Kirby - Game Thread

[PippyPony]

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Maybe that's not Pippy's M.O. But I think she could be quite good at this particular thing if she believes in herself and gives it a shot.

Stop it I might cry

 

[samac]

Quick legacy just in case I get hammered before the cap lifts:

Zenge
Pippy
samac
Boquise
mighty
genny
Nate
mothy
Wilgy
Dina
moonster
mayo

It will anger me if we hammer

 

[PippyPony]

It will anger me if we hammer

Oh but hammers are fun if they are timed well 😈

 

[Dinashadow]

In the post you quoted to say this, DrWilgy answered this. It seems like you're ignoring him outright. What about what he said?

Because they have team equity doesn't necessarily mean I have a more firm sr on them.

I do think Pippy and Moth are the two most suspicious players as it stands. Mighty is behind, Dina is only on there via association to those who I find scummy. Why would I act upon a possibility that I do not know as a truth, when current suspicions would lead me to better knowing that truth.

You mean this one?

I don't remember him ever explaining why I'm associated to moth, I understand the pippy association, but he also just throws mighty to me too because I commented on mighty's first post, it just seems like this whole thing was centered around me

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I wanted to like Dina's reads list posts just as a thank you for posting them, and I accidentally liked Zenge calling me a wolf again.

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I have one or two posts left. Ask questions if you have them, but responses will have to come in wall(s).

 

[Dinashadow]

I wanted to like Dina's reads list posts just as a thank you for posting them, and I accidentally liked Zenge calling me a wolf again.

Boycotting reacts! Boycott! Picket line forms here!

I have one or two posts left. Ask questions if you have them, but responses will have to come in wall(s).

I just want to say I appreciate you helping me keep my message:reaction score stable

 

[PippyPony]

I wanted to like Dina's reads list posts just as a thank you for posting them, and I accidentally liked Zenge calling me a wolf again.

Didn't you even tell him earlier today that additional "JJJ is sus" posts are redundant?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 2 Yeet Tally
Wilgy (3) - Pippy 44, Dina 35, samac 79
Boq () -
Dina (2) - Boq 66, Wilgy 45
mighty () -
JJJ (4) - mighty 25, Zenge 19, mayo 39, moth 20
moon (1) - JJJ 120
mayo (2) - Nate 53, moon 35

12/13
yeet close in ~3 hours

 

[holdthemayo]

I think this is where my gut is at now (tiers alphabetical, not ranked) (also tiers may imply a greater level of separation than there is):

Boq
JJJ
Nate
Zenge

genny
Pippy
samac

Dina
mayo (originally in a lower tier alone, but that felt too severe, even though I'm voting him)
mighty
moth
Wilgy

I know Zenge is super-cleared for some (most?) people based on Dubz sus/wagoning, but without re-reading or seeing a clear case I'm just not quite that confident. And IDK that I could explain all these placements satisfactorily (even to myself). Things could move around as people come back into the thread, too.

I've had a really hard time tracking moonshine's character arc.

I could nitpick other things, like somehow not having Zenge at the top (and pippy for that matter).

The thing that pings me the most on it is how much you moon has flip flopped on the extremes of the list.

They had JJJ as a strong village read when they voted for me
Then they voted with me against JJJ
JJJ's read was wrong and they started the day saying that this somehow vindicated him
now they're back to voting with him against me

Like, reads change, but usually not the very top and very bottom flip flopping multiple times in less than two days.

 

[DrWilgy]

You mean this one?

I don't remember him ever explaining why I'm associated to moth, I understand the pippy association, but he also just throws mighty to me too because I commented on mighty's first post, it just seems like this whole thing was centered around me

Aye, if it was centered around you I'd have tried harder to flip you. Again, you are choosing to ignore that I didn't suspect you as much as the others I mentioned.

Level 1 was made by thinking well Moth is wolf, are there any combinations of players that could fit with Moth?

