ketones

[2010premed]

ketones can never be oxidized, correct?

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[sugaree]

ketones can never be oxidized, correct?

Incorrect. Need big guns. Will oxidize. KMnO4 or K2Cr2O7 w H2SO4 per eg.

 

[bullsfan1986]

You can. In addition to what Sugaree said, you would also be cleaving your entire molecule since you would have to break C-C bonds. I'm not really sure what the utility of oxidizing ketones would be unless you wanted to synthesize two different acids.

 

[Pons Asinorum]

Incorrect. Need big guns. Will oxidize. KMnO4 or K2Cr2O7 w H2SO4 per eg.

Where did you find that? Those can oxidize alcohols into ketones under some instances, but they can't oxidize a ketone into a carboxylic acid or a -COOH derivative. None of that is needed for the MCAT. Baeyer-Villiger is certainly not MCAT level organic knowledge.
2010premed - you are correct.

 

[bullsfan1986]

Pons,

You're wrong. You may not need to know that information for the MCAT, but you can most definitely oxidize ketones (given that you have a powerful oxidizing agent/H2SO4 (or just conc. HNO3) like Sugaree said) in to a mixture of carboxylic acids.

 

[sugaree]

Where did you find that? Those can oxidize alcohols into ketones under some instances, but they can't oxidize a ketone into a carboxylic acid or a -COOH derivative. None of that is needed for the MCAT. Baeyer-Villiger is certainly not MCAT level organic knowledge.
2010premed - you are correct.

Fine. But you can oxidize a ketone with the oxidizers I listed. Don't remember if it is on the MCAT.

 

[Pons Asinorum]

Fine. But you can oxidize a ketone with the oxidizers I listed. Don't remember if it is on the MCAT.

Meh. We'll all just have to agree to disagree. Those oxidizers will oxidize an aldehyde. Not a ketone. It's not important on the MCAT, regardless.

 

[chemtopper]

Meh. We'll all just have to agree to disagree. Those oxidizers will oxidize an aldehyde. Not a ketone. It's not important on the MCAT, regardless.

ketones can be oxidized in the presence of heat and concKMnO4/K2Cr2O7 on prolonged heating which results in bond cleavage.This is the true story and under normal conditions ketones will not undergo oxidation.

 

[sugaree]

ketones can be oxidized in the presence of heat and concKMnO4/K2Cr2O7 on prolonged heating which results in bond cleavage.This is the true story and under normal conditions ketones will not undergo oxidation.

thank you. its actually KMnO4/H2SO4 or K2CrO7/H2SO4.