Kirby - Game Thread

[DrWilgy]

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I had a dream where I ate Taco Bell in a night club with President and Dr. Biden. Anyone want to interpret that for me?

You've been eating far too many Doritos locos tacos.

 

[DrWilgy]

If there’s a misclear we probably need to reassess Pippy.

Who's in the list of clear compared to not clear?

 

[DrWilgy]

My motivation has just been absolutely drained by work this cycle. Bah.

Makes me want to lazy boy and just chop PoR till we inevitably win.

 

[moonstermash]

You've been eating far too many Doritos locos tacos.

I wish. I have too many food issues to safely eat Doritos anymore, much less that delicious monstrosity.

 

[PippyPony]

JJJ is now lock clear by the way.

Wolf inside Moon, Mighty, or, just to brush my own ego, Pippy.

Wat

 

[PippyPony]

D1 I said that Dina/Pippy could be w/w for a post. If Pippy ends up being a wolf, I am basically God

Alas, you are mortal like the rest of us, despite your amazing posts the last 2 pages

I don’t agree with that gambit.

I think if anyone the waffle would have landed on Mayo (had he not been Dr.)

I don't know if the wolves would have known that, though. There's a lot of panic in those final moments if a wolf is going down, and chaos from a claim that they knew would be counter-claimed could land almost anywhere. If the other wolf went down in the madness, then Dina was 100% toast anyways the next cycle, so it wasn't just like, swapping out one dead wolf for another one.

Noted…

I think you’re looking at it all wrong.

I am Dina. I’m going down. We know the set up. We know that there’s a doctor and we need 5+ misyeets still. (BRUTAL) we need to kill Samac and Zenge, but it’s risky because we can’t predict who the doctor will protect.

If I’m Dina, about to Die, I can claim doctor. If the real doctor counter claims, our biggest threat is removed from the equation.

If doctor isn’t around to counter claim then village waffles onto someone else

Possibly a packmate, sure, but then possibly not, and we were going to lose a wolf anyway regardless.

I think forcing out the doctor is preferred there

I agree with this though

Analyze

Town Odd Night Tracker
Town Even Night Vanilla Cop
Town 2x Doctor
9 Vanilla Townies

Mafia 2x Watcher?
Mafia Blocker?
Mafia Goon?

Track

Town Odd Night Tracker
Town 2x Doctor
10 Vanilla Townies

Mafia 1x Tracker?
2 Mafia Goons?

These are the possible setups. FWIW, I don't think of doctor as being a particularly strong PR, in any setup (I know, I've been one... made 0 saves and lost), and in these setups, trading scum for a doctor doesn't seem particularly worth it to me? Like, in Track, you've turned the tracker into a cop, and in Analzye, there are still two other, stronger PRs. Granted I don't know the meta here, and maybe I have an unconventional view anyway, but honestly if I was Dina I would have gone down quietly. Obviously that's not what happened, and my guess is the wolves were hoping for no counterclaim, but oof. Tough row for the last wolf to hoe. You have my sympathies - I've been the last wolf backed into a corner, and it sucks.

I disagree with the doctor being a weak role in a setup, particularly an open one. They can carry a cleared villager at least 2 cycles by just being present in the minds of wolves who don't want to risk a failed kill.

 

[PippyPony]

they still dont wanna risk JJJ get offed.
and given the players alive, it is an absolute risk that someone in Mayo's thread position is a PR. It is why I defended them through the game.

Can you elaborate on this? Just for my own learning purposes

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm boarding a plane and will be in the air for hammer o'clock, but I just wanted to offer the following:

It seems the sus against me boils down to process of elimination or a smoking gun post. If you yeet me because of "everyone else is more village," I get it, it will be a necessary misyeet to move forward with gamesolving. However, I will strongly disagree with the smoking gun rationale.

At that point, it was clear that a wave was moving toward Dina. I can see only three reasons why I would make that post in the current threadstate:

1. Village mighty was short of 40 posts and was trying to find something to contribute regarding the two leading yeet candidates.

2. Village mighty was trying to provide a lifeline to his wife, who had been too busy to really contribute much so far

3. Wolf mighty took the pin off a grenade and hugged it to his chest.

The only other person in this game who actually knew Dina's alignment was her packmate. Why would wolf mighty make such an pointless comment when her head was on the chopping block? Wolf mighty would always stay quiet and keep on the "safe" read (JJJ is sus).

I find myself wondering if this is just a loud expression of caught for the wrong reasons.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 3 Yeet Tally
moon (3) - genny 25, samac 79, mighty 17
mighty (2) - Wilgy 12, Zenge 36
moth () -
samac () -
JJJ (1) - JJJ 76

6/11
yeet close in ~10 hours

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I’m torn on a number of things, and if all else fails I may just follow Zenge. His instincts have been true.

 

[PippyPony]

Seeing moon's recap of last night makes me sad I missed it.