Again: associations with Mighty: From my notes: "#314 Dina pockets Zenge, Samac, JJJ, null notes MightyRunner" In that post you went out of your way to note a null on Mighty and it felt out of place, and that created a 2 person pair of you and Mighty.

Then the level 1 (and again, level 1 is small brain, not much think) in seeing a 2 player pair that could also be on a team with Moth was made.

If Pippy is a wolf this could be w/w tbh

This was what was seen that tied you to Pippy, thus creating lv2 as I had then seen how multiple players could be aligned here. There was nothing negating Pippy/Mighty in the moment and Pippy/Dina made sense and Pippy/Mighty made sense.

I don't really see what's so hard about this to follow.

 

[holdthemayo]

I wanted to like Dina's reads list posts just as a thank you for posting them, and I accidentally liked Zenge calling me a wolf again.

Boycotting reacts! Boycott! Picket line forms here!

I have one or two posts left. Ask questions if you have them, but responses will have to come in wall(s).

Do I get a homework assignment?

 

[NateTheLesser]

His posts feel genuine. Like I see in his content genuine effort at solving. He’s not making pushes based on phony stuff like I’ve seen him do before.

The way he talked about Dubz + Jay was genuine, and if I’m right about Jay, no way he made the posts he did at the time he did as a packmate.

What do his phony pushes look like?

I'm trying to get my head around why I'm seeing his content so differently. His entire Dubz wolfread was that Dubz had called him a wolf in the GTH thing and should have known better. And this was when Dubz already had 7 votes so the writing was on the wall.

 

[NateTheLesser]

I ask other people about my tunnels a lot because it tends to be the best way to get out of them.

 

[holdthemayo]

I've had a really hard time tracking moonshine's character arc.

I could nitpick other things, like somehow not having Zenge at the top (and pippy for that matter).

The thing that pings me the most on it is how much you moon has flip flopped on the extremes of the list.

They had JJJ as a strong village read when they voted for me
Then they voted with me against JJJ
JJJ's read was wrong and they started the day saying that this somehow vindicated him
now they're back to voting with him against me

Like, reads change, but usually not the very top and very bottom flip flopping multiple times in less than two days.

Edit* while JJJ left the vote on me to vote moon.

Weird dynamic

 

[DrWilgy]

I get put in both lv 1 & 2 solves, but DrW votes for pippy

I'm gonna quote this one again, because this feels icky.

Voting Pippy was quite literally the first thing I did. Why are you presenting it as if I voted Pippy after putting you in my solves?

 

[Dinashadow]

Do I get a homework assignment?

silly mayo, kids in the POE don't get homework, we're just delinquent school drop outs

 

[DrWilgy]

Also Jay slowly moving me down as I gain more traction is exactly what I'd expect of W JJJ which is kinda funny.

 

[mightyrunner7]

I wanted to like Dina's reads list posts just as a thank you for posting them, and I accidentally liked Zenge calling me a wolf again.

Boycotting reacts! Boycott! Picket line forms here!

I have one or two posts left. Ask questions if you have them, but responses will have to come in wall(s).

I love how this was your top priority for your 3rd to last post.

I would ask how you viewed Nate's vote analysis. You previously stated that you don't put any value to it, has that changed once you saw the data?

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I town lean her based on familiarity, and not seeing anything so far that concerns me that much. Not a lock, but I'm not worried about it today.

How do you interpret the progression of her read on me? To summarize, this is what I think I have seen:

- Townish early day 1
- "trending down" late day 1
- votes for me to end day 1
- calls me town who could have been night killed start of day 2 (later acknowledges a misunderstanding of EOD1 events)
- examines that read in response to numerous questions in a nully kind of way
- retains strong town read

I struggle to reconcile this.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Also Jay slowly moving me down as I gain more traction is exactly what I'd expect of W JJJ which is kinda funny.

Without your Dubz vote I probably town read you outright. I do think you have looked town at face value. I just have to acknowledge that my rationale is limited and not particularly strong, and I just played a game and placed a bus vote similar to yours (albeit with slightly less "chaos mode").

