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Asking for input from current students or alumni from either school (or any school) to tell me what they like/dislike most. I've gotten accepted to both but indecisive on which school I should send my deposit to. Any input would be great. My gut is pushing towards KCUMB but DMU is a great school as well.
 
Asking for input about which school they believe is a better choice for medical school. I've gotten accepted to both but indecisive on which school I should send my deposit to. Any input would be great. My gut is pushing towards KCUMB but DMU is a great school as well.
 
Similar schools from my interview days. However, one big difference is their emphasis on OMT (First year DMU students correct me if I'm wrong). Not a huge emphasis at KCUMB, much more so at DMU. Also, curriculum at KCUMB is fairly different since we do systems x2.
 
^current student at KCUMB student probbaly has a better understanding of KCUMB than someone who spent 12 hours there haha
 
I really like kcumb's curriculum. I think the faculty are very student oriented and many of them go wayyyy beyond what's expected of them to help us. Students are supportive of one another, and it's a good environment.
 
Asking for input from current students or alumni from either school (or any school) to tell me what they like/dislike most. I've gotten accepted to both but indecisive on which school I should send my deposit to. Any input would be great. My gut is pushing towards KCUMB but DMU is a great school as well.

Here is what I posted in a similar question on the DMU specific thread:

You can't really go wrong with either school. Make a list of non-school priorities that you are looking for and find out which school has the most of those.

Here's what is probably equal between the two:
- Both have a huge alumni base/solid reputation
- Both schools have solid clinical rotation opportunities
- Both schools have excellent faculty (from what I have heard about KCUMB)
- There isn't a huge price difference between the two, not like a LECOM/in-state school type of price difference
- Curriculum is slightly different between the two, but I don't know enough about KCUMB's to comment although I have heard good things, I do know DMU's curriculum is good, there are always some tweaks that could be made at every school
- DMU does have more emphasis on OMM/OMT (two full years of it, all mandatory lectures, also have a 40 hour cranial elective (don't even get me started on that), DMU does have some excellent OMM faculty who are incredibly talented at what they do)
- Research wise, DMU isn't particularly lacking in the area, but most DO schools aren't exactly geared toward research

If you want a competitive specialty, you are gonna have to work your *** off no matter where you go and both schools would help you in that area. I know DMU's board pass rates are well above the national average, and I'm pretty sure KCUMB does just as well. There simply aren't that many differences between the two schools in terms of quality and I don't know much about KCUMB's new curriculum, but I know DMU's curriculum does quite well in terms of boards preparation.

So it's time for you to look at the "intangibles" so to speak: family (do you want to be close to them to have opportunities to go home? Do you have a significant other to consider? Children?), Living expenses (Des Moines average COL is 10% below national average), Area of living (there aren't many areas of Des Moines I would consider bad and I'm from Chicago), Atmosphere of the school (approachability of faculty and students alike), peer mentorship/guidance opportunities (DMU has plenty, I don't know enough about KCUMB to comment on it).

My best advice is don't discount the importance of the gut feeling when you visited each school. Take some time to reflect on each visit/interview day and think about how you felt throughout it and consider how you felt interacting with students and with faculty.

Feel free to me pm me if you have other specific questions.

P.S. Go Gunners!
 
The curriculum is a modified systems base curriculum that reminds me of Loma Linda's curriculum (it's also the same curriculum used at RVUCOM and UNTHSC/TCOM):

1st year is all systems emphasizing embryology, anatomy, physiology, and normal function with clinical vignettes.

2nd year is all systems repeated again but emphasizing pathology, pharmacology, and clinical assessment.

KCUMB also required bioethics and bioinformatics courses. In informatics course is supposed to help acclimate you to varying EMR systems i believe but I could be wrong about that.
 
The curriculum is a modified systems base curriculum that reminds me of Loma Linda's curriculum (it's also the same curriculum used at RVUCOM and UNTHSC/TCOM):

1st year is all systems emphasizing embryology, anatomy, physiology, and normal function with clinical vignettes.

2nd year is all systems repeated again but emphasizing pathology, pharmacology, and clinical assessment.

KCUMB also required bioethics and bioinformatics courses. In informatics course is supposed to help acclimate you to varying EMR systems i believe but I could be wrong about that.


Medical informatics course is/was about learning how to properly research information and to utilize reliable resources in order to do so. It is done in conjunction with our grand rounds presentations.

We learned nothing about EMRs in the "class." 🙂
 
Medical informatics course is/was about learning how to properly research information and to utilize reliable resources in order to do so. It is done in conjunction with our grand rounds presentations.