[*]Dina responds to JJJ and claims a Pippy save

[*]Dina saved Pippy out of friendship/absence from games

Because I would have called attention to this:

I do remember you becoming my personal champion at some point when YOU were wolfing, fwiw.

^was said to Dina after she hit the thread and put me in village immediately

 

[Boquise]

Can you elaborate on this? Just for my own learning purposes

Players who rand PR usually play "like wolves", as in, PR town usually seems scummy to other players. Thats because they for one get nervous about being PR (if they are new players) and don't really know what to do in the thread, and for two, do not want to be targeted by the NK. They want to live inside the bottom poe, but not like the bottom of the bottom so they dont have to claim.

I PR read Mayo and stated to JJJ back during D1 or early D2 it is because of his thread position (among other reasons). I did not want to spell out a PR read tho because that could give it away to wolves.

 

[moonstermash]

Vote mighty

 

[Boquise]

mtg night with the lads got cancelled...

 

[Boquise]

means i can play here earlier tho!

 

[supershorty]

mtg night

Magic the gathering?

 

[moonstermash]

Gotta maintain that tie, and now that I know where the votes are I'm not worried about hammers.

Vote mighty

 

[NateTheLesser]

Anything in particular? I'm currently at work and monitoring thread, so I can answer simple questions, but won't be able to dive into analysis until later

No, just want to see where your head's at when you have a chance to catch up.

 

[PippyPony]

Massive spoiler below with all vote data colorized for review purposes:

My phone had a heart attack trying to read this.

My main takeaway before my phone said NO is that Nate can't be a wolf. No way Dubz ties up the vote at that point by voting on a wolf when a villager is available.

 

[PippyPony]

I would like to urge all members of the town faction to hit the posting minimum today, just in case. I hope I don't sound patronizing. I just know that the one thing that can turn this dominant lead belly up is a pile of modkills.

I'm trying, I promise

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

We should probably still hammer, just late in the phase. It’d negate the post minimum and spare game integrity.

 

[DrWilgy]

He is Wilgy, slayer of phone browsers. His sword is the spoiler tag.

 

[DrWilgy]

We should probably still hammer, just late in the phase. It’d negate the post minimum and spare game integrity.

plz hammer me

 

[PippyPony]

There’s so much chaos in these Mothy posts it’s gotta be 2W2🐝W, right?

I don't even know what's going on, and I thought I was the sickie

 

[PippyPony]

Let’s talk about fettuccine alfredo. For an entire page.

It's my favorite pasta

 

[PippyPony]

RNG sure doesn't. It gave this noob her first PR and she didn't even know what to do with it.

That's how you learn!

 

[PippyPony]

i don't believe i've voted for a wolf yet this game.

Tbf we've only had 2 vote cycles

 

[PippyPony]

The only real clears right now are Zenge and Samac

How are you coming to this conclusion?

 

[motheatenlysis]

I don't even know what's going on, and I thought I was the sickie

Tbf norovirus SUCKS. I’m finally feeling better-ish today (mostly cuz my throat stopped hurting/spasming and I could lay down last night)…but now I’ve moved on to buckets of snot

 

[PippyPony]

Players who rand PR usually play "like wolves", as in, PR town usually seems scummy to other players. Thats because they for one get nervous about being PR (if they are new players) and don't really know what to do in the thread, and for two, do not want to be targeted by the NK. They want to live inside the bottom poe, but not like the bottom of the bottom so they dont have to claim.

I PR read Mayo and stated to JJJ back during D1 or early D2 it is because of his thread position (among other reasons). I did not want to spell out a PR read tho because that could give it away to wolves.

I guess I was more wondering how specifically you think he was doing that, speaking as someone who sits in the poe all the time and usually has a mayonnaise buddy down there with me 😅

 

[PippyPony]

Tbf norovirus SUCKS. I’m finally feeling better-ish today (mostly cuz my throat stopped hurting/spasming and I could lay down last night)…but now I’ve moved on to buckets of snot

Adenovirus also sucks. I had it in January, didn't get better, and ended up with pneumonia at the end of March. Best of luck to you 🍀🤞

 

[PippyPony]

******Momentary self-yeet******

Just so I can see my post tally -- unless this is something I can ask for in role PM?

The bold button isn't working for me right now...?

 

[PippyPony]

Never mind, I thought I was one of the only ones below min, but I see we're almost all in the same boat, so I care less

******Unyeet self*******

Felt sacrilege anyways

 

[DrWilgy]

The only real clears right now are Zenge and Samac

Just to chime in as Pippy quoted this earlier.

Excuse you?

 

[PippyPony]

Just to chime in as Pippy quoted this earlier.

Excuse you?

I don't think I posted this before but my other takeaway from the vote tallies is that you are hard cleared in my mind

 

[supershorty]

@PippyPony you might be in BB code mode. Click the 3 vertical dots on the right side of the reply box and then click the brackets in the menu it gives you, see if that solves your bolding issue.