If you're town, please express why you believe I should see that in you. When I am gone there's a good chance people will care about my read on you, because I'm the only one that knows you.

3 posts remaining

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Do I get a homework assignment?

Your homework assignment is to prove that your push against Dubz and I (specifically with the AND) was not utterly fake and opportunistic. If you'd like an additional assignment that is less hostile, your extra credit assignment is to make it much clearer than it is right now how you read each of the SDN regulars in the game (really everyone not named me).

silly mayo, kids in the POE don't get homework, we're just delinquent school drop outs

Your homework assignment is to do the best you can to meet the post minimum, and I know you will for our good hosts, because I realize you have your own business to deal with and don't need my homework.

I love how this was your top priority for your 3rd to last post.

I would ask how you viewed Nate's vote analysis. You previously stated that you don't put any value to it, has that changed once you saw the data?

The existence of the vote compilation and analysis is NAI for Nate. However, despite my misgivings about VCA as a hunting method, I actually number Nate among the absolute best in the business at that very task. He applies a sort of nuance and detail to the process that nearly nobody else bothers with, and I have seen him bear fruit with it. So I don't object, and I think he seemed authentic in his expression of that analysis. I recognize the potential for bias because his conclusions largely aligned with my reads, but I liked it.

2 posts remaining

 

[DrWilgy]

Without your Dubz vote I probably town read you outright. I do think you have looked town at face value. I just have to acknowledge that my rationale is limited and not particularly strong, and I just played a game and placed a bus vote similar to yours (albeit with slightly less "chaos mode").

If you're town, please express why you believe I should see that in you. When I am gone there's a good chance people will care about my read on you, because I'm the only one that knows you.

3 posts remaining

This just makes it make less sense to me.

You of all people know that I place votes to observe what happens around them. I created a tie between Mayo and Dubz to see what would happen. At the end of the day I saw Samac had stated that the Dubz wagon was not without resistance and thus I realized I was correct to keep my vote there.

What in your repertoire of Wilgy knowledge makes that wolf leaning?

 

[holdthemayo]

How do you interpret the progression of her read on me? To summarize, this is what I think I have seen:

- Townish early day 1
- "trending down" late day 1
- votes for me to end day 1
- calls me town who could have been night killed start of day 2 (later acknowledges a misunderstanding of EOD1 events)
- examines that read in response to numerous questions in a nully kind of way
- retains strong town read

I struggle to reconcile this.

I just read this same idea somewhere...

 

[Dinashadow]

Aye, if it was centered around you I'd have tried harder to flip you. Again, you are choosing to ignore that I didn't suspect you as much as the others I mentioned.

Level 1 was made by thinking well Moth is wolf, are there any combinations of players that could fit with Moth?

Again: associations with Mighty: From my notes: "#314 Dina pockets Zenge, Samac, JJJ, null notes MightyRunner" In that post you went out of your way to note a null on Mighty and it felt out of place, and that created a 2 person pair of you and Mighty.

Then the level 1 (and again, level 1 is small brain, not much think) in seeing a 2 player pair that could also be on a team with Moth was made.


This was what was seen that tied you to Pippy, thus creating lv2 as I had then seen how multiple players could be aligned here. There was nothing negating Pippy/Mighty in the moment and Pippy/Dina made sense and Pippy/Mighty made sense.

I don't really see what's so hard about this to follow.

I think we're going to keep going around in circles about this, but I appreciate you explaining it in more detail. Overall, it doesn't negate how I feel about you and your dubz vote

 

[kaydubs]

oooooh homework assignments!? One for me please!

 

[DrWilgy]

Also Jay, you moving me down in your reads is exactly what happened in Kid's Birthday as you were pivoting towards my misyeet, so I hope you understand why I'd point it out.

 

[Dinashadow]

I'm gonna quote this one again, because this feels icky.

