submit until the grade comes out, which means you are verified in September (it takes 4-6 weeks) and completing secondaries in October. which is late. which is bad.


Coursework notwithstanding, won't schools have some idea of my abilities as a result of the MCAT? That is to say if I do well on that (for argument's sake, let's say 33-37), what cause would they have to think I was unable to do the coursework?

they wouldn't, necessarily. except that you are competing for interviews/acceptances with other candidates who have completed more work, including all the required courses. this places you at a disadvantage, because their track record is better. every time a school extends an offer to interview, they are taking a risk on someone. often they are saying no to four, five, sometimes six other applicants so that they can talk to YOU. without three/eight of the required courses, you are more a risk than someone with eight/eight. by progressing with this plan, you are not putting yourself at best advantage in this very competitive process.


What is the logic behind this statement? I really am in the dark on why this is your opinion. Is there a stigma associated with reapplicants?

There is not as much stigma towards reapplicant as initially believed.

ok, to be fair i didn't word this well enough. from what i've seen, reapplicants can do well if they demonstrate substantive improvements in their file from the previous attempt, which you would for 2012 with the new A's and whatever other ECs/LORs you might have by then. i guess really where i'm coming from is my position right now, as my application cycle is winding down... the year you will spend applying to medical school is an enormously draining process, both emotionally and financially. i for one can speak to the fact that i was not prepared for how tough it would be on me. much like the MCAT, the best approach to applying is to be as well prepared as you possibly can be so that you only have to do this once. the added benefit is that, as a stronger applicant, you will have a better chance to be admitted to stronger/more reputable schools, qualify for scholarships, etc. if you apply before you are ready, if you aren't prepared to put everything you've got into the process, the what-ifs will cost you more sleep than you would ever have thought possible.


To be fair, I have little knowledge of admissions committees, and only a vague understanding of the rigors of the application process, as told to me secondhand. I'm not a big ass kisser, but I am a charismatic, likeable guy. 🙂 All facts aside, I have considered taking a year off before applying just for a study break, to do some other things, like volunteering or something. I guess I need to give this some more thought...thanks for your comments.

i'm not an expert either by any means. i'm certainly not an adcom, just another person trying to make sense of this process and pass on what i've gleaned along the way. i do feel confident telling you that, regardless of your MCAT score, you are a substantively weaker applicant for 2011 than you would be in 2012.
 
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