 

[PippyPony]

@PippyPony you might be in BB code mode. Click the 3 vertical dots on the right side of the reply box and then click the brackets in the menu it gives you, see if that solves your bolding issue.

That was it.

How long have I been a member of this site?

 

[PippyPony]

I don't think I posted this before but my other takeaway from the vote tallies is that you are hard cleared in my mind

Follow up to say *unless you are a suicidal busser, but that would be a pretty bold strat and I don't think the other wolves would have gone along with it, knowing them.

So I think I am just sad to leave my retaliatory tunnel from you snap voting me D1

 

[genny]

Tbf we've only had 2 vote cycles

I don’t mean ending on a wolf, I mean just voting for one at all lol

 

[PippyPony]

@Zenge142 what made you move onto Dubz D1?

Just curious

 

[genny]

Quote that show how wrong I am about moon:

Interesting how the moth wagon wagon shrunk and now mayo is tied with Pippy. The movement on/around Pippy's wagon suggests she's town to me, but that's probably a level 1 read.

I don’t think it’s normal wolf strategy to undermine the yeet your packmate is leading.

I'll save you, Nate (and Pippy)!

Unvote moth
Vote mayo

I don’t think a wolf makes this vote. Assuming Nate is also village, this is just breaking a 3 way tie to save a friend + a packmate’s pushed yeet

Okay, but next time please ask nicely. I can pull some quotes from mayo and JJJ. Not sure I have more to say about the WildZoo stuff; I mostly just have feelings and didn't necessarily have anything specific in mind (other than "wow, 7 votes is a lot!").

Why not take a stance here as a wolf? Either agree with the village and try to weasel a little more into the village core, or go all out and try to save Dubz by village reading her/putting doubt into village. Can always play poor fooled villager later.

We should probably all be voting mighty today.

 

[genny]

I’m at a lake for lunch, eating in my car because there’s not much shade and I go from alabaster to lobster in under 5 minutes. And the dork in the car next to me has his windows rolled up, AC on, engine running. Just roll down the windows and enjoy the breeze!

Spoiler: The view

 

[PippyPony]

We should probably all be voting mighty today.

That's where my vote is going but I'm not going to hammer until later

 

[Boquise]

I guess I was more wondering how specifically you think he was doing that, speaking as someone who sits in the poe all the time and usually has a mayonnaise buddy down there with me 😅

oh well i could have just gone lucky since i have never played with you guys before
since i have played my fair share of champ games, i have started to focus on LHF and try to get a read. Mayo gave off PR vibes, like how he kept **** posting despite being pushed. But maybe that is just mayo stuff. Sometimes you are right for the wrong reasons tbh!

 

[Boquise]

i kinda wanted to lay low after i took over the thread at sod. I wanted to see if Moon would step up after focus shifted on Mighty and let her breathe, but she kinda havent. I am conflicted on who of them I think is the final wolf tbh

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Who's in the list of clear compared to not clear?

Clear: Zenge, samac, Pippy, Boquise, DrWilgy, mothy

Not: Nate, genny, moonster, mighty

This would be nice if correct, since it'd leave enough room for my haters to include me among the "Not" pile without screwing up the winning numbers.

 

[Zenge142]

Boquise, DrWilgy

I mean I don’t think they’re wolfing.

But why are you clearing them?

 

[Boquise]

btw if we dont get the wolf tonight and i die for some reason, let it be known that Zenge made himself even clearer today.
When I began tinfoiling Genny, instead of elevating that paranoia by agreeing (so to expand the poe), he immediately brought it down.

If the final wolf is not within Genny, Moon and Mighty, then they would really really want to move the yeet away from Mighty/Moon today and make it happen on someone else

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Quick exercise to assess the validity/strength of town reads:

Cleared by treatment OF mafia: Zenge (Dubz and Dina), Boquise (Dubz and Dina), samac (Dina), DrWilgy (Dina)
Cleared by treatment BY mafia: Boquise (Dubz and Dina), samac (Dubz), DrWilgy (Dina), Pippy (Dubz), Nate (Dubz)
Cleared by behavior: Zenge, samac, mothy, Nate, Boquise, DrWilgy, genny
Not cleared: moonster, mighty

The word "cleared" here should not be taken literally. Call it "town credit". This might confuse others. I am just thinking out loud. Pippy is my "tinfoil" option just given that she shows up in only one of the top three lines for me. I wouldn't vote her today or tomorrow, just something to be mindful of. Perhaps someone else has better reason to clear her than this, and that'd be great.

I mean I don’t think they’re wolfing.

But why are you clearing them?

Dina gave them both treatment that I don't think looks paired. Primarily, they did things that may conventionally be viewed as "weird" (Wilgy's wild Dubz vote, and Boq's turbulence about Dubz) and poked at them for it to discourage their credit.

 

[Boquise]

yeah Wilgy is spewed town tbh