Voting Pippy was quite literally the first thing I did. Why are you presenting it as if I voted Pippy after putting you in my solves?

Not my intention, I was just trying to say you were on pippy's vote, fingies move faster than brain

 

[PippyPony]

@PippyPony your homework starting in Day 3 will be to return to the previous portions of the thread to specifically assess the way people developed their reads on me and/or how they justified voting for me (or suspecting me). You will know then that it was bunk, and I believe you will be well-suited to turning a critical eye on the consensus here and figuring out where the BS lies.

Side note: I am really surprised that you think I'm going to be around to do homework assignments. I would def kill me if I were me.

 

[samac]

What do his phony pushes look like?

I'm trying to get my head around why I'm seeing his content so differently. His entire Dubz wolfread was that Dubz had called him a wolf in the GTH thing and should have known better. And this was when Dubz already had 7 votes so the writing was on the wall.

I don’t really want to say because I’m afraid it’ll give away how I read him and he’ll blindside me next time lol

 

[moonstermash]

Day 2 Yeet Tally
Wilgy (3) - Pippy 44, Dina 35, samac 79
Boq () -
Dina (2) - Boq 66, Wilgy 45
mighty () -
JJJ (4) - mighty 25, Zenge 19, mayo 39, moth 20
moon (1) - JJJ 120
mayo (2) - Nate 53, moon 35

12/13
yeet close in ~3 hours

@JaggedJimmyJay Your homework was for Nate and I to find each other, but you don't trust Nate's town lean on me today - why? How are other people supposed to trust our reads of each other if you flip town and wouldn't? I'll grant that I'm more middle-of-the road for Nate than he is for me, but none of the posts below moved the needle for you?

Spoiler: Nate's recent reads on me

I think my rough ranking at this point is something like this, not entirely ordered:
Zenge
Pippy
samac
mothy
Boq
moonster
JJJ
Dina
Wilgy
genny
mighty
mayo

Dina/moonster I can't really clear, though I town lean moonster more than Dina. Partly on gut vibes, it didn't seem like moonster was working with TMI about how Dubz would flip.

I used to keep more track, but I stopped at some point. But yeah, we've played a lot, and I don't think I've seen you wolf beyond the game I was running (maybe as a spectator). You're definitely not a noob and I haven't totally followed your thought process here at all points, but one thing I think people should keep in mind is that our homesite isn't forum based and this is a really different vibe and activity level (especially with basically all new people). So. At this point I'm just not really worrying too much about any "off" points, because I think I'll have a better read as the game goes on.

I town lean her based on familiarity, and not seeing anything so far that concerns me that much. Not a lock, but I'm not worried about it today.

Also, why not try to self-pres and vote someone who already has votes?

 

[holdthemayo]

oooooh homework assignments!? One for me please!

Your homework assignment is to mod kill a wolf pls

 

[supershorty]

oooooh homework assignments!? One for me please!

yay I want homework too

 

[Dinashadow]

yay I want homework too

shorty pls

 

[moonstermash]

explain why I and JJJ are top town

(Not ignoring this post, just want to gather my thoughts.)

 

[samac]

Side note: I am really surprised that you think I'm going to be around to do homework assignments. I would def kill me if I were me.

Fair point. So would I.

 

[samac]

For the record I kinda wanna move to JJJ but I’m not going to get in hammering distance so I’m going to sit right here on the person he might be having some wolf theater with right now.

 

[PippyPony]

Fair point. So would I.

SAVAGE SAMAC

I tried to mash those together and couldn't make it work. Savamac? Sammage? Sammich?

 

[NateTheLesser]

Side note: I am really surprised that you think I'm going to be around to do homework assignments. I would def kill me if I were me.

.... you are you

 

[PippyPony]

.... you are you

Yes but currently I do not possess big canine teeth

 

[samac]

SAVAGE SAMAC

I tried to mash those together and couldn't make it work. Savamac? Sammage? Sammich?