We learned nothing about EMRs in the "class." 🙂

Oh! Ok! Thanks for the clarification!! 🙂
 
You should find out how many changes KCUMB is in for because of the change in dean. They have RVUs former dean, and if the curriculum is changing that can be tumultuous...
 
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If you're military, KcUMB has a great military track honors option....they also have a global health honors option for 12 students every year. Dual degree opportunities include a masters in bioethics or a MBA. Board prep time is VERY generous. There's a lot of research opportunities honestly, primarily because they have a great working relationship with researchers at children's mercy and KU Med. Are there any specific things you're particularly interested in that one may provide but the other doesn't?
 
You should find out how many changes KCUMB is in for because of the change in dean. They have RVUs current dean, and if the curriculum is changing that can be tumultuous...

The new curriculum has been in place for class of 2018, and it's gone very smoothly. Any minor concerns were handled really well by faculty and administration I thought. I think future classes will have pretty smooth sailing
 
I still won't get honors, but if the doc wants a F'ing pie, I'll make a pie...

HAHAHA I honesty might attach this statement into my signature for how unique and hilarious I think it is.

OP I just saw this on DMU's clinical affairs page but student can rotate at Mayo Clinic - Mankato site in Minnesota which is actually really cool but I don't know if it's a year-long site. Many of the hospital affiliates DMU have are also affiliates with KCUMB.

It's really an even playing field with these two schools.

I also heard the anatomy lab at DMU is quite spectacular as well.
 
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HAHAHA I honesty might attach this statement into my signature for how unique and hilarious I think it is.

OP I just saw this on DMU's clinical affairs page but student can rotate at Mayo Clinic - Mankato site in Minnesota which is actually really cool but I don't know if it's a year-long site. Many of the hospital affiliates DMU have are also affiliates with KCUMB.

It's really an even playing field with these two schools.

I also heard the anatomy lab at DMU is quite spectacular as well.

Anatomy lab is the bomb at DMU. HD tv's at each dissection table with ipad connected and the lab manual and Netters pre-loaded for viewing. Pre-dissections are broadcast on each tv in hd.

Additionally our Iowa Simulation Lab and the Surgical Skill lab are amazing. I'm not sure how many schools DO or MD have a lab and a required course geared specifically for surgical skills and all that jazz.
 
Anatomy lab is the bomb at DMU. HD tv's at each dissection table with ipad connected and the lab manual and Netters pre-loaded for viewing. Pre-dissections are broadcast on each tv in hd.

Additionally our Iowa Simulation Lab and the Surgical Skill lab are amazing. I'm not sure how many schools DO or MD have a lab and a required course geared specifically for surgical skills and all that jazz.

That surgical lab sounds awesome! I don't think KCUMB has that. But we do have these special suits that are supposed to be for surgery. I think.
 
That surgical lab sounds awesome! I don't think KCUMB has that. But we do have these special suits that are supposed to be for surgery. I think.

Are you talking about the cut suits we're supposed to get by the end of the year?
 
Are you talking about the cut suits we're supposed to get by the end of the year?

Yeah I saw a video of it on KCUMB's website. Was that just a demonstration of one? They looked pretty neat but I do feel a bit bad for the user. Must be terribly hot in those suits.
 
HAHAHA I honesty might attach this statement into my signature for how unique and hilarious I think it is.

OP I just saw this on DMU's clinical affairs page but student can rotate at Mayo Clinic - Mankato site in Minnesota which is actually really cool but I don't know if it's a year-long site. Many of the hospital affiliates DMU have are also affiliates with KCUMB.

It's really an even playing field with these two schools.

I also heard the anatomy lab at DMU is quite spectacular as well.
Wow! This school is definitely on my radar now. Then again Mankato? You realize Mayo owns a ton of hospitals in southern Minnesota right (including places like Albert Lea, which is also a nice town). Still I'm sure they're all top notch.

If I had to pick between the two DMU seems to have a better facility. Then again I'm a pre-med who's never been to any D.O. school anywhere.
 
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I would look at this info myself

DMU
http://www.dmu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Residencies-by-specialty1.pdf
-Also, you can't transfer into or out of here because their curriculum isn't set up in the traditional manner (whatever that is). Notable if you're significant other is somewhere else and you might have plans.

Found less for Kansas City but here
http://www.kcumb.edu/academics/college-of-osteopathic-medicine/eras-residency/match-statistics/
and
http://www.kcumb.edu/academics/college-of-osteopathic-medicine/GME/programs/
I guess Family Medicine and General Surgery are huge here.