ITS A COMPLIMENT

 

[Zenge142]

yeet Wigley

No. Wigley is town. Also isn’t it Wilgy?

Anyway, I’m willing to give Jay the cycle and re-evaluate.

For now
Unyeet Jay
Yeet Dina

 

[Zenge142]

I also think Boq is likely town. Their analysis is solid.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This just makes it make less sense to me.

You of all people know that I place votes to observe what happens around them. I created a tie between Mayo and Dubz to see what would happen. At the end of the day I saw Samac had stated that the Dubz wagon was not without resistance and thus I realized I was correct to keep my vote there.

What in your repertoire of Wilgy knowledge makes that wolf leaning?

It's not a meta read. It's about the timing of the vote and the support you had to place it (or lack of it). I know you're capable of placing wacky votes as town, but it doesn't make you town. If Dubz was bussed, your vote fits the theory. It just does. It doesn't have to mean you're evil, and I have said that I don't think you seem evil. But I have more confident reasons to call everyone I colored green town than I have to call you town.

I would absolutely love to call you town, because the POE would be even tighter (or I'd have room to drop someone else). But please understand that I am not concerned with your read on me. I just don't care right now. I am calling it like I see it.

I just read this same idea somewhere...

It's something I have said on a few occasions today. I figure you should be reading my posts if anyone is, given that I am one of your few clear reads.

@JaggedJimmyJay Your homework was for Nate and I to find each other, but you don't trust Nate's town lean on me today - why? How are other people supposed to trust our reads of each other if you flip town and wouldn't? I'll grant that I'm more middle-of-the road for Nate than he is for me, but none of the posts below moved the needle for you?

Also, why not try to self-pres and vote someone who already has votes?

I just asked Nate for his perspective about my biggest question about you, and I will certainly take that into consideration (as I am taking his general read). His endorsement of you isn't exactly ringing though, so it is difficult for me to take that and say "okay, I am definitely not voting for moonster".

Self-preservation is irrelevant right now.

oooooh homework assignments!? One for me please!

Your homework assignment is to continue being an absolute slam dunk human being. For extra credit, you may give yourself a pat on the back. 👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌

Also Jay, you moving me down in your reads is exactly what happened in Kid's Birthday as you were pivoting towards my misyeet, so I hope you understand why I'd point it out.

I understand. You'll find out soon, I figure, that this is not alignment indicative.

One post remaining

 

[PippyPony]

I did not see this coming

 

[samac]

No. Wigley is town. Also isn’t it Wilgy?

Anyway, I’m willing to give Jay the cycle and re-evaluate.

For now
Unyeet Jay
Yeet Dina

Dina over Jay?

 

[supershorty]

AM gave me homework and now she has Ragerts™ but no takesies-backsies on assignments, so when y'all hear screaming in a little bit, it's because my handwriting deeply upsets her.

 

[Zenge142]

Dina over Jay?

PSV was very adamant about Jay being village and I just… I’d never hear the end of it if I just blatantly ignored that.

But also PSV’s points defending Jay weren’t invalid. They were decent. I think her read on Jay should carry decent weight and it’s worth evaluating further…outside my tunnel for weak reasoning.

It makes me nervous because if Jay is a wolf I think it’ll be a harder push down the road but that’s not a reason to yeet Jay today.

 

[samac]

But Dina’s AtE hit me right in the soul and made me move
And then you moved on
And then
ZENGES

 

[Zenge142]

I did not see this coming

I like to keep people on their toes 😉

 

[samac]

PSV was very adamant about Jay being village and I just… I’d never hear the end of it if I just blatantly ignored that.

But also PSV’s points defending Jay weren’t invalid. They were decent. I think her read on Jay should carry decent weight and it’s worth evaluating further…outside my tunnel for weak reasoning.

It makes me nervous because if Jay is a wolf I think it’ll be a harder push down the road but that’s not a reason to yeet Jay today.

So what made you go back at look at PSV’s reasoning?
And what about the whole vote dubz cause packmate thing