Depends on your personal choices,
 
I would look at this info myself

DMU
http://www.dmu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Residencies-by-specialty1.pdf
-Also, you can't transfer into or out of here because their curriculum isn't set up in the traditional manner (whatever that is). Notable if you're significant other is somewhere else and you might have plans.

Found less for Kansas City but here
http://www.kcumb.edu/academics/college-of-osteopathic-medicine/eras-residency/match-statistics/
and
http://www.kcumb.edu/academics/college-of-osteopathic-medicine/GME/programs/
I guess Family Medicine and General Surgery are huge here.

Depends on your personal choices,

FM match percentage for KUCMB is actually much smaller compared to other DO programs. KCUMB grads match in about every specialty every year.

DMU-COM does have some really nice buildings but that's a pretty shallow way to decided where to go to med school haha.
 
Both seem to be amazing schools! I haven't interviewed at either yet so can't really add anything that others haven't said already. Both are on my top 3 list: PCOM, DMU and KCUMB.
 
I would look at this info myself

DMU
http://www.dmu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Residencies-by-specialty1.pdf
-Also, you can't transfer into or out of here because their curriculum isn't set up in the traditional manner (whatever that is). Notable if you're significant other is somewhere else and you might have plans.

Found less for Kansas City but here
http://www.kcumb.edu/academics/college-of-osteopathic-medicine/eras-residency/match-statistics/
and
http://www.kcumb.edu/academics/college-of-osteopathic-medicine/GME/programs/
I guess Family Medicine and General Surgery are huge here.

Depends on your personal choices,

Transferring medical schools is almost impossible to do either way.
 
Is OP even still around?

If so, my advice is go where you feel the best fit. For me, it was clearly DMU. KCUMB is awesome as well. Just relax and be happy that you're going to an amazing school either way.

Thanks everyone for all your replies. Keep them coming. I'm most likely leaning more towards Des Moines. I realize both are excellent schools and I felt both have excellent facilities. I definitely liked the surrounding area in Des Moines more than Kansas City. Students at DMU absolutely love the school while students at KCUMB are having issues with the school and their new dean. Plus the Iowa Simulation lab is absolutely top notch.
 
The dean at KCUMB is really hard on the students. He pushes you to your limit and will make sure you get the best possible board scores you can achieve. The curriculum is very difficult and punishing at times, but it has been tried and proven to be a top-notch curriculum, bringing both of the previous schools' board scores (where he was previously dean) to top mean COMLEX step 1 score in the country. Two times, at two different schools. KCUMB also does NOT place an uncomfortably heavy emphasis on primary care / OMM. Going to KCUMB means you're going to work your butt off and you'll be pushed really hard, maybe even harder than a majority of other medical schools, MD or DO, but I think it is going to make me the most competitive applicant I can be in 4 years. That's why I'm choosing KCUMB. Also look into the new simulation lab planned to begin construction over the summer at KCUMB. With any luck, we'll be using the new sim lab during our second year.
 
Dr. Dubin is former military. There are things I love and respect about him, and there are things I don't always agree with. That said, he cares very much about the students he works with, and he pushes students to their limits because he wants them to succeed. Much like a tough love father... You need to be okay with a certain level of military-esque culture. If you're not, KCUMB won't likely be the right match.
 
Dr. Dubin is former military. There are things I love and respect about him, and there are things I don't always agree with. That said, he cares very much about the students he works with, and he pushes students to their limits because he wants them to succeed. Much like a tough love father... You need to be okay with a certain level of military-esque culture. If you're not, KCUMB won't likely be the right match.
Can you expand on this?
 
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You said that the new dean has a military like teaching style. What do you mean by this?
Nooooo, that's not what I said. I said 'culture' culture is not teaching style at all. It is the way the school is operated and how things are expected to be done/run...
 
I didn't know Dr. Dubin was ex-military. I thought it was just Dr. Hahn??? When was Dr. Dubin in the military?

EDIT: Sorry but totally made a mistake. Don't think Dr. Dubin had military experience. Perhaps the strictness is the Texan in him hehe.
 
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He's really not that strict guys lol....the culture is not intimidating AT ALL, in fact I've always felt it's been very collaborating and welcoming---and that's from someone who has southern ties. He wants people to reach their potential, but I don't think anyone thinks he is too harsh...most people are just confident he will bring out the best in them
 
are you choosing MSU over these two schools?
 
Can you expand on this?
Military atmosphere???:shrug: KCUMB seems to have good support for students despite the hard curriculum (Learning specialist...) but then again I was only on campus for a day...
 
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